Shades of the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire of March 25, 1911 (33)
And your point is?????????????
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Not having your workers burn to death in a fire involves paying more for things in the shops. However, avoiding having to do this is the reason we import so much in the first place.
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Is there a point to be made in this thread?? I'm confused.
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Rumple4skin: Not having your workers burn to death in a fire involves paying more for things in the shops. However, avoiding having to do this is the reason we import so much in the first place.
Dooby asks us to compare two stories, I can't see any relation between the two
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tomcatwarne: Dooby asks us to compare two stories, I can't see any relation between the two
To me it points out how we're avoiding basic standards of common decency and shows how society is no more progressive or decent than it was 100 years ago.
In fact, the only real difference is that today there are more of repsonsible for this and more of us that are indifferent to the blood on our hands.
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tomcatwarne: Dooby asks us to compare two stories, I can't see any relation between the two
I don't even see the story within the link.
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ooby_dooby: HONG KONG--A fire engulfed a garment factory in Bangladesh that manufactured garments for Li & Fung Ltd. killing at least 120 workers and raising concerns about working conditions at plants that manufacture goods for the Hong Kong-based sourcing giant. The incident deals another blow to Li & Fung, which is the buying agent for a variety of goods, including toys and clothes, for retailers such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT) and Target Corp. (TGT). Li & Fung has been struggling to maintain earnings growth amid the growing trend for retailers to buy more of its products directly from factories instead of sourcing their products from middlemen. A sluggish global economy and price competition are putting pressure on the world's middlemen. Wal-Mart Stores Inc. has canceled much of a deal in which Hong Kong's Li & Fung Ltd. would supply goods for the U.S.-based retailer's overseas stores, people close to the companies said in September, as Wal-Mart moves to buy more of its products directly from factories. Other Li & Fung clients, including baby-clothes maker Carter's Inc. (CRI) and Gymboree Corp., also have said they plan to buy more products directly from factories.
The fire swept through an eight-story garment factory near Bangladesh's capital, Dhaka, police and fire department officials said. The blaze broke out at the Tazreen Fashion building in the Ashulia industrial area, 15 miles north of Dhaka, on Saturday night. Locals said panic-stricken garments workers jumped from windows as the fire spread and reported seeing charred bodies being brought out from the blackened building. Some workers claimed the building's fire escape route was blocked and guards had failed to open the main gate after smoke engulfed the building. This is the latest in a series of deadly accidents at Bangladeshi clothing factories in recent years. Garments workers, who sew clothes for some of the biggest U.S. and European brands, have been demanding better pay and working conditions. The factory is owned by Tazreen Fashion Ltd., a unit of the Tuba Group, which makes products for Wal-Mart and other companies in the U.S. and Europe. Tuba Group's branded buyers include Wal-Mart and Carrefour SA (CA.FR), according to a document on the company's website. Officials at Tarzreen Fashion and its parent company Tuba Group couldn't immediately be reached for comments. The cause of the blaze wasn't immediately clear and authorities have ordered an investigation, according to local media. In a statement, Li & Fung confirmed that it had placed orders for garments with Tazreen Fashion in Bangladesh that were being manufactured at the premises where the fire occurred. The goods were sourced for Kids Headquarters, a unit of its U.S. division. "We are very distressed and saddened by the deaths of workers and wish to express our deepest condolences to the families of the victims," a Li & Fung spokeswoman said, adding that the company is participating in aid efforts for immediate relief and is matching the Bangladesh Garment Manufacturers and Exporters Association's financial assistance by pledging 100,000 Bangladeshi Takas (US$1,200) to each victim's family. "We are in contact with the owner of the factory and we will be carrying out our own investigation into the circumstances which led to the fire," it said.
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Great research. You must have plenty of spare time....The fire swept through an eight-story garment factory near Bangladesh's capital, Dhaka, police and fire department officials said. The blaze broke out at the Tazreen Fashion building in the Ashulia industrial area, 15 miles north of Dhaka, on Saturday night. Locals said panic-stricken garments workers jumped from windows as the fire spread and reported seeing charred bodies being brought out from the blackened building. Some workers claimed the building's fire escape route was blocked and guards had failed to open the main gate after smoke engulfed the building. This is the latest in a series of deadly accidents at Bangladeshi clothing factories in recent years. Garments workers, who sew clothes for some of the biggest U.S. and European brands, have been demanding better pay and working conditions. The factory is owned by Tazreen Fashion Ltd., a unit of the Tuba Group, which makes products for Wal-Mart and other companies in the U.S. and Europe. Tuba Group's branded buyers include Wal-Mart and Carrefour SA (CA.FR), according to a document on the company's website. Officials at Tarzreen Fashion and its parent company Tuba Group couldn't immediately be reached for comments. The cause of the blaze wasn't immediately clear and authorities have ordered an investigation, according to local media. In a statement, Li & Fung confirmed that it had placed orders for garments with Tazreen Fashion in Bangladesh that were being manufactured at the premises where the fire occurred. The goods were sourced for Kids Headquarters, a unit of its U.S. division. "We are very distressed and saddened by the deaths of workers and wish to express our deepest condolences to the families of the victims," a Li & Fung spokeswoman said, adding that the company is participating in aid efforts for immediate relief and is matching the Bangladesh Garment Manufacturers and Exporters Association's financial assistance by pledging 100,000 Bangladeshi Takas (US$1,200) to each victim's family. "We are in contact with the owner of the factory and we will be carrying out our own investigation into the circumstances which led to the fire," it said.
Compare that to this:
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Here's the link to the 2nd story to compare with the first one.
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Rumple4skin: To me it points out how we're avoiding basic standards of common decency and shows how society is no more progressive or decent than it was 100 years ago.
In fact, the only real difference is that today there are more of repsonsible for this and more of us that are indifferent to the blood on our hands.
In fact, the only real difference is that today there are more of repsonsible for this and more of us that are indifferent to the blood on our hands.
Trust you to twist it to your agenda
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Rumple4skin: To me it points out how we're avoiding basic standards of common decency and shows how society is no more progressive or decent than it was 100 years ago.
In fact, the only real difference is that today there are more of repsonsible for this and more of us that are indifferent to the blood on our hands.
You obviously got my point, the Cliff notes version of which is Learn from the past or be condemned to relive it.In fact, the only real difference is that today there are more of repsonsible for this and more of us that are indifferent to the blood on our hands.
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tomcatwarne: Trust you to twist it to your agenda I think Dooby has done a runner
Roughly that's what he was saying. Very basically he's just highlighting poor working conditions and drawing comparison to earlier and supposedly more barbaric times.
The agenda part comes in when society argues about which is the best remedy.
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ooby_dooby: You obviously got my point, the Cliff notes version of which is Learn from the past or be condemned to relive it.
CSUN Engineering Professor Recognized for Helping to Change Higher Education in Vietnam
When Nhut Ho, an associate professor of mechanical engineering at California State University, Northridge, traveled to Vietnam in the spring of 2008 as a Fulbright Scholar, he thought he would be spending the semester helping determine ways to increase the effectiveness of teaching university undergraduates studying engineering, computer science and physics.
Continue reading about CSUN Professor Nhut Ho.
How does this have anything to do with the first story, maybe you'd better spell it out for me???
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tomcatwarne: CSUN Engineering Professor Recognized for Helping to Change Higher Education in Vietnam
When Nhut Ho, an associate professor of mechanical engineering at California State University, Northridge, traveled to Vietnam in the spring of 2008 as a Fulbright Scholar, he thought he would be spending the semester helping determine ways to increase the effectiveness of teaching university undergraduates studying engineering, computer science and physics.
Continue reading about CSUN Professor Nhut Ho.How does this have anything to do with the first story, maybe you'd better spell it out for me???
Sorry about that. You have to paste the whole linc into your searchbar.When Nhut Ho, an associate professor of mechanical engineering at California State University, Northridge, traveled to Vietnam in the spring of 2008 as a Fulbright Scholar, he thought he would be spending the semester helping determine ways to increase the effectiveness of teaching university undergraduates studying engineering, computer science and physics.
Continue reading about CSUN Professor Nhut Ho.How does this have anything to do with the first story, maybe you'd better spell it out for me???
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jt3jo: Great research. You must have plenty of spare time....
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ooby_dooby: You obviously got my point, the Cliff notes version of which is Learn from the past or be condemned to relive it.
Ooby presumably believes in Unionising foreign labour and utilising international governance to bring their standards up to our level.
However, with debt soaring and youth unemployment running at 35%, I refuse to waits for jobs to come to Britain until Socialism comes to Timbuktu. And so I say we shut off trade with every sweatshop & every savage, and then not only enjoy our way of life but actually work for it, too.
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Rumple4skin: Ooby presumably believes in Unionising foreign labour and utilising international governance to bring their standards up to our level.
However, with debt soaring and youth unemployment running at 35%, I refuse to waits for jobs to come to Britain until Socialism comes to Timbuktu. And so I say we shut off trade with every sweatshop & every savage, and then not only enjoy our way of life but actually work for it, too.
However, with debt soaring and youth unemployment running at 35%, I refuse to waits for jobs to come to Britain until Socialism comes to Timbuktu. And so I say we shut off trade with every sweatshop & every savage, and then not only enjoy our way of life but actually work for it, too.
Yes this is the solution, but as always with outsourcing it would have to be a coordinated effort between all western businesses, otherwise they could use the argument that to do this would give an unfair advantage to non participating firms, and no company is going to commit financial suicide.
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tomcatwarne: Yes this is the solution, but as always with outsourcing it would have to be a coordinated effort between all western businesses, otherwise they could use the argument that to do this would give an unfair advantage to non participating firms, and no company is going to commit financial suicide.
But the advantage is illusionary, the nation that appears wealthy because of its thriving consumerism is actually the nation broken by debt.
Individual Western nations could definitely adopt tailored protectionist policies in the market of finished goods and not come off any the worse, quite the contrary. None of our nations are gaining by importing toasters, kettles, bicycles etc.. whilst at the same time providing benefits for its citizens because there are no jobs.
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ooby_dooby: Sorry about that. You have to paste the whole linc into your searchbar.
Ok Dooby, back on course, yea good comparison, we can't legislate for a foreign country, and how could we implement any sanctions, when the greed of industry wont countenance this and the politicians are in the grip of their economic masters???
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tomcatwarne: Ok Dooby, back on course, yea good comparison, we can't legislate for a foreign country, and how could we implement any sanctions, when the greed of industry wont countenance this and the politicians are in the grip of their economic masters???
Exactly. Our standards must be limited to our own political spehere, extention beyond this violate Democracy and more importantly it violates the diversity, violates the Human race itself. We shouldn't impose our standards upon others whether they are are economic, moral, social or otherwise.
However, I would say that the true economic master in the consumer society is the consumer, everything that's corrupt & evil amongst the elite and super rich is enabled by ourselves.
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The fire swept through an eight-story garment factory near Bangladesh's capital, Dhaka, police and fire department officials said. The blaze broke out at the Tazreen Fashion building in the Ashulia industrial area, 15 miles north of Dhaka, on Saturday night. Locals said panic-stricken garments workers jumped from windows as the fire spread and reported seeing charred bodies being brought out from the blackened building. Some workers claimed the building's fire escape route was blocked and guards had failed to open the main gate after smoke engulfed the building. This is the latest in a series of deadly accidents at Bangladeshi clothing factories in recent years. Garments workers, who sew clothes for some of the biggest U.S. and European brands, have been demanding better pay and working conditions. The factory is owned by Tazreen Fashion Ltd., a unit of the Tuba Group, which makes products for Wal-Mart and other companies in the U.S. and Europe. Tuba Group's branded buyers include Wal-Mart and Carrefour SA (CA.FR), according to a document on the company's website. Officials at Tarzreen Fashion and its parent company Tuba Group couldn't immediately be reached for comments. The cause of the blaze wasn't immediately clear and authorities have ordered an investigation, according to local media. In a statement, Li & Fung confirmed that it had placed orders for garments with Tazreen Fashion in Bangladesh that were being manufactured at the premises where the fire occurred. The goods were sourced for Kids Headquarters, a unit of its U.S. division. "We are very distressed and saddened by the deaths of workers and wish to express our deepest condolences to the families of the victims," a Li & Fung spokeswoman said, adding that the company is participating in aid efforts for immediate relief and is matching the Bangladesh Garment Manufacturers and Exporters Association's financial assistance by pledging 100,000 Bangladeshi Takas (US$1,200) to each victim's family. "We are in contact with the owner of the factory and we will be carrying out our own investigation into the circumstances which led to the fire," it said.
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