Child benefit (115)
facetowardsfront: Really? I don't know of any cases where a man is getting child maintenance from a woman who deserted her children. Do you know many?
Deserted? No I don't know many women who want nothing to do with their children at all, but then I don't know many many men who want nothing to do with their children at all, either. I think its very sad either way and sometimes a result of illnesses like the depressions, sometimes because the parent is ill-equipped due to their own childhood experiences and learning.
I have come across cases where women are the absentee parents, however, and I have come across of cases where the father is the absentee parent, wants access, but doesn't feel obliged to financially support his own child(ren) adequately, or at all, through some bitterness that the mother might benefit.
Is it about numbers? Must there be an equal number of absentee, non-supportive parents of each gender for children to have the legal right of care?
Again, this is not about adults and how hard done by they are. Its about what's in the best interests of children.
I didn't get maintenance payments from my daughter's father and he didn't get access rights. I could chose to be bitter and angry about having to take all the financial and practical parenting responsibility for both of us, but woopy doo dah day, I got on with the job with minimal huffing. The person who suffered the most was my daughter, not really financially, although she's not had a lot of 'stuff' that other kids had, but being abandoned by a parent. It causes a lot of emotional damage to kids. Absent parents being all bitter and twisted about supporting their children has an impact.
Parents can choose to disappear off the system if they wish and some do, but there are consequences for the child. If you choose to do that, you can, but you're dumping your inadequacies onto a child for them to carry your burden.
facetowardsfront: Acutally women desert their children more than men do. Men are more often absent from the home because the mother decided to end the relationship or because they were never there to begin with because she chose to be a single mother; both situations being funded by the welfare state.
This would suggest that you think the father is the child and the children are not.
That would be consistent with your constant whinging and mithering.
jac379: This would suggest that you think the father is the child and the children are not
No, that would suggest a man doesn't get a woman pregnant because that's her choice.
facetowardsfront: No, that would suggest a man doesn't get a woman pregnant because that's her choice.
Please explain what you mean here.
jac379: .. financially support ... maintenance payments ... the financial responsibility ....not really financially ...
So the issue really is money.
jac379: Please explain what you mean here.
I mean it's her choice to get pregnant
facetowardsfront: Yes, but it's a woman's choice to become pregnant.
Please explain, given the concept of abstinence and the incidence of prophylactics which men are able choose to use if they don't wish to be a part of causing a pregnancy.
kennyfromdublin: Seriously what are people giving out about child benefit is still extremely generous in Ireland even if it is cut to €130 per month its still an increase of over 240% since 1997.
You could be right, it's just the idea of taking money from kids. I agree with the point your making that there are women who choose the single mother life as an option because of the generous payments. The bars and nightclubs are always jam packed when they get their payments and it does make you wonder what the kiddies at home are going without. But don't worry the day is coming when the state will be stepping in on these women and this proposed cut is just the start of some very hard times for them.
jac379: You're being childish and silly, rather than debating
Really? How does one debate with comments like that?
facetowardsfront: You could be right, it's just the idea of taking money from kids. I agree with the point your making that there are women who choose the single mother life as an option because of the generous payments. The bars and nightclubs are always jam packed when they get their payments and it does make you wonder what the kiddies at home are going without. But don't worry the day is coming when the state will be stepping in on these women and this proposed cut is just the start of some very hard times for them.
Chile benefit should be limited to 3 kids and reduced to €100 for the 1st chid and €80 per month for the 2nd and 3rd kids, I always wonder if Fianna Fail had only increased child benefit in line with inflation from 97 till 2008 would the birth rate have increased so much in Ireland in those years especially in working class areas? My guess is no.
kennyfromdublin: Chile benefit should be limited to 3 kids and reduced to €100 for the 1st chid and €80 per month for the 2nd and 3rd kids, I always wonder if Fianna Fail had only increased child benefit in line with inflation from 97 till 2008 would the birth rate have increased so much in Ireland in those years especially in working class areas? My guess is no.
Or more to the point if the state was not prepared to fund single mothers directly or by stealing money by proxy from the fathers would there be so many alienated fathers and parentless children? So many families destroyed by socialist policies!
facetowardsfront: Really? How does one debate with comments like that?
You answer my questions and show you're not just avoiding answering them with childish and silly facetiousness.
Simple.
facetowardsfront: Or more to the point if the state was not prepared to fund single mothers directly or by stealing money by proxy from the fathers would there be so many alienated fathers and parentless children? So many families destroyed by socialist policies!
The single parent family is now the normal family in a lot of working class areas in Ireland, your right the state needs to stop giving subsidized housing to young single mothers just for for spreading her legs in Ireland you get a subsidized council house when a baby pops out 9 months later.
jac379: You answer my questions and show you're not just avoiding answering them with childish and silly facetiousness.
Simple.
Simple.
Yes, that's very logical. I don't know why I don't debate your ficticious issues with you more often
Here's a link showing the single parent family is now the "traditional family " in a lot of working class areas in Dublin.
chancer_mcgancer: williams is a welsh name, isn't it?
It originated from mediaeval England, but yes, its a common name in Wales. Why do you ask, Mr.Chancer?
jac379: It originated from mediaeval England, but yes, its a common name in Wales. Why do you ask, Mr.Chancer?
no reason
facetowardsfront: So you like Brown Town? Maybe you are mac/so
Hey! Options are options.
MADDOG69: Hey! Options are options.
Your Choice, right!
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Yeah because schools across the country are packed with single fathers collecting their children because the mothers did a runner