The GFA a real alternative.... (32)

Dec 27, 2012 5:05 AM CST The GFA a real alternative....
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim Ireland274 Threads 65 Polls 6,948 Posts
Since the signing of the GFA some parties on both sides of the island of Ireland and beyond have claimed that there is only one show in town or words to that affect. The only reason why they why they made claims like that is becasue no one was consulted or asked what they wanted. And anyone who objected then or today are called dissidents. The GFA is not only flawed in many respects but also sectarian in its make up. It has done nothing but to entrench hatred and suspisions on both sides. On face value there are more peacelines today than during the conflict known as the troubles. The people who where meant to benefit from it (ordinary working class people) haven't benefitted from it. Scratch the surface and you'll quickly see that since 1998 the only people who are 'quids in' are politicians...

Recently RNU have released a document that will offer a viable alternative...

STANDING OUTSIDE THE PEACE PROCESS

Introduction

The Ard Comhairle of Republican Network for Unity wishes to thank you for taking the time to read this, our position paper on what is commonly referred to as the ‘Irish Peace Process’.

This piece is intended as a precursor to a much more substantial and substantive set of policy documents that will be collectively entitled ‘Revolutionary Republicanism’, due to be released in early 2013.

Standing outside the peace process is a basic outline of where we believe Republicanism stands within today’s Irish political system, how we think it arrived at this position and why as Irish Republican Socialists, we do not conform to the modern political set up In Ireland.

The main aim of this position paper is to lay the groundwork for the release of ‘Revolutionary Republicanism’ as well as to provoke and encourage debate and critical engagement on a wide range of issues which that work intends to address.

Issues addressed within ‘Revolutionary Republicanism’ will range from our position on Armed Struggle to suggestions for possible socialist economic frameworks for a New Ireland.

RNU would urge all republicans and socialists to engage with our future policy documents as well as to bring their own visions of the revolutionary alternative, which Irish society requires now more than ever.


Read more here.....

Dec 27, 2012 5:20 AM CST The GFA a real alternative....
ohwiseone
ohwiseoneohwiseoneDerry, Donegal Ireland5 Threads 2 Polls 1,631 Posts
My new years resolution is to join the hated political debate threads on the North.

I shall reply in 2013.

Until then hope you had a good xmas Belfast boy gingerbread
Dec 27, 2012 5:26 AM CST The GFA a real alternative....
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim Ireland274 Threads 65 Polls 6,948 Posts
ohwiseone: My new years resolution is to join the hated political debate threads on the North.

I shall reply in 2013.

Until then hope you had a good xmas Belfast boy


Witty it wasn't bad...probably better than most (I got to do exactly what I wanted for change)...

I would like your input more than most. You grew up during the troubles and it's aftermath. And no matter how hard you tried (and try) to ignore it, the conflict did (and still does) play a part in your life.
Dec 27, 2012 5:30 AM CST The GFA a real alternative....
scriobhneoir
scriobhneoirscriobhneoirCork, Ireland85 Threads 2 Polls 3,276 Posts
Excellent document. Lacking in real, practical alternatives, but as a critique of the flaws inherent within the GFA from a socialist republican perspective, it is spot on. The problem of course is the GFA was never supposed to provide a path to a socialist republic. It was a way of copperfastening the end of armed struggle by the 'mainstream' groups, (something I wholeheartedly welcome) so that green capitalists and orange capitalists could implement capitalism within the six county state. The orange capitalists could wear their sashes and the green capitalists could finally wear their lillies in public, the latter operating under the illusion that they had won and the former, safe in the knowledge that they had won. How can the DUP suddenly share power with SF so easily? Simples, because it was always about getting power, that's all it ever was.
Dec 27, 2012 5:34 AM CST The GFA a real alternative....
ohwiseone
ohwiseoneohwiseoneDerry, Donegal Ireland5 Threads 2 Polls 1,631 Posts
Phoenix: Witty it wasn't bad...probably better than most (I got to do exactly what I wanted for change)...

I would like your input more than most. You grew up during the troubles and it's aftermath. And no matter how hard you tried (and try) to ignore it, the conflict did (and still does) play a part in your life.


Indeed Belfast boy, but sure we both know, we know more about it than the armchair politicians who live a safe distance away from the the reality. Unlike the British army on Bloody Sunday I have shown great restraint on here on occasions grin (couldn't resist) laugh

cool
Dec 27, 2012 5:37 AM CST The GFA a real alternative....
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim Ireland274 Threads 65 Polls 6,948 Posts
Scrib, the document is in it's infancy. And unlike the GFA, it is open to debate and input.

The GFA was about more than ending the 'armed struggle' but copper fastening partition. The last sentence you hit the nail on the head...

How can the DUP suddenly share power with SF so easily? Simples, because it was always about getting power, that's all it ever was
Dec 27, 2012 6:17 AM CST The GFA a real alternative....
scriobhneoir
scriobhneoirscriobhneoirCork, Ireland85 Threads 2 Polls 3,276 Posts
Phoenix: Scrib, the document is in it's infancy. And unlike the GFA, it is open to debate and input.

The GFA was about more than ending the 'armed struggle' but copper fastening partition. The last sentence you hit the nail on the head...



Yes but what I meant is that they had to bring about a formula to end armed struggle in order to achieve this.

Unfortunately, you have to be very slow saying these things in public or the assumption is that you want to bring people back to the 'bad old days'. In my case at least nothing could be further from the truth. Personally I gave up on any real political change being achieved on this island a long time ago, I'm all about the day to day bread and butter issues now.
Dec 27, 2012 8:23 AM CST The GFA a real alternative....
ohwiseone: Indeed Belfast boy, but sure we both know, we know more about it than the armchair politicians who live a safe distance away from the the reality. Unlike the British army on Bloody Sunday I have shown great restraint on here on occasions (couldn't resist)


tongue
How'ya Witty! Did you have a good xmas? - from your old friend Snowy -
Dec 27, 2012 8:25 AM CST The GFA a real alternative....
snowlynx: How'ya Witty! Did you have a good xmas? - from your old friend Snowy -

How'ya Snowy! Did you catch Her Royal Highness's Christmas Address? laugh thumbs up uk
Dec 27, 2012 8:30 AM CST The GFA a real alternative....
MADDOG69: How'ya Snowy! Did you catch Her Royal Highness's Christmas Address?


rolling on the floor laughing

Indeed I did MADDOG, and let me tell you that there were tears of pride running down my cheeks!laugh
Dec 27, 2012 8:33 AM CST The GFA a real alternative....
snowlynx: Indeed I did MADDOG, and let me tell you that there were tears of pride running down my cheeks!

And what did that auld bejewelled Hun Lizard have to say for herself this time? grin
Dec 27, 2012 8:44 AM CST The GFA a real alternative....
MADDOG69: And what did that auld bejewelled Hun Lizard have to say for herself this time?


She said I was doing a good job on her behalf here on CS. (I wouldn't have thought she knew much about CS but there you are!)
Dec 27, 2012 8:49 AM CST The GFA a real alternative....
snowlynx: She said I was doing a good job on her behalf here on CS. (I wouldn't have thought she knew much about CS but there you are!)
I used to think that the last bastion of The Empire™ in the Republic was Dun Laoghaire Yacht club. haha. thumbs up
Dec 27, 2012 8:52 AM CST The GFA a real alternative....
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim Ireland274 Threads 65 Polls 6,948 Posts
scriobhneoir: I know some personally through trade union activism and none of them support a return to war, but the powers that be always want to create that perception.


This time scrib, the grassroots aren't buying the line anymore. The only people of benefit from the GFA are the authors. Not working class nationalists/republicans or the PUL community.

Today in the o6c SF are rubber stamping every single cut that the British Gov have asked them. While in the 26countiesd calling for Enda's head for the very same measures.

The DUP and UUP in the o6c don't care about working class protestants in the Sandy Row, SHankill Road, Newtonards Road..(unless they need votes).

And a lot of people are waking up that their leaders are laughing at them while they [the leaders] watch their bank accounts grow fatter and fatter.
Dec 27, 2012 9:00 AM CST The GFA a real alternative....
MADDOG69: I used to think that the last bastion of The Empire™ in the Republic was Dun Laoghaire Yacht club. haha.


You mean Kingstown Yacht club don't you MADDOG?laugh
Dec 27, 2012 9:01 AM CST The GFA a real alternative....
snowlynx: You mean Kingstown Yacht club don't you MADDOG?

hahaha. Good one. rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Dec 27, 2012 7:43 PM CST The GFA a real alternative....
facetowardsfront
facetowardsfrontfacetowardsfrontCork, Ireland42 Threads 1 Polls 2,921 Posts
Phoenix: From talking to others online and in person, I don't think the alternative that is being proposed will equate to the same 'Big Brother' state. The people behind RNU are working class people. I went to school with at least one of the people behind the idea.

As I said the paper is still in it infancy and is open to debate and input by anyone who is interested. Nothing is cast in stone at present.


Fair enough. I wish them the best and I hope they can improve the lives of the people who have been so badly treted for decades. I suppose I think the only real change, the next quantum leap for civilisation, will come when we learn to see the State, all States, as the coercive criminal enterprises they are. That's probably a trans-generational project which would require us bringing up the next generation without violence or the threat of violence. Then they would be immune from the threats of the state because they would never have learned it's language.
Dec 30, 2012 6:31 PM CST The GFA a real alternative....
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim Ireland274 Threads 65 Polls 6,948 Posts
If the GFA was working this wouldn't be still happening today.

Dec 30, 2012 6:33 PM CST The GFA a real alternative....
Phoenix: If the GFA was working this wouldn't be still happening today.



scumbags
Dec 30, 2012 6:39 PM CST The GFA a real alternative....
WadeWilson: scumbags


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May their bombs explode in their own faces!
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