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Where is Michells Email Address?
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RayfromUSA: I don't see any problems.
Iran needs power let them have it.
The Chinese work hard, they deserve some wealth.
North Korea has as much right to own nukes as anybody eise.
Talibans are Asians, they belong in Asia. Americans don't.
Cut the military budget by 80% and the economy would cure itself.
The temperature is absolutely normal.
Nobody uses the Mayan calendar anyway.
Mit Romney is no longer an issue.
Iran needs power let them have it.
The Chinese work hard, they deserve some wealth.
North Korea has as much right to own nukes as anybody eise.
Talibans are Asians, they belong in Asia. Americans don't.
Cut the military budget by 80% and the economy would cure itself.
The temperature is absolutely normal.
Nobody uses the Mayan calendar anyway.
Mit Romney is no longer an issue.
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Why Romney lost
The United States of America was created as an independent nation whose founding ideal was the principle of individual rights. Freedom. Ayn Rand said that “freedom, in a political context, means freedom from government coercion.” America was the first moral government based on individual rights, the nation of the Enlightenment.
In this age of Obama, that ideal has been tossed aside for … “free stuff.”
Read more at
The United States of America was created as an independent nation whose founding ideal was the principle of individual rights. Freedom. Ayn Rand said that “freedom, in a political context, means freedom from government coercion.” America was the first moral government based on individual rights, the nation of the Enlightenment.
In this age of Obama, that ideal has been tossed aside for … “free stuff.”
Read more at
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stringman: Why Romney lost
The United States of America was created as an independent nation whose founding ideal was the principle of individual rights. Freedom. Ayn Rand said that “freedom, in a political context, means freedom from government coercion.” America was the first moral government based on individual rights, the nation of the Enlightenment.
In this age of Obama, that ideal has been tossed aside for … “free stuff.”
Read more at
Good evening Stringman The United States of America was created as an independent nation whose founding ideal was the principle of individual rights. Freedom. Ayn Rand said that “freedom, in a political context, means freedom from government coercion.” America was the first moral government based on individual rights, the nation of the Enlightenment.
In this age of Obama, that ideal has been tossed aside for … “free stuff.”
Read more at
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stringman: Why Romney lost
The United States of America was created as an independent nation whose founding ideal was the principle of individual rights. Freedom. Ayn Rand said that “freedom, in a political context, means freedom from government coercion.” America was the first moral government based on individual rights, the nation of the Enlightenment.
In this age of Obama, that ideal has been tossed aside for … “free stuff.”
Read more at
The United States of America was created as an independent nation whose founding ideal was the principle of individual rights. Freedom. Ayn Rand said that “freedom, in a political context, means freedom from government coercion.” America was the first moral government based on individual rights, the nation of the Enlightenment.
In this age of Obama, that ideal has been tossed aside for … “free stuff.”
Read more at
Ayn Rand was a savage whose life view - objectivism can not be classed as a philosophy as it fails to explain(or even attempt to)the world or its phenomenon - is quite simply barbarian nature.
The whole point of being civilised is compromising with civilised society and its laws even when individually you find fault with them. What's good for a prosperous civilisation is not necessarily, or very often, good for every man or woman within it.
Most people by ages of 5 or 6 realise they can not have anything or everything they want without it impeding upn others. Finite resources & means in the world coupled with close proximity between Human beings means a clash of individual interests. The purpose of civilisation and the state, not to say it does this well, is to mediate these clashes and to organise them in such as way to maximise the material & social good.
If Rand had had her way we'd live under a totalitarian private state as there can be no reliable checks & balances without the civil state. The most ruthless private individual, in his own self-interest, would simply come to rule over everybody else and you'd have to be a hippy or a Marxist to believe that this is not in Human nature to do this.
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Rumple4skin: Chinese wealth and the financial crises? Not a problem?
Even though these things symbolise the end of an entire civilisation(the greatest civilisation ever known)? Even though they foretell the starvation, impoverishment and deaths of millions if not tens of millions of your own people?.
Even though these things symbolise the end of an entire civilisation(the greatest civilisation ever known)? Even though they foretell the starvation, impoverishment and deaths of millions if not tens of millions of your own people?.
Chinese wealth isn't killing anyone. Poverty kills people.
And coming poverty in the west is entirely due to decades of overspending. Don't blame the Chinese. All they did was work hard and live frugally. The opposite of what the west did.
As to western culture being the greatest civilization of all time I think that's a rather ridiculous claim. Western culture is dying of its own diseases.
And as I've lived in many different lands and cultures I claim all of humanity as my people, not just the place I was born. I think that wealth should belong to those who deserve it.
I agree with you that climate changes are normal and not something that needs to be "fixed".
I don't think the earth is warming.
There's a major scam behind such claims.
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ali110: The Iran Power Program
Chines wealth
North Korea Missile Program
Asian Talibans
Financial Crises in the world
Global Warming
Mayan Calender
Mit Romney
and so many Other Things for not Good for the Peace of the usa and world
Comments plz
Hi aliChines wealth
North Korea Missile Program
Asian Talibans
Financial Crises in the world
Global Warming
Mayan Calender
Mit Romney
and so many Other Things for not Good for the Peace of the usa and world
Comments plz
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menu11: Hi ali
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Rumple4skin: If Rand had had her way we'd live under a totalitarian private state as there can be no reliable checks & balances without the civil state. The most ruthless private individual, in his own self-interest, would simply come to rule over everybody else and you'd have to be a hippy or a Marxist to believe that this is not in Human nature to do this.
Think Stalin, who was able to seize the state precisely because the rest of the civil order had been destroyed, and through pure self-interest and ruthlessness.
The order was destroyed because, just like Rand and just like Libertarians, the primary objective of Communism is a stateless society.
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ali110: Hi menu
Having trouble with my comp. Have a VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR MY ali. And take care.
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menu11: Having trouble with my comp. Have a VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR MY ali. And take care.
thanks Menu ,Happy new Year to you and friends ------ This thread is Archived ------
ali110: Good evening Stringman
good morning ali. happy new year.
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Rumple4skin: Ayn Rand was a savage whose life view - objectivism can not be classed as a philosophy as it fails to explain(or even attempt to)the world or its phenomenon - is quite simply barbarian nature.
The whole point of being civilised is compromising with civilised society and its laws even when individually you find fault with them. What's good for a prosperous civilisation is not necessarily, or very often, good for every man or woman within it.
Most people by ages of 5 or 6 realise they can not have anything or everything they want without it impeding upn others. Finite resources & means in the world coupled with close proximity between Human beings means a clash of individual interests. The purpose of civilisation and the state, not to say it does this well, is to mediate these clashes and to organise them in such as way to maximise the material & social good.
If Rand had had her way we'd live under a totalitarian private state as there can be no reliable checks & balances without the civil state. The most ruthless private individual, in his own self-interest, would simply come to rule over everybody else and you'd have to be a hippy or a Marxist to believe that this is not in Human nature to do this.
The whole point of being civilised is compromising with civilised society and its laws even when individually you find fault with them. What's good for a prosperous civilisation is not necessarily, or very often, good for every man or woman within it.
Most people by ages of 5 or 6 realise they can not have anything or everything they want without it impeding upn others. Finite resources & means in the world coupled with close proximity between Human beings means a clash of individual interests. The purpose of civilisation and the state, not to say it does this well, is to mediate these clashes and to organise them in such as way to maximise the material & social good.
If Rand had had her way we'd live under a totalitarian private state as there can be no reliable checks & balances without the civil state. The most ruthless private individual, in his own self-interest, would simply come to rule over everybody else and you'd have to be a hippy or a Marxist to believe that this is not in Human nature to do this.
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stringman: good morning ali. happy new year.
happy New year to you 
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Rumple4skin:
If Rand had had her way we'd live under a totalitarian private state as there can be no reliable checks & balances without the civil state. The most ruthless private individual, in his own self-interest, would simply come to rule over everybody else and you'd have to be a hippy or a Marxist to believe that this is not in Human nature to do this.
now you better explain how you gonna bring a Totalitarian Private State about?If Rand had had her way we'd live under a totalitarian private state as there can be no reliable checks & balances without the civil state. The most ruthless private individual, in his own self-interest, would simply come to rule over everybody else and you'd have to be a hippy or a Marxist to believe that this is not in Human nature to do this.
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Rumple4skin: Laugh, Conrad.
Although the onus is upon you to prove why your schemes for a stateless society would not turn out in the same way as the last one.
nope,you are bringing it up all the Time!Although the onus is upon you to prove why your schemes for a stateless society would not turn out in the same way as the last one.
It's on you!
If you had ever read Rand,you'd know that she never proposed a stateless Society!
But somehow that must have slipped by you in your Quest for the Total State!
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Conrad73: now you better explain how you gonna bring a Totalitarian Private State about?
The concentration of the multi-nationals into a few corporations would be the most obvious opportunity for a private state.
How do you guarantee that the most successful businessmen, or group thereof, does not simply appoint himself(or herself)dictator? Who has the power to stop them if they do?
How does Libertarianism deal with the issue of hierarchy? I know you're not a hippy and neither was Rand, so you can't possible believe that all people will share power and wealth equally. Someone, some group, would rise to the top in a Randian society and why would they respect the individual rights of those beneath them?
You must see the inherent dangers within Libertarianism, especially considering you don't think like a hippy.
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If physical force is to be barred from social relationships, men need an institution charged with the task of protecting their rights under an objective code of rules.
This is the task of a government—of a proper government—its basic task, its only moral justification and the reason why men do need a government.
A government is the means of placing the retaliatory use of physical force under objective control—i.e., under objectively defined laws.
The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man’s rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of man’s self-defense, and, as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force. The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law. But a government that initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one, the employment of armed compulsion against disarmed victims, is a nightmare infernal machine designed to annihilate morality: such a government reverses its only moral purpose and switches from the role of protector to the role of man’s deadliest enemy, from the role of policeman to the role of a criminal vested with the right to the wielding of violence against victims deprived of the right of self-defense. Such a government substitutes for morality the following rule of social conduct: you may do whatever you please to your neighbor, provided your gang is bigger than his.
now you show me where Rand proposed a Stateless,Government-less Society!
That's where she differs from most Libertarians who want a Society without Government,which,IMO just won't work!
But a Total Government also doesn't work!
This is the task of a government—of a proper government—its basic task, its only moral justification and the reason why men do need a government.
A government is the means of placing the retaliatory use of physical force under objective control—i.e., under objectively defined laws.
The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man’s rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of man’s self-defense, and, as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force. The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law. But a government that initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one, the employment of armed compulsion against disarmed victims, is a nightmare infernal machine designed to annihilate morality: such a government reverses its only moral purpose and switches from the role of protector to the role of man’s deadliest enemy, from the role of policeman to the role of a criminal vested with the right to the wielding of violence against victims deprived of the right of self-defense. Such a government substitutes for morality the following rule of social conduct: you may do whatever you please to your neighbor, provided your gang is bigger than his.
now you show me where Rand proposed a Stateless,Government-less Society!
That's where she differs from most Libertarians who want a Society without Government,which,IMO just won't work!
But a Total Government also doesn't work!
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Chines wealth
North Korea Missile Program
Asian Talibans
Financial Crises in the world
Global Warming
Mayan Calender
Mit Romney
and so many Other Things for not Good for the Peace of the usa and world
Comments plz
I don't see any problems.
Iran needs power let them have it.
The Chinese work hard, they deserve some wealth.
North Korea has as much right to own nukes as anybody eise.
Talibans are Asians, they belong in Asia. Americans don't.
Cut the military budget by 80% and the economy would cure itself.
The temperature is absolutely normal.
Nobody uses the Mayan calendar anyway.
Mit Romney is no longer an issue.