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Feb 5, 2013 1:13 AM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
Scubadiva
ScubadivaScubadivaNew Jersey, USA106 Threads 11 Polls 2,689 Posts
SEATTLE ? A woman is six times more likely to be separated or divorced soon after a diagnosis of cancer or multiple sclerosis than if a man in the relationship is the patient, according to a study that examined the role gender played in so-called ?partner abandonment.? The study also found that the longer the marriage the more likely it would remain intact.

The study confirmed earlier research that put the overall divorce or separation rate among cancer patients at 11.6 percent, similar to the population as a whole. However, researchers were surprised by the difference in separation and divorce rates by gender. The rate when the woman was the patient was 20.8 percent compared to 2.9 percent when the man was the patient.

?Female gender was the strongest predictor of separation or divorce in each of the patient groups we studied,? said Marc Chamberlain, M.D., a co-corresponding author and director of the neuro-oncology program at the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance (SCCA). Chamberlain is also a professor of neurology and neurosurgery at the University of Washington School of Medicine.

The study, ?Gender Disparity in the Rate of Partner Abandonment in Patients with Serious Medical Illness,? was published in the Nov. 15 issue of the journal Cancer. The other corresponding author is Michael Glanz, M.D., of the Huntsman Cancer Institute at the University of Utah School of Medicine.

Why men leave a sick spouse can be partly explained by their lack of ability, compared to women, to make more rapid commitments to being caregivers to a sick partner and women?s better ability to assume the burdens of maintaining a home and family, the study authors said.

Researchers at three medical centers -- the SCCA, Huntsman and Stanford University School of Medicine -- enrolled a total of 515 patients in 2001 and 2002 and followed them until February 2006. The men and women were in three diagnostic groups: those with a malignant primary brain tumor (214 patients), those with a solid tumor with no central nervous system involvement (193 patients) and those with multiple sclerosis (108 patients). Almost half of the patients were women.

Chamberlain said the study was initiated because doctors noticed that in their neuro-oncology practices, divorce occurred almost exclusively when the wife was the patient. The researchers enrolled groups of patients with other cancers and with multiple sclerosis to separate the impact of oncologic versus neurological disease. The results showed a stronger gender disparity for divorce when the wife was the patient in the general oncology and multiple sclerosis groups (93 percent and 96 percent respectively, compared to 78 percent for the primary brain tumor group).

The study also found correlations between age and length of marriage and the likelihood of divorce or separation. The older the woman was the more likely her partnership would end. However, longer marriages remained more stable.

Researchers also measured some health and quality of life outcomes among the patients who separated or divorced. They found that patients used more antidepressants, participated less in clinical trials, had more frequent hospitalizations, were less likely to complete radiation therapy and more likely not to die at home, according to the study.

?We believe that our findings apply generally to patients with life-altering medical illness,? the authors wrote. ?We recommend that medical providers be especially sensitive to early suggestions of marital discord in couples affected by the occurrence of a serious medical illness, especially when the woman is the affected spouse and it occurs early in the marriage. Early identification and psychosocial intervention might reduce the frequency of divorce ... and improve quality of life and quality of care.?

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Feb 5, 2013 1:26 AM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
Scubadiva
ScubadivaScubadivaNew Jersey, USA106 Threads 11 Polls 2,689 Posts
I'd be interested to know why men are unable to make a rapid commitment to care and unable to take care of a family and work after they've made the commitment to marry.
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Feb 5, 2013 1:27 AM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
Guess any excuse is good when we don`t want something
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Feb 5, 2013 1:35 AM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Marriage 2.0 seems to be a popular term for men who feel women have the upper hand if a marriage falls apart.

I read blogs by men who label any woman who leaves her marriage and collects child support a "feminist." According to these men, Marriage 2.0 is the result of legislative tweaking of divorce laws back in the 1970s and 80s, which resulted in no-fault divorce laws.

Most throwing around the term Marriage 2.0 long for the 1950s and days when women were women and knew their place was in the home and taking care of their husband's needs. Not out earning their own money and God forbid, deciding for themselves what constitutes happiness and satisfaction in a marriage.

For some reason Marriage 2.0 has become a term to describe the evils of marriage and what the loss of that marriage means for men.

Here is the truth about Marriage 2.0, neither a wife or a husband has any recourse if their spouse cheats or unilaterally decides to leave the marriage. A man can trade his wife in on a younger model after 30 years of marriage and his wife has no legal recourse.

The same goes for a husband who has spent years providing for his family and is one day faced with a wife who decides her happiness lies elsewhere.

Marriage 2.0 (no-fault divorce laws) not only changed the idea of marriage and what happens to the spouses if the marriage ends in divorce for husbands, it also affects wives negatively.

How you view the damage done to you by the new Marriage 2.0 during a divorce depends on what side of the shore you are standing on.

My question is, how do we come together as men and women who have suffered due to no-fault divorce laws and as a collective attempt to change laws? Change them in a way that not only, in my opinion no longer promotes divorce but also truly promotes fairness in the division of marital assets, child support, child custody and, if needed spousal support.
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Feb 5, 2013 2:20 AM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
Mondosmith
MondosmithMondosmithSan Francisco, California USA131 Posts
Scubadiva: I'd be interested to know why men are unable to make a rapid commitment to care and unable to take care of a family and work after they've made the commitment to marry.


Because the man makes more money so the woman hangs around hoping he get better.

Or maybe the woman is hoping for a life insurance payout.

Womenvery mad
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Feb 5, 2013 2:26 AM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
L_B76
L_B76L_B76Italy,Germany ,Switzerland, Greater London, England UK8 Threads 1 Polls 1,117 Posts
Mondosmith: Because the man makes more money so the woman hangs around hoping he get better.

Or maybe the woman is hoping for a life insurance payout.

Women

yay thumbs up yay thumbs up
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Feb 5, 2013 2:35 AM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
L_B76
L_B76L_B76Italy,Germany ,Switzerland, Greater London, England UK8 Threads 1 Polls 1,117 Posts
tomcatwarne: Marriage 2.0 seems to be a popular term for men who feel women have the upper hand if a marriage falls apart.

I read blogs by men who label any woman who leaves her marriage and collects child support a "feminist." According to these men, Marriage 2.0 is the result of legislative tweaking of divorce laws back in the 1970s and 80s, which resulted in no-fault divorce laws.

Most throwing around the term Marriage 2.0 long for the 1950s and days when women were women and knew their place was in the home and taking care of their husband's needs. Not out earning their own money and God forbid, deciding for themselves what constitutes happiness and satisfaction in a marriage.

For some reason Marriage 2.0 has become a term to describe the evils of marriage and what the loss of that marriage means for men.

Here is the truth about Marriage 2.0, neither a wife or a husband has any recourse if their spouse cheats or unilaterally decides to leave the marriage. A man can trade his wife in on a younger model after 30 years of marriage and his wife has no legal recourse.

The same goes for a husband who has spent years providing for his family and is one day faced with a wife who decides her happiness lies elsewhere.

Marriage 2.0 (no-fault divorce laws) not only changed the idea of marriage and what happens to the spouses if the marriage ends in divorce for husbands, it also affects wives negatively.

How you view the damage done to you by the new Marriage 2.0 during a divorce depends on what side of the shore you are standing on.

My question is, how do we come together as men and women who have suffered due to no-fault divorce laws and as a collective attempt to change laws? Change them in a way that not only, in my opinion no longer promotes divorce but also truly promotes fairness in the division of marital assets, child support, child custody and, if needed spousal support.

thumbs up thumbs up
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Feb 5, 2013 3:10 AM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
justjim63
justjim63justjim63port macquarie, New South Wales Australia14 Threads 2,592 Posts
Mondosmith: Because the man makes more money so the woman hangs around hoping he get better.

Or maybe the woman is hoping for a life insurance payout.

Women
Guess which posters to this thread are intellectually challenged.
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Feb 5, 2013 3:25 AM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
Mondosmith
MondosmithMondosmithSan Francisco, California USA131 Posts
justjim63: Guess which posters to this thread are intellectually challenged.


You cut and run from your wife at the first cough laugh tongue
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Feb 5, 2013 3:31 AM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
justjim63
justjim63justjim63port macquarie, New South Wales Australia14 Threads 2,592 Posts
Mondosmith: You cut and run from your wife at the first cough
No actually, i stayed with her till she died. How do you feel now big fella?
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Feb 5, 2013 3:46 AM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
Mondosmith
MondosmithMondosmithSan Francisco, California USA131 Posts
justjim63: No actually, i stayed with her till she died. How do you feel now big fella?


Maybe if your profile said widow instead of divorce I would not have doubts, and if you are telling me you hid it in your profile but your opening up here, that is like trying to use it a club. Dont feel bad because, if you read the article, men are the bad ones, and YOU are one, I think. laugh
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Feb 5, 2013 3:59 AM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
Balles
BallesBallesdubai, Dubai United Arab Emirates377 Posts
..... uh oh
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Feb 5, 2013 4:27 AM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
L_B76
L_B76L_B76Italy,Germany ,Switzerland, Greater London, England UK8 Threads 1 Polls 1,117 Posts
I guess my Bro is a special case....
his ex wife asked divorce why he was and is now sick...
not a common illness something on brain malfunction...
and his wife have been brave to ask to my parents an apartment where she was the owner and she would have took care on my bro...
my parents said no...
so hows that?
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Feb 5, 2013 4:45 AM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
OkieChic
OkieChicOkieChicOklahoma City, Oklahoma USA11 Threads 4 Polls 649 Posts
and then some men wonder why there are "feminist" out there to begin with...I don't consider myself one, however I do have a tougher spine than most women...
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Feb 5, 2013 4:55 AM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
OkieChic
OkieChicOkieChicOklahoma City, Oklahoma USA11 Threads 4 Polls 649 Posts
L_B76: i knew it...
in the end she got nothing...

ops sorry i hope not even half of the women around the world are like her....

which did all her best "medically speaking" to get pregnant and get married few months after she was pregnant..



no, hun---for the most, women are NOT like that

I'm sorry for your brother
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Feb 5, 2013 4:59 AM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
OkieChic
OkieChicOkieChicOklahoma City, Oklahoma USA11 Threads 4 Polls 649 Posts
tomcatwarne: Sure are



grin
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Feb 5, 2013 4:59 AM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
L_B76
L_B76L_B76Italy,Germany ,Switzerland, Greater London, England UK8 Threads 1 Polls 1,117 Posts
OkieChic: no, hun---for the most, women are NOT like that

I'm sorry for your brother

handshake handshake hug
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Feb 5, 2013 3:42 PM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
venusenvy
venusenvyvenusenvyCalgary, Alberta Canada27 Threads 20,003 Posts
Scubadiva: I'd be interested to know why men are unable to make a rapid commitment to care and unable to take care of a family and work after they've made the commitment to marry.


Conversely Scubs, I personally know of cases that are opposite. I know a dear friend that nursed his Mom through her last days. Another that looked after his wife at home...So maybe it depends more on integrity and morals than gender wine
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Feb 5, 2013 5:32 PM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
xxDandelionxx
xxDandelionxxxxDandelionxxunknown, Hampshire, England UK8 Threads 2,525 Posts
justjim63: Guess which posters to this thread are intellectually challenged.


Nope, sorry....... can you give us a clue?

grin


cheers
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Feb 5, 2013 5:33 PM CST Divorce more common when wife is sick...
venusenvy
venusenvyvenusenvyCalgary, Alberta Canada27 Threads 20,003 Posts
xxDandelionxx: Nope, sorry....... can you give us a clue?


hmmm idea rolling on the floor laughing
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