Is sacrificing animals ok in 21st century?It seems backward (141)
"Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect." ~Chief Seattle, 1854
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bohemianjack: "Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect." ~Chief Seattle, 1854
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect." ~Chief Seattle, 1854
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i totally agree, bohemian
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Dadude62: And some still think they are eating his flesh and drinking his blood,,,
If I really had a concept of that being literal and true, I would have refused Holy Communion as a child.
I think a lot of words are said, a lot of ritual done, a lot of feelings felt...but little understanding of the full impact of the words in most cases.
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Are politicians considered animals?
If so keep calm and carry on :)
If so keep calm and carry on :)
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SoonerGal: Well they are not doing it for God, Jesus Christ died on the cross to take place of sacrifice....so I don't know who they are sacrificing too
I have witnessed a couple satanic cult rituals up in Ohio that sacrificed animals as an offering.Was very creepy!
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jac379: If I really had a concept of that being literal and true, I would have refused Holy Communion as a child.
I think a lot of words are said, a lot of ritual done, a lot of feelings felt...but little understanding of the full impact of the words in most cases.
I think a lot of words are said, a lot of ritual done, a lot of feelings felt...but little understanding of the full impact of the words in most cases.
i think many things have to be translated ,it is meant symbolically
the mistake of many is,that they just see the words
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nokundi: i think many things have to be translated ,it is meant symbolically
the mistake of many is,that they just see the words
the mistake of many is,that they just see the words
and of some words in the bible i have totally different definition
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jac379: If I really had a concept of that being literal and true, I would have refused Holy Communion as a child.
I think a lot of words are said, a lot of ritual done, a lot of feelings felt...but little understanding of the full impact of the words in most cases.
I think a lot of words are said, a lot of ritual done, a lot of feelings felt...but little understanding of the full impact of the words in most cases.
In theology, transubstantiation (in Latin, transsubstantiatio, in Greek µet??s??s?? metousiosis) is the doctrine that the substance of the bread and the wine used in the sacrament of the Eucharist is changed, not merely as by a sign or a figure, but also in reality, into the substance of the Body and the Blood of Jesus, while all that is accessible to the senses (the outward appearances - species in Latin) remains unchanged. What remains unaltered is also referred to as the "accidents" of the bread and wine, but this term is not used in the official definition of the doctrine by the Council of Trent.
The Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodox Church, and Church of the East have sometimes used the term "transubstantiation" (metousiosis); however, terms such as "divine mystery", "trans-elementation" (µetast???e??s?? metastoicheiosis), "re-ordination" (µeta????µ?s?? metarrhythmisis), or simply "change" (µetaß???) are more common among them and they consider the change from bread and wine to flesh and blood a "Mystery".
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Dadude62: In theology, transubstantiation (in Latin, transsubstantiatio, in Greek µet??s??s?? metousiosis) is the doctrine that the substance of the bread and the wine used in the sacrament of the Eucharist is changed, not merely as by a sign or a figure, but also in reality, into the substance of the Body and the Blood of Jesus, while all that is accessible to the senses (the outward appearances - species in Latin) remains unchanged. What remains unaltered is also referred to as the "accidents" of the bread and wine, but this term is not used in the official definition of the doctrine by the Council of Trent.
The Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodox Church, and Church of the East have sometimes used the term "transubstantiation" (metousiosis); however, terms such as "divine mystery", "trans-elementation" (µetast???e??s?? metastoicheiosis), "re-ordination" (µeta????µ?s?? metarrhythmisis), or simply "change" (µetaß???) are more common among them and they consider the change from bread and wine to flesh and blood a "Mystery".
The Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodox Church, and Church of the East have sometimes used the term "transubstantiation" (metousiosis); however, terms such as "divine mystery", "trans-elementation" (µetast???e??s?? metastoicheiosis), "re-ordination" (µeta????µ?s?? metarrhythmisis), or simply "change" (µetaß???) are more common among them and they consider the change from bread and wine to flesh and blood a "Mystery".
Absolutely ! It is Metaphysics.
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Dadude62: In theology, transubstantiation (in Latin, transsubstantiatio, in Greek µet??s??s?? metousiosis) is the doctrine that the substance of the bread and the wine used in the sacrament of the Eucharist is changed, not merely as by a sign or a figure, but also in reality, into the substance of the Body and the Blood of Jesus, while all that is accessible to the senses (the outward appearances - species in Latin) remains unchanged. What remains unaltered is also referred to as the "accidents" of the bread and wine, but this term is not used in the official definition of the doctrine by the Council of Trent.
The Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodox Church, and Church of the East have sometimes used the term "transubstantiation" (metousiosis); however, terms such as "divine mystery", "trans-elementation" (µetast???e??s?? metastoicheiosis), "re-ordination" (µeta????µ?s?? metarrhythmisis), or simply "change" (µetaß???) are more common among them and they consider the change from bread and wine to flesh and blood a "Mystery".
The Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodox Church, and Church of the East have sometimes used the term "transubstantiation" (metousiosis); however, terms such as "divine mystery", "trans-elementation" (µetast???e??s?? metastoicheiosis), "re-ordination" (µeta????µ?s?? metarrhythmisis), or simply "change" (µetaß???) are more common among them and they consider the change from bread and wine to flesh and blood a "Mystery".
The above came from Wiki.
"not merely as by a sign or a figure, but in REALITY"
Iv'e had this conversation with plenty of catholics, and many believe in in the literal transformation of bread and wine into flesh and blood, some even vehemently so.
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Dadude62: The above came from Wiki.
"not merely as by a sign or a figure, but in REALITY"
Iv'e had this conversation with plenty of catholics, and many believe in in the literal transformation of bread and wine into flesh and blood, some even vehemently so.
"not merely as by a sign or a figure, but in REALITY"
Iv'e had this conversation with plenty of catholics, and many believe in in the literal transformation of bread and wine into flesh and blood, some even vehemently so.
It is hard for the people to understand this big Mistery of the Christian Faith. The Hindus and Buddists, who are millions in this world, believe in Metempsychose and they are not controversed that much .. but Christians, from what i see only here ... torrents of mud !!!!
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jac379: If I really had a concept of that being literal and true, I would have refused Holy Communion as a child.
I think a lot of words are said, a lot of ritual done, a lot of feelings felt...but little understanding of the full impact of the words in most cases.
I think a lot of words are said, a lot of ritual done, a lot of feelings felt...but little understanding of the full impact of the words in most cases.
The Catholic Sacrament of Holy Communion
2 of 7 in Series: The Essentials of Catholic Sacraments
Of all seven sacraments, the Holy Eucharist, or Holy Communion, is the most central and important to Catholicism. Holy Communion is offered at every Mass, and in fact, the ritual of the Mass is largely taken up with preparing the hosts (wafers made of wheat and water, or gluten-free) and wine to become the body and blood of Christ and the congregation to receive the body of Christ. Transubstantiation is the act of changing the substances of bread and wine into the substances of the Body and Blood of Christ.
The Holy Eucharist refers to Christ’s body and blood present in the consecrated host on the altar, and Catholics believe that the consecrated bread and wine are actually the body and blood, soul and divinity of Christ. For Catholics, the presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist isn't just symbolic, it’s real.
Glad you missed that as a child,,,
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lovemedofr: It is hard for the people to understand this big Mistery of the Christian Faith. The Hindus and Buddists, who are millions in this world, believe in Metempsychose and they are not controversed that much .. but Christians, from what i see only here ... torrents of mud !!!!
Metempsychosis, reincarnation? Makes sense to me.
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Dadude62: The Catholic Sacrament of Holy Communion
2 of 7 in Series: The Essentials of Catholic Sacraments
Of all seven sacraments, the Holy Eucharist, or Holy Communion, is the most central and important to Catholicism. Holy Communion is offered at every Mass, and in fact, the ritual of the Mass is largely taken up with preparing the hosts (wafers made of wheat and water, or gluten-free) and wine to become the body and blood of Christ and the congregation to receive the body of Christ. Transubstantiation is the act of changing the substances of bread and wine into the substances of the Body and Blood of Christ.
The Holy Eucharist refers to Christ’s body and blood present in the consecrated host on the altar, and Catholics believe that the consecrated bread and wine are actually the body and blood, soul and divinity of Christ. For Catholics, the presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist isn't just symbolic, it’s real.Glad you missed that as a child,,,
2 of 7 in Series: The Essentials of Catholic Sacraments
Of all seven sacraments, the Holy Eucharist, or Holy Communion, is the most central and important to Catholicism. Holy Communion is offered at every Mass, and in fact, the ritual of the Mass is largely taken up with preparing the hosts (wafers made of wheat and water, or gluten-free) and wine to become the body and blood of Christ and the congregation to receive the body of Christ. Transubstantiation is the act of changing the substances of bread and wine into the substances of the Body and Blood of Christ.
The Holy Eucharist refers to Christ’s body and blood present in the consecrated host on the altar, and Catholics believe that the consecrated bread and wine are actually the body and blood, soul and divinity of Christ. For Catholics, the presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist isn't just symbolic, it’s real.Glad you missed that as a child,,,
in ground school we had religion. Our priest came with a whole bunch of hosts and gave them to us for eating,he explained us ,that they came from the bakersshop next street."He must have been really realistic"
Lateron he told us that these hosts are not consecrated. If some ppl. or priests make some hocuspokus then it is a different thing? When i went to my first communion , i felt no difference to the hosts in the school, same look, same tast...Maybe our priest was not a good magican???
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lovemedofr: It is hard for the people to understand this big Mistery of the Christian Faith. The Hindus and Buddists, who are millions in this world, believe in Metempsychose and they are not controversed that much .. but Christians, from what i see only here ... torrents of mud !!!!
maybe thats why there arent much buddhists or hindus in cs?
They would get there mud too...
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nokundi: in ground school we had religion. Our priest came with a whole bunch of hosts and gave them to us for eating,he explained us ,that they came from the bakersshop next street."He must have been really realistic" Lateron he told us that these hosts are not consecrated. If some ppl. or priests make some hocuspokus then it is a different thing? When i went to my first communion , i felt no difference to the hosts in the school, same look, same tast...
Maybe our priest was not a good magican???
Maybe our priest was not a good magican???
The catholics explain through a concept such as "the accident", that even though the host may still appear as it does, in reality it is the body of JC. Using aristotle's reasoning that even though a chair may be made of steel and wood or such, it is a chair, not wood or steel.
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Dadude62: The catholics explain through a concept such as "the accident", that even though the host may still appear as it does, in reality it is the body of JC. Using aristotle's reasoning that even though a chair may be made of steel and wood or such, it is a chair, not wood or steel.
lol the body of jesus must be really big-- so many hosts...
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