National Service (52)
AgentAjax: Isn’t the affordability by few that drives the prices up and sends quarter of population to live on poverty lines? Have a look at the price of commodities around the world, nations that earn less goods cost less. Just sayin.
This is true. I was in Thailand and had an interesting conversation with a Thai girl. She was doing a treatment on me that in Australia , I would pay about $160 for... in Thailand it was $70. Whilst she was doing the treatment, I asked her why she was flinching ... and she looked horrified. I suggested that another therapist took her place, she was so upset. Apparently if she doesn't work , she doesn't get paid. After some prompting , I asked her to show me what was causing her to flinch, she showed me a bruise down one whole side of her body. It appears she had a motorbike accident a few days earlier. The bruising was purple and black. The conversation deepened as I asked her questions, initially she was apprehensive and looking over her shoulder... even though we had to walk across a lotus filled pond to a private treatment room. Eventually she talked. Her mother had paid for her course for her to be a therapist and she had to pay her mother back. The reason her mother paid for her course was because she was an un-wed mother herself. So her mother had custody of her baby. It turns out that this girl worked six days of the week to pay her mother back, for food and lodging. Often choosing to work the seventh day so she could put away enough money for a trip to see her baby. Her mother was one full day away on a bus. She saw her baby twice a year. When she talked about this baby, you could hear the love in her voice and her joy.
I am so glad that your concept of low wages with the cost of commodities being low is working... I have now seen it in action.
AgentAjax: Not from what I have been hearing!!! These days apparently you are issued with cards and if you feel your commanding officer is on the harsh side you can red card him or her.
I did an apprenticeship in the services way back and I wish I could have red carded a few officers
AgentAjax: unfortunately we have never found any use for them because they lack some serious knowledge in their trades. In saying that I can see how they work well as part of a team but the type of work we do is not team work.
I was in Gundagai earlier this year and needed some work on my 1971 Land Rover. 3 guys qualified mechanics around under the bonnet
"Where's all the electronics? We normally just pull a Unit out and try another one until it works."
Pointed to the carby and asked me what it was.
Same when I needed my generator fixed. 6 auto-electricians I went to had no idea what a generator was.
Sat down with the Yellow Pages and phoned around until I found a guy.
Employ someone who has been in the Services? Would get a few extra points for just that.
When you talk about "lack some serious knowledge," little doubt about it. Too much is being contracted out to shoddy overpaid "tradesmen" for them to get any real learning experience if they go in just to learn a trade.
A mate (qualified electrician) joined the RAAF in the 70s and was classified as a Barracks Electrician. They changed light bulbs, mended fuses, replaced faulty plugs. All "real" work was contracted out. Eventually changed through boredom to become a Load Master (choppers & Hercs) and finally, as a WO, ended up in Logistics.
Lookin4missright: What are your thoughts?
Should it be compulsory for troubled youth, youth on the dole/unemployment for a long period, school leavers etc....
Should it be compulsory for troubled youth, youth on the dole/unemployment for a long period, school leavers etc....
Many countries still have compulsory National Service. Many get off it due to medical reasons. The Swiss only let you off if you are on your deathbed.
I was conscipted but had it was deferred as I was studying at the time ... best incentive to pass exams. But I was glad in some ways that Whitlam came to power and abolished it because we were sending Natios over to Vietnam to stop the Commies taking over.
I did not like the idea of having to have my hair cut and having to shave. And being 20 years old, I would miss out on so much of real life at the time by doing 2 years.
The Services have offered over the last decade or 2 an option for signing up for 12 months and then the option of continuing or out - works both ways. I have worked with many "highly qualified/experienced" people who are on a 3/6-month Probation period and they work damn hard during that time. After getting permanancy, you do get to see how they really work.
Abagail: This is true. I was in Thailand and had an interesting conversation with a Thai girl. She was doing a treatment on me that in Australia , I would pay about $160 for... in Thailand it was $70. Whilst she was doing the treatment, I asked her why she was flinching ... and she looked horrified. I suggested that another therapist took her place, she was so upset. Apparently if she doesn't work , she doesn't get paid. After some prompting , I asked her to show me what was causing her to flinch, she showed me a bruise down one whole side of her body. It appears she had a motorbike accident a few days earlier. The bruising was purple and black. The conversation deepened as I asked her questions, initially she was apprehensive and looking over her shoulder... even though we had to walk across a lotus filled pond to a private treatment room. Eventually she talked. Her mother had paid for her course for her to be a therapist and she had to pay her mother back. The reason her mother paid for her course was because she was an un-wed mother herself. So her mother had custody of her baby. It turns out that this girl worked six days of the week to pay her mother back, for food and lodging. Often choosing to work the seventh day so she could put away enough money for a trip to see her baby. Her mother was one full day away on a bus. She saw her baby twice a year.
When she talked about this baby, you could hear the love in her voice and her joy.
I am so glad that your concept of low wages with the cost of commodities being low is working... I have now seen it in action.
but it works well in Prague.When she talked about this baby, you could hear the love in her voice and her joy.
I am so glad that your concept of low wages with the cost of commodities being low is working... I have now seen it in action.
wash2u: I was in Gundagai earlier this year and needed some work on my 1971 Land Rover. 3 guys qualified mechanics around under the bonnet
"Where's all the electronics? We normally just pull a Unit out and try another one until it works."
Pointed to the carby and asked me what it was.
Same when I needed my generator fixed. 6 auto-electricians I went to had no idea what a generator was.
Sat down with the Yellow Pages and phoned around until I found a guy.
Employ someone who has been in the Services? Would get a few extra points for just that.
When you talk about "lack some serious knowledge," little doubt about it. Too much is being contracted out to shoddy overpaid "tradesmen" for them to get any real learning experience if they go in just to learn a trade.
A mate (qualified electrician) joined the RAAF in the 70s and was classified as a Barracks Electrician. They changed light bulbs, mended fuses, replaced faulty plugs. All "real" work was contracted out. Eventually changed through boredom to become a Load Master (choppers & Hercs) and finally, as a WO, ended up in Logistics.
I don’t doubt your sincerity but unfortunately I cannot honestly say our workplace had the same experience. Most people we employed came out after 20 years of service and couldn’t read a drawing or make decisions if it was ok to make minor changes without conformation. "Where's all the electronics? We normally just pull a Unit out and try another one until it works."
Pointed to the carby and asked me what it was.
Same when I needed my generator fixed. 6 auto-electricians I went to had no idea what a generator was.
Sat down with the Yellow Pages and phoned around until I found a guy.
Employ someone who has been in the Services? Would get a few extra points for just that.
When you talk about "lack some serious knowledge," little doubt about it. Too much is being contracted out to shoddy overpaid "tradesmen" for them to get any real learning experience if they go in just to learn a trade.
A mate (qualified electrician) joined the RAAF in the 70s and was classified as a Barracks Electrician. They changed light bulbs, mended fuses, replaced faulty plugs. All "real" work was contracted out. Eventually changed through boredom to become a Load Master (choppers & Hercs) and finally, as a WO, ended up in Logistics.
AgentAjax: I don’t doubt your sincerity but unfortunately I cannot honestly say our workplace had the same experience. Most people we employed came out after 20 years of service and couldn’t read a drawing or make decisions if it was ok to make minor changes without conformation.
Sounds like most of the Uni Graduates I was expected to employ.
AgentAjax: but it works well in Prague.
Just Prague? Because I found the prices in Hungary very similar to those in Prague.Abagail: Just Prague? Because I found the prices in Hungary very similar to those in Prague.
Lets go one step back I said that lower wages lower the price of commodities . you implied that under lower wage schemes people get taken advantage off. So I said let’s look at another country you have been to like the chez city Prague, you drew similarities with Hungary but you have not shown me that lower wages do not promote lower prices. So now Im bit lost with the point are trying to make?
AgentAjax: Lets go one step back
I said that lower wages lower the price of commodities . you implied that under lower wage schemes people get taken advantage off. So I said let’s look at another country you have been to like the chez city Prague, you drew similarities with Hungary but you have not shown me that lower wages do not promote lower prices. So now Im bit lost with the point are trying to make?
I said that lower wages lower the price of commodities . you implied that under lower wage schemes people get taken advantage off. So I said let’s look at another country you have been to like the chez city Prague, you drew similarities with Hungary but you have not shown me that lower wages do not promote lower prices. So now Im bit lost with the point are trying to make?
You are right, I drew a correlation between two countries. Possibly because I found them cheaper than other areas of Europe, but I certainly would not say their commodities were cheap. They are reasonably priced, but not low.
Abagail: You are right, I drew a correlation between two countries. Possibly because I found them cheaper than other areas of Europe, but I certainly would not say their commodities were cheap. They are reasonably priced, but not low.
It still is cheaper though. Imagine on their wages if they had to pay our prices.AgentAjax: It still is cheaper though. Imagine on their wages if they had to pay our prices.
Way back in the very early 70s, my brother taught his intended from Malaysia how to drive. She said that back at home it would cost about about 1 weeks salary of a high school teacher to have 1 lesson. Should this be the bench mark for our learners?
We pay about $1.50 for fuel. USA is about 1/3-1/2 while many Middle East countries pay next to nothing. Should we all be paying what the Middle East is charging for their people?
We buy bananas, mangos and coconuts while many countries have them growing on the side of the path for nothing. Should they be free for all?
Our standard of living in Australia is very good. I hear people list all of it's faults, and wonder if there is anything good they can say or is their whole life revolved around negative concepts...Our food is excellent, our living conditions are great...
Comparing ourselves to other countries is not fixing the problem here, there might be underlying differences that we miss ...so to simply say they have a good idea and adopt it...is that really smart?
Comparing ourselves to other countries is not fixing the problem here, there might be underlying differences that we miss ...so to simply say they have a good idea and adopt it...is that really smart?
Abagail: Our standard of living in Australia is very good. I hear people list all of it's faults, and wonder if there is anything good they can say or is their whole life revolved around negative concepts...Our food is excellent, our living conditions are great...
Comparing ourselves to other countries is not fixing the problem here, there might be underlying differences that we miss ...so to simply say they have a good idea and adopt it...is that really smart?
Comparing ourselves to other countries is not fixing the problem here, there might be underlying differences that we miss ...so to simply say they have a good idea and adopt it...is that really smart?
You def don't shop where i do
Lookin4missright: You def don't shop where i do
I always believed you lived near the Dandenong markets? Am I wrong?Abagail: I always believed you lived near the Dandenong markets? Am I wrong?
Yes mamm
wrong 
i live in the west with all the scumbags
.... but so much want to move near normal peeps 
coz i'm a talent just waiting to break loose 
... Opposites attract diddin ya know Lookin4missright: Yes mamm wrong
i live in the west with all the scumbags .... but so much want to move near normal peeps coz i'm a talent just waiting to break loose ... Opposites attract diddin ya know
Dandenong has an outstanding food market, the only other one that would be closer to you that I would know is Victoria Market. i live in the west with all the scumbags .... but so much want to move near normal peeps coz i'm a talent just waiting to break loose ... Opposites attract diddin ya know
I really am not familiar with Melbourne, Lookin... All of my family are up in Eltham.
I love Eltham, it's like a countrified part of the city.Abagail: Our standard of living in Australia is very good. I hear people list all of it's faults, and wonder if there is anything good they can say or is their whole life revolved around negative concepts...Our food is excellent, our living conditions are great...
Comparing ourselves to other countries is not fixing the problem here, there might be underlying differences that we miss ...so to simply say they have a good idea and adopt it...is that really smart?
Did you watch “The Project” tonight, they covered it pretty well.Comparing ourselves to other countries is not fixing the problem here, there might be underlying differences that we miss ...so to simply say they have a good idea and adopt it...is that really smart?
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