Armenian genoside (97)
MADDOG69: So you agree with the link then?
"The plans of the 1915-23 Armenian Genocide, where a million and half Armenians perished in a barbaric way in their ancestral lands in modern Turkey, actually were drawn up and were in place by the year 1910 or 1912."
I told you before sometimes you have a problem with rational thought... but this is getting funnier.
no,i didnt read whole article and i easily dont accept what dodgy links say.i need proper facts and proofs on such subjects.and i have no time or interest to search myself.so rely on official documetations and facts prooven by neutral decent experts and historians."The plans of the 1915-23 Armenian Genocide, where a million and half Armenians perished in a barbaric way in their ancestral lands in modern Turkey, actually were drawn up and were in place by the year 1910 or 1912."
I told you before sometimes you have a problem with rational thought... but this is getting funnier.
i just was saying that u can find any kind of alternative facts on sertain subjects.ther not valid as their opposite facts.
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CmdrMercutio: Maddog, I'm willing to stand by my comments on Israel. Among my ancestors are european jews who didnt flee Europe for Israel and as such dont have the blood of genocide upon their souls.
Souls? It doesn't matter what your ancestors were. Marx was Jewish and he hated what he perceived Jews stood for.
You're views to wipe Israel into the Sea is MAD.
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Leo_7: sure.thats why we have so many stupid people around us.
Indeed so.... 
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Leo_7: well people have right to believe what ever they think right.
i believe every nation in the world deserve living and having own state.but non of them have right to invade others territory and show aggression.
What your post has to do with the thread's subject.????i believe every nation in the world deserve living and having own state.but non of them have right to invade others territory and show aggression.
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Davutoglu admitted the "deportation" and by admitting,follow the 1915 Ethnic Armenian cleansing. It seems you are more Royal than Davutoglu,on denial.Hypocrtical and pathetic at the same time.Shame
I like your sentence """There wasnt any deliberate genocide""" So they Armenians started committing,en mass suicide.
I like your sentence """There wasnt any deliberate genocide""" So they Armenians started committing,en mass suicide. Leo_7: u dont understand what i m saying Chriss cos u dont wanna hear.
1915 wasnt a peacefull time in the world.There was world war going on.Turkey had its worse times in the history.There many fights was going on ,outside of country and inside of country.There was civil war and many people have died from all sides.Including Turks Kurds Armenians etc.There were millions of people dying in everywhere in the world those times.I believe many people have died in the turkish territory in 1915.but there wasnt any deliberate genoside.But i could be wrong,cos i wasnt there and i m not an expert.I ll accept it as a genoside when it will be fully proven and whole world will accept it.untill then no one will force me to believe anything i dont believe.Thats my right.
1915 wasnt a peacefull time in the world.There was world war going on.Turkey had its worse times in the history.There many fights was going on ,outside of country and inside of country.There was civil war and many people have died from all sides.Including Turks Kurds Armenians etc.There were millions of people dying in everywhere in the world those times.I believe many people have died in the turkish territory in 1915.but there wasnt any deliberate genoside.But i could be wrong,cos i wasnt there and i m not an expert.I ll accept it as a genoside when it will be fully proven and whole world will accept it.untill then no one will force me to believe anything i dont believe.Thats my right.
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Leo_7: well people have right to believe what ever they think right.
i believe every nation in the world deserve living and having own state.but non of them have right to invade others territory and show aggression.
i believe every nation in the world deserve living and having own state.but non of them have right to invade others territory and show aggression.
Most of the world has been shaped by war, conflicts and invasions. War for real estate aquisitions, economic and colonial expansion, ethnic cleansing and conflicts, war of religion, ethnic movements across countries and repression of uprisings.
History repeats itself, regardless of what we would like it to be or what the world should be.
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Delatude: Most of the world has been shaped by war, conflicts and invasions. War for real estate aquisitions, economic and colonial expansion, ethnic cleansing and conflicts, war of religion, ethnic movements across countries and repression of uprisings.
History repeats itself, regardless of what we would like it to be or what the world should be.
The public admittance by Turkey's FM A.Davutoglu in Yerevan, capital of Armenia,that the "deportation" of Armenians in 1915 is "inhuman and wrong"is not enough for our friend Leo.He wants more proof to be convinced.History repeats itself, regardless of what we would like it to be or what the world should be.
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chris27292729: The public admittance by Turkey's FM A.Davutoglu in Yerevan, capital of Armenia,that the "deportation" of Armenians in 1915 is "inhuman and wrong"is not enough for our friend Leo.He wants more proof to be convinced.
Skeptics are everywhere on this subject. Usually they are from Turkey.
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chris27292729: The public admittance by Turkey's FM A.Davutoglu in Yerevan, capital of Armenia,that the "deportation" of Armenians in 1915 is "inhuman and wrong"is not enough for our friend Leo.He wants more proof to be convinced.
stop manipulating what Davutoglu said. inhuman and wrong doesnt mean a genocide.in the civil war everywhere inhuman and wrong things taking place.and i agree with Deladude where he says:«“Most of the world has been shaped by war, conflicts and invasions. War for real estate aquisitions, economic and colonial expansion, ethnic cleansing and conflicts, war of religion, ethnic movements across countries and repression of uprisings.
History repeats itself, regardless of what we would like it to be or what the world should be.”»
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chris27292729: The public admittance by Turkey's FM A.Davutoglu in Yerevan, capital of Armenia,that the "deportation" of Armenians in 1915 is "inhuman and wrong"is not enough for our friend Leo.He wants more proof to be convinced.
Leo could never ever come on to say on the internet with his picture up even if he wanted to. His safety would be at risk in his own country.
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chris27292729: The public admittance by Turkey's FM A.Davutoglu in Yerevan, capital of Armenia,that the "deportation" of Armenians in 1915 is "inhuman and wrong"is not enough for our friend Leo.He wants more proof to be convinced.
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MADDOG69: Leo could never ever come on to say on the internet with his picture up even if he wanted to. His safety would be at risk in his own country.
u r just WRONG.I say what think.I always said theres corraption in my country not enough democracy.and i dont like my govs internal policy.but that doesnt mean that i m not free to tell what is right or wrong for me.------ This thread is Archived ------
Be deported and Marching without food and water for weeks with subsequent 300,000 - 1,5 million deaths,what it is to you,???? a holyday to a desert in Syria????
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Leo_7: since when deportations means genoside?
When the deportees,NOT given,food ,water and shelter,and by doing that the aim is to see them die. ------ This thread is Archived ------
chris27292729: Be deported and Marching without food and water for weeks with subsequent 300,000 - 1,5 million deaths,what it is to you,???? a holyday to a desert in Syria????
it was a WW2.whole world were starving .1,5 million is a myth.its even immposible to take and kill 1,5 million people.What Turks had super killing machines?
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Leo_7: it was a WW2.whole world were starving .1,5 million is a myth.
its even immposible to take and kill 1,5 million people.What Turks had super killing machines? where r those counted 1,5 million armenian skeletons?
its even immposible to take and kill 1,5 million people.What Turks had super killing machines? where r those counted 1,5 million armenian skeletons?
Here's a few of them.
I don't think you realise the sheer amount of evidence, both photographic and otherwise is available now. There is tons of this stuff. Much of it taken by foreigners that were in the Ottoman Empire.
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MADDOG69: http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/pics/genocide-pileofbones.JPG
Here's a few of them.
I don't think you realise the sheer amount of evidence, both photographic and otherwise is available now. There is tons of this stuff. Much of it taken by foreigners that were in the Ottoman Empire.
lot of folks,to kill in 1915,heck of a death march n bullets,etc.Here's a few of them.
I don't think you realise the sheer amount of evidence, both photographic and otherwise is available now. There is tons of this stuff. Much of it taken by foreigners that were in the Ottoman Empire.
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MADDOG69: http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/pics/genocide-pileofbones.JPG
Here's a few of them.
I don't think you realise the sheer amount of evidence, both photographic and otherwise is available now. There is tons of this stuff. Much of it taken by foreigners that were in the Ottoman Empire.
if there was proper evidences ,then whole world would recognize it long time ago.not just 21 country out of 200.Here's a few of them.
I don't think you realise the sheer amount of evidence, both photographic and otherwise is available now. There is tons of this stuff. Much of it taken by foreigners that were in the Ottoman Empire.
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Further, the deported armenians who survived ended up in Armnenia, which is an agreeable land and a safe haven for them. Those displaced by the formation of Israel were crammed into the hell that is the Gaza Strip - one of the highest populated wildernesses on Earth
You say there's a pattern here. You are right. I assess the damage, and thus the seriousness, and thus the appropriate response to historical actions by the provable consequences.
Turkey should pay some sort of reparations, but it should be based on the actual death toll not the inflated one. Israel's crime is more serious and less resolvable, it can only be made right by the restitution of stolen land to those it was stolen from: I see no viable way to let that nation continue existing and also do the right thing.