Scottish Independence, Yay or Nay?? (36)
marij070: My favourite recommendation of all is to drop in the phrase "new direction"....and Yes..everything is going to be all right..
.... Si, ese es el espiritu babe ....
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As far as I know England gives Scotland billions of dollars every year,
so surly that would stop.
and why would England hand over the oil fields,
after all this time I think they are better and stronger together,
I don't see it being better if they vote for independence,
but I'm not Sottish,
so surly that would stop.
and why would England hand over the oil fields,
after all this time I think they are better and stronger together,
I don't see it being better if they vote for independence,
but I'm not Sottish,
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tomcatwarne: Secret plan to deprive independent Scotland of North Sea oil fields
Scotland's Stolen SeaIn 1999 Tony Blair secretly made 6,000 MILES of SCOTLAND'S SEA - ENGLISH
by moving Scotland's marine boundaries from Berwick-up-on-Tweed to Carnoustie.
The shocking thing about this secret order is that it was not openly discussed in the Commons, passed by the house of Lords and then passed by a very select Labour and Liberal committee in the Scottish Office.
One wonders if, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the First of Scotland, knew how undemocratic this order was before she signed it ??Documents detailing secret government plans in the 1970s to prevent Scotland laying claim to North Sea oil have been seen by The Times. They show the extraordinary lengths to which civil servants were prepared to go to head off devolution, which was seen then as inevitably leading to independence.
Oil Revenue from discovered oil that is left
Calculation £1200,000,000,000 (1.2 trillion) divided by Scotland's current population of 5,117,000 = £234,512 per each or average annual loss over 30 years = £7817 each per year. Westminster currently spends £8,623 per head on public services in Scotland. These figures are for oil and gas revenue only they do not include council tax, income tax, VAT, Corporation tax or the substantial revenues Scotland's makes from Tobacco, Alcohol, Whisky Production, Tourism or Renewable Energy etc. read more about the current 4.4 Billion surplus
Scotland's Stolen SeaIn 1999 Tony Blair secretly made 6,000 MILES of SCOTLAND'S SEA - ENGLISH
by moving Scotland's marine boundaries from Berwick-up-on-Tweed to Carnoustie.
The shocking thing about this secret order is that it was not openly discussed in the Commons, passed by the house of Lords and then passed by a very select Labour and Liberal committee in the Scottish Office.
One wonders if, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the First of Scotland, knew how undemocratic this order was before she signed it ??Documents detailing secret government plans in the 1970s to prevent Scotland laying claim to North Sea oil have been seen by The Times. They show the extraordinary lengths to which civil servants were prepared to go to head off devolution, which was seen then as inevitably leading to independence.
Oil Revenue from discovered oil that is left
Calculation £1200,000,000,000 (1.2 trillion) divided by Scotland's current population of 5,117,000 = £234,512 per each or average annual loss over 30 years = £7817 each per year. Westminster currently spends £8,623 per head on public services in Scotland. These figures are for oil and gas revenue only they do not include council tax, income tax, VAT, Corporation tax or the substantial revenues Scotland's makes from Tobacco, Alcohol, Whisky Production, Tourism or Renewable Energy etc. read more about the current 4.4 Billion surplus
... I'll need to go and research this before I comment Tom ....
... but later. Some of us productive Scots have work to do and taxes to contribute .....
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RDM59: ... I'll need to go and research this before I comment Tom ....
... but later. Some of us productive Scots have work to do and taxes to contribute .....
... but later. Some of us productive Scots have work to do and taxes to contribute .....
Yeh keep the revenue coming in.
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tomcatwarne: Yeh keep the revenue coming in.
time for a short coffee / commercial break
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also we can wait another 300 years ... what a question ...
British yes, but mainly Scottish ...
because who likes the fact of not having a voice in their own home ...
British yes, but mainly Scottish ...
because who likes the fact of not having a voice in their own home ...
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Scotland is rich in resources and have money to pay back ... we have agriculture, fisheries, industry, oil, and a thousand sources more... the only drawback is the confidence in ourselves, but it is a learned phenomenon of English .. but is far from reality
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whenever we talk of independence in fact what is being discussed is the money of the country ... but we forget something very important, we forget about the identity and obviously is not the same
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theD0CT0R: That's a yes for me. In my family tree I come from one of the Campbell clans, so I do agree to this move
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London (AFP) - An independent Scotland should be prepared to give up some national sovereignty if it wants to keep the pound, or risk the problems of the eurozone, the governor of the Bank of England said Wednesday.
On his first visit north of the border since taking office last July, Mark Carney stressed that it was not his place to say whether Scotland should vote yes or no in September's independence referendum.
But he offered a "technocratic assessment" of the factors at play if an independent Scotland were to retain the same currency as the rest of the United Kingdom, as proposed by First Minister Alex Salmond's Scottish National Party (SNP).
In a speech to business leaders following talks with Salmond in Edinburgh, Carney said the problems in the eurozone had indicated the "clear risks" of having a currency union without the right foundations.
"The euro area is now beginning to rectify its institutional shortcomings, but further, very significant steps must be taken to expand the sharing of risks and pooling of fiscal resources," he said.
"In short, a durable, successful currency union requires some ceding of national sovereignty.
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Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond addresses Pro-independence supporters as they gather in E …
"It is likely that similar institutional arrangements would be necessary to support a monetary union between an independent Scotland and the rest of the UK."
The central bank chief stressed that such arrangements were the responsibility of politicians.
"Any arrangement to retain sterling in an independent Scotland would need to be negotiated between the Westminster and Scottish parliaments," Carney said.
"The Bank of England would implement whatever monetary arrangements were put in place."
Salmond's regional government, which proposes to retain the Bank of England as Scotland's central bank and lender of last resort, has stressed the high degree of trade and integration between Scotland and the rest of the UK as the reason why currency union would work.
However, British finance minister George Osborne said last year that currency union would be a "dive into uncharted waters" and warned there was no guarantee that the two sides would be able to agree on the issue.
The latest opinion poll, published on Sunday by ICM, found 37 percent of respondents supported independence, 44 percent opposed it and 19 percent were undecided -- a five-point gain for the 'yes' campaign since September.
The referendum will take place on September 18.
On his first visit north of the border since taking office last July, Mark Carney stressed that it was not his place to say whether Scotland should vote yes or no in September's independence referendum.
But he offered a "technocratic assessment" of the factors at play if an independent Scotland were to retain the same currency as the rest of the United Kingdom, as proposed by First Minister Alex Salmond's Scottish National Party (SNP).
In a speech to business leaders following talks with Salmond in Edinburgh, Carney said the problems in the eurozone had indicated the "clear risks" of having a currency union without the right foundations.
"The euro area is now beginning to rectify its institutional shortcomings, but further, very significant steps must be taken to expand the sharing of risks and pooling of fiscal resources," he said.
"In short, a durable, successful currency union requires some ceding of national sovereignty.
View galleryScotland's First Minister Alex Salmond addresses …
Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond addresses Pro-independence supporters as they gather in E …
"It is likely that similar institutional arrangements would be necessary to support a monetary union between an independent Scotland and the rest of the UK."
The central bank chief stressed that such arrangements were the responsibility of politicians.
"Any arrangement to retain sterling in an independent Scotland would need to be negotiated between the Westminster and Scottish parliaments," Carney said.
"The Bank of England would implement whatever monetary arrangements were put in place."
Salmond's regional government, which proposes to retain the Bank of England as Scotland's central bank and lender of last resort, has stressed the high degree of trade and integration between Scotland and the rest of the UK as the reason why currency union would work.
However, British finance minister George Osborne said last year that currency union would be a "dive into uncharted waters" and warned there was no guarantee that the two sides would be able to agree on the issue.
The latest opinion poll, published on Sunday by ICM, found 37 percent of respondents supported independence, 44 percent opposed it and 19 percent were undecided -- a five-point gain for the 'yes' campaign since September.
The referendum will take place on September 18.
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Speak for yourself Maddog...You cant generalise and say "most " of us dont want a united Ireland..Most of us do want a United Ireland..!! We were forcibly occoupied and a United Ireland will come about in the next 20 yrs I predict..!!!
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Scotland's Stolen SeaIn 1999 Tony Blair secretly made 6,000 MILES of SCOTLAND'S SEA - ENGLISH
by moving Scotland's marine boundaries from Berwick-up-on-Tweed to Carnoustie.
The shocking thing about this secret order is that it was not openly discussed in the Commons, passed by the house of Lords and then passed by a very select Labour and Liberal committee in the Scottish Office.
One wonders if, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the First of Scotland, knew how undemocratic this order was before she signed it ??
Documents detailing secret government plans in the 1970s to prevent Scotland laying claim to North Sea oil have been seen by The Times. They show the extraordinary lengths to which civil servants were prepared to go to head off devolution, which was seen then as inevitably leading to independence.
Oil Revenue from discovered oil that is left
Calculation £1200,000,000,000 (1.2 trillion) divided by Scotland's current population of 5,117,000 = £234,512 per each or average annual loss over 30 years = £7817 each per year. Westminster currently spends £8,623 per head on public services in Scotland. These figures are for oil and gas revenue only they do not include council tax, income tax, VAT, Corporation tax or the substantial revenues Scotland's makes from Tobacco, Alcohol, Whisky Production, Tourism or Renewable Energy etc. read more about the current 4.4 Billion surplus