tomcatwarneOPOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
The campaign to tear Scotland out of the United Kingdom has failed to gain any ground despite the launch of the Scottish National Party’s long-awaited prospectus for independence.
An exclusive poll of more than 1100 Scots for The Mail on Sunday has revealed that only 27 per cent of voters plan to vote yes in next year’s referendum, while 56 per cent intend to vote no and 17 per cent still don’t know how they will vote.
It means that support for Scottish independence is still trailing far behind the pro-Union campaign – and remains at the same level as an identical Mail on Sunday poll carried out in September.
The poll was the first carried out since the SNP launched its ‘white paper’ on independence, which was supposed to provide details of every aspect of what an independent Scotland would look like.
Since last Tuesday’s launch, the SNP have come under fire for failing to provide a ‘plan B’ on currency if they fail to secure a pound-sharing currency union with the rest of the UK following a yes vote, and for failing to accept the demands that other EU countries may place on them in order to grant a separate Scotland EU membership. Alistair Darling, chairman of the pro-Union Better Together campaign, said: ‘The SNP’s manifesto for breaking up the UK completely failed to pass even the basic tests. ‘They failed to offer a plan for what currency we would use if, as seems increasingly certain, the rest of the UK say no to Scotland keeping the pound, they failed to tell us anything about how much independence would cost us and their wish list of false promises lacked any sort of price list. ‘And their claims that we could leave the UK without losing anything fell apart when the Spanish Prime Minister said that leaving the UK meant leaving the EU. ‘What was extraordinary was that the only new policy they announced was something that they could deliver now because childcare is already the responsibility of the Scottish Parliament and the SNP Government. ‘This poll confirms that Scots are choosing devolution in the UK over separation from the UK. But we cannot be complacent for one moment.’ Mid Scotland and Fife is the part of Scotland with most support for the Union, with 67 per cent of voters intending to vote no. Surprisingly, another stronghold for the Better Together campaign is North East Scotland, where the SNP has been most successful in recent years, where 64 per cent intend to vote no and only 26 per cent intend to vote yes. Support for the Union increases with age, with 63 per cent of the over-55s intending to vote no, compared to 42 per cent of 18-24-year-olds. On the question of household finances, top earners were more likely to think they would be worse off in an independent Scotland – which is a clear sign that voters fear savage tax rises – with 54 per cent of those in the ABC1 social grade thinking their household would be worse off in an independent Scotland, compared to 45 per cent of people in the C2DE social grades. Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson said: ‘We take nothing for granted and continue the fight to keep our United Kingdom together. ‘The majority of the Scottish people have seen through the empty prospectus of the white paper and have recognised it is little more than an uncosted wishlist. ‘Scotland is better off as part of one of the largest and fastest growing economies in the developed world, with a stable currency and a fully funded pensions system. ‘In stark contrast, the SNP’s White Paper featured just a single page on how a separate Scotland would be paid for, which beggars belief.’ Drew Smith, Scottish Labour's constitutional spokesman, said: ‘The SNP promised the White Paper would be a game changer but it would appear it has had no impact on the people of Scotland who just don't share the SNP's obsession with the constitution.’
It's interesting to me to know why some Scottish people want to break from UK as they now have separate Parliament, etc. , i.e. nationalistic feelings will not matter so much?
Is it because they see themselves better off because of some reasons like the gas reserves they have/exploit, etc.
Or is it that s.o. wants a new wave of seeking work people/immigrants flocking to London area so as to rise the tension on housing, hence to increase the bulk of the banking loans made by both building entrepreneur and by morgage-home would-be one happy day after 30 years of toiling owners.
tomcatwarneOPOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
Excerp from OP's origional post.
"Scotland is better off as part of one of the largest and fastest growing economies in the developed world, with a stable currency and a fully funded pensions system."
Glitch101London, Greater London, England UK1,079 posts
tomcatwarne: Excerp from OP's origional post.
"Scotland is better off as part of one of the largest and fastest growing economies in the developed world, with a stable currency and a fully funded pensions system."Thats England
For a tiny insignificant island as Galrads likes to call us, we are doing ok. Long way to go,but at least up there among the triers.
It is a very exciting time for Scotland and I think a time of great uncertainty.
I have always thought of Scotland as an independent country and one that I just LOVE!
I think the folk there have a real concern about the future economic outlook - it is like any divorce when it comes to the untangling of finances - often it appears not to be good for two that were united - because who gets the children, the house, the pets.... there is a cost to the one that has to raise the children- however in the long run - especially with the spirit and the ingenuity of the Scottish people it will mean greater properity and no longer can the English be blamed for any decisions moving forward.
Which ever way it goes, I am all in favor of what the majority of the Scottish folk want - I say eitherway, I still LOVE Scotland, the country, the people, the culture, the music, the history, the traditions, the landscape.... all of it.
I would love to come and rent and live in Scotland for spring and summer and invite my yet unknown sweetie to winter with me in Miami - and maybe a month or two in Canada.
MADDOG69: Scots have gotten used to the tit of London. It would be a hard weaning period.
The vote on NI will be interesting whenever it happens, it's of little benefit to the British as it's joined to us here in the Republic and most of us don't want it back at this point.
...I hope Scotland succeeds....no doubt our government...will try to put the boot in......aslike ..some of their own parties...with in Scotland.....finding the right people...is the hard part......choose wisely....otherwise its all for nothing......
Obstinance_Works: I'd like to see that happen. Let's have them towed into the north sea, just that little bit further away.
... Thank you..... that's just the attitude we need for success.
As London ( aka. Tory Bullingdon Club ) has already broken away from the rest of the UK, I feel sorry for those that will be left without the opportunity for escape and reinvention.
I wonder how many Englanders would like the division to be made just north of London and to be set adrift along with us in the North Sea, with a new parliament established in the Midlands area ?
Westminster can keep it's beloved 'city', continue to reward it's corrupt financial sectors, continue to thrive on inequality and it's elitism. I'm kind of surprised they haven't taken your attitude towards us as us Scots must be such a burden on their profits, especially since they decimated our heavy industries ( along with the North of England's )back in the 70's.
Anyway you still have the hope of the National Lottery to fund your major capital projects, and cleverly by increasing benefit cuts and increasing the number of poor people ( and their dreams ) they even have the confidence to recently double the stake as the Lottery grows from strength to strength
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An exclusive poll of more than 1100 Scots for The Mail on Sunday has revealed that only 27 per cent of voters plan to vote yes in next year’s referendum, while 56 per cent intend to vote no and 17 per cent still don’t know how they will vote.
It means that support for Scottish independence is still trailing far behind the pro-Union campaign – and remains at the same level as an identical Mail on Sunday poll carried out in September.
The poll was the first carried out since the SNP launched its ‘white paper’ on independence, which was supposed to provide details of every aspect of what an independent Scotland would look like.
Since last Tuesday’s launch, the SNP have come under fire for failing to provide a ‘plan B’ on currency if they fail to secure a pound-sharing currency union with the rest of the UK following a yes vote, and for failing to accept the demands that other EU countries may place on them in order to grant a separate Scotland EU membership.
Alistair Darling, chairman of the pro-Union Better Together campaign, said: ‘The SNP’s manifesto for breaking up the UK completely failed to pass even the basic tests.
‘They failed to offer a plan for what currency we would use if, as seems increasingly certain, the rest of the UK say no to Scotland keeping the pound, they failed to tell us anything about how much independence would cost us and their wish list of false promises lacked any sort of price list.
‘And their claims that we could leave the UK without losing anything fell apart when the Spanish Prime Minister said that leaving the UK meant leaving the EU.
‘What was extraordinary was that the only new policy they announced was something that they could deliver now because childcare is already the responsibility of the Scottish Parliament and the SNP Government.
‘This poll confirms that Scots are choosing devolution in the UK over separation from the UK. But we cannot be complacent for one moment.’
Mid Scotland and Fife is the part of Scotland with most support for the Union, with 67 per cent of voters intending to vote no.
Surprisingly, another stronghold for the Better Together campaign is North East Scotland, where the SNP has been most successful in recent years, where 64 per cent intend to vote no and only 26 per cent intend to vote yes.
Support for the Union increases with age, with 63 per cent of the over-55s intending to vote no, compared to 42 per cent of 18-24-year-olds.
On the question of household finances, top earners were more likely to think they would be worse off in an independent Scotland – which is a clear sign that voters fear savage tax rises – with 54 per cent of those in the ABC1 social grade thinking their household would be worse off in an independent Scotland, compared to 45 per cent of people in the C2DE social grades.
Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson said: ‘We take nothing for granted and continue the fight to keep our United Kingdom together.
‘The majority of the Scottish people have seen through the empty prospectus of the white paper and have recognised it is little more than an uncosted wishlist.
‘Scotland is better off as part of one of the largest and fastest growing economies in the developed world, with a stable currency and a fully funded pensions system.
‘In stark contrast, the SNP’s White Paper featured just a single page on how a separate Scotland would be paid for, which beggars belief.’
Drew Smith, Scottish Labour's constitutional spokesman, said: ‘The SNP promised the White Paper would be a game changer but it would appear it has had no impact on the people of Scotland who just don't share the SNP's obsession with the constitution.’
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