A United Kurdistan state???? ( Archived) (152)

Jul 16, 2014 12:57 AM CST A United Kurdistan state????
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Precisely the point by you. Your contribution towards the subject of the thread,is absolutely NIL. Your concern is, in which side of the fence, the posters stand for.comfort comfort comfort
lifeisadream: it is about people’s position here and the whole point is missed.
head banger
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Jul 29, 2014 3:12 PM CST A United Kurdistan state????
elo3000
elo3000elo3000bruxelles, Brussels (Bruxelles) Belgium8 Posts
just a kurdish state in its present borders in irak (including the kirkuk area) .
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Aug 22, 2014 1:15 AM CST A United Kurdistan state????
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
And what about the 24 million Kurds in Turkey.Don't you think deserve, to be masters in their own land,after 100 suppression,regarded as 2nd class citizens.
elo3000: just a kurdish state in its present borders in irak (including the kirkuk area) .
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Aug 22, 2014 7:42 AM CST A United Kurdistan state????
this whole identity by country and by religious ideology - is just so old world mentality.
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Aug 22, 2014 7:52 AM CST A United Kurdistan state????
bungallow55
bungallow55bungallow55Lakeland, Florida USA238 Threads 10 Polls 3,837 Posts
chris27292729: What do you think???? Should the Turkish,Iraqi,Iranian and Syrian
Kurds unite under """ONE Kurdish State"""????. Your views are????


Why not, they deserved their own country

remember, Saddam used chemical weapons with them.
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Aug 22, 2014 8:02 AM CST A United Kurdistan state????
Leo_7
Leo_7Leo_7Baku, Azerbaijan87 Threads 16 Polls 2,514 Posts
chris27292729: And what about the 24 million Kurds in Turkey.Don't you think deserve, to be masters in their own land,after 100 suppression,regarded as 2nd class citizens.
You are in your old ampula again Chriss.rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing 24 million would make 30 % of Turkish population.Recent election shows a presidental candite of kurdish origin got only 9% of votes.It does mean even Kurds dont want a kurdish man be a president and ruling them:))) .They are ok living under Turkish goverment.They dont want a seperation.Who are u deciding for them?second class or else is in the history now.Every Kurdish living in Turkey are equally citisens of Turkey.Untill yesterday black people were treated even worse in the worlds most democratic country.So should all black people declare themselves independent state in the USA?your argument is nonsence.
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Aug 22, 2014 8:08 AM CST A United Kurdistan state????
In the 16th century, after prolonged wars, Kurdish-inhabited areas were split between the Safavid and Ottoman empires. A major division of Kurdistan occurred in the aftermath of the Battle of Chaldiran in 1514, and was formalized in the 1639 Treaty of Zuhab. Apart from the century long intermittent Iranian rule in the early modern to modern period over Kurdish native areas, and the regain of all of it and far, far beyond by the Iranian military genius Nader Shah in the first half of the 18th century, most of Mesopotamia, eastern Anatolia, and northeastern Syria (emcomprising large parts of what is meant to be Kurdistan), stayed under intermittent Ottoman rule for many centuries after the Treaty of Zuhab, virtually until the aftermath of World War I. After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the Allies contrived to create several countries within its former boundaries – according to the never-ratified Treaty of Sèvres, Kurdistan, along with Armenia, were to be among them. However, the reconquest of these areas by the forces of Kemal Atatürk (and other pressing issues) caused the Allies to accept the renegotiated Treaty of Lausanne and the borders of the modern Republic of Turkey – leaving the Kurds without a self-ruled region. Other Kurdish areas were assigned to the new British and French mandated states of Iraq and Syria.

At the San Francisco Peace Conference of 1945, the Kurdish delegation proposed consideration of territory claimed by the Kurds, which encompassed an area extending from the Mediterranean shores near Adana to the shores of the Persian Gulf near Bushehr, and included the Lur inhabited areas of southern Zagros.

At the end of the First Gulf War, the Allies established a safe haven in northern Iraq. Amid the withdrawal of Iraqi forces from three northern provinces, Iraqi Kurdistan emerged in 1992 as an autonomous entity inside Iraq with its own local government and parliament.

A 2010 US report, written before the instability in Syria and Iraq that exists as of 2014, attested that "Kurdistan may exist by 2030". The weakening of the Iraqi state following the 2014 Northern Iraq offensive by the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant has also presented an opportunity for independence, augmented by Turkey's move towards acceptance of such a state.WIKI
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Aug 22, 2014 8:11 AM CST A United Kurdistan state????
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
Leo_7: You are in your old ampula again Chriss. 24 million would make 30 % of Turkish population.Recent election shows a presidental candite of kurdish origin got only 9% of votes.It does mean even Kurds dont want a kurdish man be a president and ruling them:))) .They are ok living under Turkish goverment.They dont want a seperation.Who are u deciding for them?second class or else is in the history now.Every Kurdish living in Turkey are equally citisens of Turkey.Untill yesterday black people were treated even worse in the worlds most democratic country.So should all black people declare themselves independent state in the USA?your argument is nonsence.
kurd is a V PREZ in iraq,who knows over there/wild west?
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Aug 22, 2014 8:26 AM CST A United Kurdistan state????
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
You are absolutely right!!!!laugh laugh laugh The Kurds in Turkey,so happy under Turkish rule,then decidec to take up arm strunggle,the last 30 years against their Turkish oppressors.barf
Leo_7: You are in your old ampula again Chriss. 24 million would make 30 % of Turkish population.Recent election shows a presidental candite of kurdish origin got only 9% of votes.It does mean even Kurds dont want a kurdish man be a president and ruling them:))) .They are ok living under Turkish goverment.They dont want a seperation.Who are u deciding for them?second class or else is in the history now.Every Kurdish living in Turkey are equally citisens of Turkey.Untill yesterday black people were treated even worse in the worlds most democratic country.So should all black people declare themselves independent state in the USA?your argument is nonsence.
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Aug 22, 2014 9:13 AM CST A United Kurdistan state????
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
I don't decide for them.Otsalan from his prison in Turkey decides for his fellow breathens the Kurds.PKK wont put the arms down without a deal,which in my opinion,would be some sort of regional autonomy.Remember Erdogan and Otsalan,talking to each other on the request of Erdogan.(A bird from Otsalan's prison told me,every time Erdogan visits Otsalan,they talking about the weather).And after the deal,who's stopping them,declared independence,of a Kurdish state or a jointed Kurdish state,with the Kurdish state in former Iraq.??? Recently a statue of a Kurdish hero in Diyarbakir was demolished by the Turkish authorities,so the Kurds of Diyarbakir demolished their so much loved laugh laugh laugh statue,founder of modern Turkey Ataturk.
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Aug 22, 2014 9:41 AM CST A United Kurdistan state????
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Your calculation finding the exact number of Kurdish population in Turkey is unique.And how much is your calculation Leo??? Estimates number the Kurds between 18 and 24 millions.doh doh doh Am sorry i took the top bracket.-doh doh doh
Leo_7: You are in your old ampula again Chriss. 24 million would make 30 % of Turkish population.Recent election shows a presidental candite of kurdish origin got only 9% of votes.It does mean even Kurds dont want a kurdish man be a president and ruling them:))) .They are ok living under Turkish goverment.They dont want a seperation.Who are u deciding for them?second class or else is in the history now.Every Kurdish living in Turkey are equally citisens of Turkey.Untill yesterday black people were treated even worse in the worlds most democratic country.So should all black people declare themselves independent state in the USA?your argument is nonsence.
It might be,like Crimea,a referendum,based on ethnicity and language.grin grin grin
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Oct 8, 2014 1:41 AM CST A United Kurdistan state????
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
14 people lost their lives,yesterday,during demostrations in Turkey,mainly in Kurdish populated towns in SE Turkey,where the Kurdish population is the vast majority.
Why the demonstrations????
Turkey refuses to intervine military,in Kombani Syria,where ISIL fighters are about to take over,the town,mostly populated by Syrian Kurds.-
So the Kurds from Turkey,believe that Turkey betraits,their Kurdish brothers from Syria,just because they are Kurds.-
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