Global Warming deniers, here's more proof you are completely wrong (104)
tomcatwarne: Global warming, you must be joking, since I came back to England from Finland, I've never felt so cold, many old people are dying here from the cold and icy winds, as well as the many homeless and starving.
hi tom.....that true...but Jean is right....how our goverment treats us....is another matter.
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tomcatwarne: Global warming, you must be joking, since I came back to England from Finland, I've never felt so cold, many old people are dying here from the cold and icy winds, as well as the many homeless and starving.
the very same reason I left Canada 30 years ago..... weather patterns are more predictable however, I remember a year in the 1970s when Edmonton, Alberta Canada had 40 days of 40 below - newspaper published a certificate to everyone living there.I also remember days when tropical Florida experienced so many hurricanes in a row.... and times when no enough rain filled the reservoir - when the city was on water rations.... Some of it is just mother nature and some of it is mother nature fighting back.
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JeanKimberley: and more simple than that, can we as individuals really do anything about it? No because it is governments, and corporations that can change and do something about it.
Like the guys who go to the Amazon forests and de-forest it while digging for gold - or the large freighters that dump toxic waste into our oceans - or the large industries that work at making profits not at adding safety structures so they don't pollute the air, land and water around their plants.....
Like the guys who go to the Amazon forests and de-forest it while digging for gold - or the large freighters that dump toxic waste into our oceans - or the large industries that work at making profits not at adding safety structures so they don't pollute the air, land and water around their plants.....
Domestic energy consumption...transport energy consumption...overviews of companies who specifically don't aim to have environment as a core objective in their production process...refusal to buy products from such companies...insistence on a stepped process to move into renewables...
The "what can I do about it" is just a defeatist attitude...
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JeanKimberley: the very same reason I left Canada 30 years ago..... weather patterns are more predictable however, I remember a year in the 1970s when Edmonton, Alberta Canada had 40 days of 40 below - newspaper published a certificate to everyone living there.
I also remember days when tropical Florida experienced so many hurricanes in a row.... and times when no enough rain filled the reservoir - when the city was on water rations.... Some of it is just mother nature and some of it is mother nature fighting back.
I also remember days when tropical Florida experienced so many hurricanes in a row.... and times when no enough rain filled the reservoir - when the city was on water rations.... Some of it is just mother nature and some of it is mother nature fighting back.
Yeh the UK has had many storms with a lot of serious damage, time to think about moving back to the sun.
I hope you are well in Florida.
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gcy1980: Domestic energy consumption...transport energy consumption...overviews of companies who specifically don't aim to have environment as a core objective in their production process...refusal to buy products from such companies...insistence on a stepped process to move into renewables...
The "what can I do about it" is just a defeatist attitude...
The "what can I do about it" is just a defeatist attitude...
bless your innocent and good natured heart.Ireland has instituted policies that help the people to recycle and reuse and consider the environment.... but what's the point if in other places of the world, it is a toxic dump?
For example plastic bags.... not allowed in some European countries, or it cost the consumer money to use them or be fined to use them or just not available....
In Florida we have a large plastics industry - those plastic bags are everywhere! With no end in sight. So as much as the individual decides to not use them, bring their own canvas bags to store, recycle all their plastics, the State government is the only one to make policy to change the consumers and business behaviors and of course they are NOT going to institute policy to do this because it is big business our plastics business.
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tomcatwarne: Yeh the UK has had many storms with a lot of serious damage, time to think about moving back to the sun.
I hope you are well in Florida.
I hope you are well in Florida.
yes thank you - hurricane season ended November 30th and no significant storms hit here. The Caribbean not so lucky.
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gcy1980: "It reviews and assesses the most recent scientific, technical and socio-economic information produced worldwide relevant to the understanding of climate change."
"Thousands of scientists from all over the world contribute to the work of the IPCC on a voluntary basis. Review is an essential part of the IPCC process, to ensure an objective and complete assessment of current information. IPCC aims to reflect a range of views and expertise."
I think the most important part is the last line..."The work of the organization is therefore policy-relevant and yet policy-neutral, never policy-prescriptive."...they are independent from government and don't have an objective of being policy prescriptive.
They simply review and assess all the top scientific, technical, and socioeconomic data worldwide. This allows independence from the scientific research side too.
No, they just work of the information they are given...from thousands of scientists worldwide. This will include information which suggests that climate change is a natural occurrence.
"Thousands of scientists from all over the world contribute to the work of the IPCC on a voluntary basis. Review is an essential part of the IPCC process, to ensure an objective and complete assessment of current information. IPCC aims to reflect a range of views and expertise."
I think the most important part is the last line..."The work of the organization is therefore policy-relevant and yet policy-neutral, never policy-prescriptive."...they are independent from government and don't have an objective of being policy prescriptive.
They simply review and assess all the top scientific, technical, and socioeconomic data worldwide. This allows independence from the scientific research side too.
No, they just work of the information they are given...from thousands of scientists worldwide. This will include information which suggests that climate change is a natural occurrence.
Believe what you want then. My 33-years working in air quality monitoring and enforcement in air pollution control tells me differenty about this group and any group supporting their agenda.
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excerpt from the on-line dictionary
The Three Gorges Dam is a hydroelectric dam that spans the Yangtze River by the town of Sandouping, located in Yiling District, Yichang, Hubei province, China. The Three Gorges Dam is the world's largest power station in terms of installed capacity (22,500 MW). The dam is the second largest operating hydroelectric facility in terms of annual energy generation, generating 98.1 TWh in 2012 and 83.7 TWh in 2013, while the annual energy generation of the Itaipú Dam in Brazil and Paraguay was 98.3 TWh in 2012 and 98.6 TWh in 2013.
As well as producing electricity, the dam is intended to increase the Yangtze River's shipping capacity and reduce the potential for floods downstream by providing flood storage space. The Chinese government regards the project as a historic engineering, social and economic success, with the design of state-of-the-art large turbines, and a move toward limiting greenhouse gas emissions.However, the dam flooded archaeological and cultural sites and displaced some 1.3 million people, and is causing significant ecological changes, including an increased risk of landslides.[The dam has been a controversial topic both domestically and abroad.
It is also built on a major fault line..... any earthquake will ..... well....
The Three Gorges Dam is a hydroelectric dam that spans the Yangtze River by the town of Sandouping, located in Yiling District, Yichang, Hubei province, China. The Three Gorges Dam is the world's largest power station in terms of installed capacity (22,500 MW). The dam is the second largest operating hydroelectric facility in terms of annual energy generation, generating 98.1 TWh in 2012 and 83.7 TWh in 2013, while the annual energy generation of the Itaipú Dam in Brazil and Paraguay was 98.3 TWh in 2012 and 98.6 TWh in 2013.
As well as producing electricity, the dam is intended to increase the Yangtze River's shipping capacity and reduce the potential for floods downstream by providing flood storage space. The Chinese government regards the project as a historic engineering, social and economic success, with the design of state-of-the-art large turbines, and a move toward limiting greenhouse gas emissions.However, the dam flooded archaeological and cultural sites and displaced some 1.3 million people, and is causing significant ecological changes, including an increased risk of landslides.[The dam has been a controversial topic both domestically and abroad.
It is also built on a major fault line..... any earthquake will ..... well....
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When hurricane Katrina blew through New Orleans, and the levies broke.... over 100 years of toxic dump from the industries upstream came crashing down on the French quarter and into the district area. 100 years of trash had spilled into the gulf - sat there and was pushed back into the city by the wet winds and rough sea -
over 100 years of that crap and like a backed up toilet.... turned New Orleans and lots of Louisiana into a sewage or septic wasteland.
over 100 years of that crap and like a backed up toilet.... turned New Orleans and lots of Louisiana into a sewage or septic wasteland.
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JeanKimberley: bless your innocent and good natured heart.
Ireland has instituted policies that help the people to recycle and reuse and consider the environment.... but what's the point if in other places of the world, it is a toxic dump?
For example plastic bags.... not allowed in some European countries, or it cost the consumer money to use them or be fined to use them or just not available....
In Florida we have a large plastics industry - those plastic bags are everywhere! With no end in sight. So as much as the individual decides to not use them, bring their own canvas bags to store, recycle all their plastics, the State government is the only one to make policy to change the consumers and business behaviors and of course they are NOT going to institute policy to do this because it is big business our plastics business.
Ireland has instituted policies that help the people to recycle and reuse and consider the environment.... but what's the point if in other places of the world, it is a toxic dump?
For example plastic bags.... not allowed in some European countries, or it cost the consumer money to use them or be fined to use them or just not available....
In Florida we have a large plastics industry - those plastic bags are everywhere! With no end in sight. So as much as the individual decides to not use them, bring their own canvas bags to store, recycle all their plastics, the State government is the only one to make policy to change the consumers and business behaviors and of course they are NOT going to institute policy to do this because it is big business our plastics business.
Unfortunately, that is an extremly narrow, static view of the world. Standard of living and quality of life are now being measured by many more variables other than income. As people gain more income, they tend to have less satisfaction attached to more income and more to environmental quality and standard of living. Health is also intertwined with cleaner environments. Many studies now relate the possibility that growth in the future will be severely affected by environmental damage, loss of bio-diversity, etc.
Take Germany as an example. They had an ambitious plan to have 30% of their energy produced by renewables by 2014. They wanted to follow Sweden in their move. Unfortunately, with the huge present cost of this and the Ukraine crisis, they are now burning more coal. Simple fact of this case is that it was a good idea but wrong timing and too ambitious of a change. Energy costs for business in Germany was 4 times greater than the US. However, over the long term it will be a benefit. It also highlights the need for stepped change in this regard.
The problem with many countries, states and businesses is that they are worried about the short-term. Any business that fails to see the need for change in this regard will be wiped out in years to come. China is even coming to realise the need for greater controls due to health of its population.
So this is not about innocent and good natured hearts...its about simple common sense and having an ability to think of intertemporal costs and benefits...
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According to NOAA this past October was the warmer from the
last 100 years
last 100 years
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gcy1980: Unfortunately, that is an extremly narrow, static view of the world. Standard of living and quality of life are now being measured by many more variables other than income. As people gain more income, they tend to have less satisfaction attached to more income and more to environmental quality and standard of living. Health is also intertwined with cleaner environments. Many studies now relate the possibility that growth in the future will be severely affected by environmental damage, loss of bio-diversity, etc.
Take Germany as an example. They had an ambitious plan to have 30% of their energy produced by renewables by 2014. They wanted to follow Sweden in their move. Unfortunately, with the huge present cost of this and the Ukraine crisis, they are now burning more coal. Simple fact of this case is that it was a good idea but wrong timing and too ambitious of a change. Energy costs for business in Germany was 4 times greater than the US. However, over the long term it will be a benefit. It also highlights the need for stepped change in this regard.
The problem with many countries, states and businesses is that they are worried about the short-term. Any business that fails to see the need for change in this regard will be wiped out in years to come. China is even coming to realise the need for greater controls due to health of its population.
So this is not about innocent and good natured hearts...its about simple common sense and having an ability to think of inter temporal costs and benefits...
Take Germany as an example. They had an ambitious plan to have 30% of their energy produced by renewables by 2014. They wanted to follow Sweden in their move. Unfortunately, with the huge present cost of this and the Ukraine crisis, they are now burning more coal. Simple fact of this case is that it was a good idea but wrong timing and too ambitious of a change. Energy costs for business in Germany was 4 times greater than the US. However, over the long term it will be a benefit. It also highlights the need for stepped change in this regard.
The problem with many countries, states and businesses is that they are worried about the short-term. Any business that fails to see the need for change in this regard will be wiped out in years to come. China is even coming to realise the need for greater controls due to health of its population.
So this is not about innocent and good natured hearts...its about simple common sense and having an ability to think of inter temporal costs and benefits...
It's not me you have to convince - its big businesses and soul-less corporations.
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JeanKimberley: When hurricane Katrina blew through New Orleans, and the levies broke.... over 100 years of toxic dump from the industries upstream came crashing down on the French quarter and into the district area. 100 years of trash had spilled into the gulf - sat there and was pushed back into the city by the wet winds and rough sea -
over 100 years of that crap and like a backed up toilet.... turned New Orleans and lots of Louisiana into a sewage or septic wasteland.
over 100 years of that crap and like a backed up toilet.... turned New Orleans and lots of Louisiana into a sewage or septic wasteland.
Although I'm usually very environmental conscious, I couldn't help but suggest something ludicrous to some authorities in Naples, Italy when I noticed their extreme solid waste disposal issue there back in 2006-2008. Incredibly, everyone's trash in the suburbs there was piling up higher than mount rumpke is in SE Ohio. My suggestion: build a conveyor system to move the trash up and over into Mount Vesuvius.
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JeanKimberley: It's not me you have to convince - its big businesses and soul-less corporations.
People run corporations. The soul-less ones will go out of business. Unfortunately that will be hugely damaging for the areas where they once were. The plastic plant in Florida will also go out of business. If they decided to start investing more resources for the long-term and not in rent-seeking activities with State legislatures, it would be a good start. In countries where the plastic bag levy came in in Europe, many people at first were disgusted at the new tax. But we got used to it. And now when we are driving along a road, if we see a plastic bag on the street or in a ditch, we are disgusted.
My main point is that we simply can't settle for big business dictating policy all the time.
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gcy1980: People run corporations. The soul-less ones will go out of business. Unfortunately that will be hugely damaging for the areas where they once were. The plastic plant in Florida will also go out of business. If they decided to start investing more resources for the long-term and not in rent-seeking activities with State legislatures, it would be a good start. In countries where the plastic bag levy came in in Europe, many people at first were disgusted at the new tax. But we got used to it. And now when we are driving along a road, if we see a plastic bag on the street or in a ditch, we are disgusted.
My main point is that we simply can't settle for big business dictating policy all the time.
..I like yor thinking....My main point is that we simply can't settle for big business dictating policy all the time.
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truheart1941: ..I like yor thinking....
you mean, you like the whole of her/just like I like her
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bungallow55: According to NOAA this past October was the warmer from the
last 100 years
last 100 years
Ever wonder what kind of accuracy that the temperature measuring devices 100 years ago and before then had, and their data which are compared to today's temperature measurements?
Most reputable monitoring entities measuring ambient temperatures today use NIST certified or NIST traceable temperature measuring devices.
(NIST - National Institute of Standards and Technology, previously known as NBS or National Bureau of Standards... which the U.S. measurement standards laboratory.)
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bungallow55: you mean, you like the whole of her/just like I like her
er...?????????gcy....is a fella......
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galrads: Ever wonder what kind of accuracy that the temperature measuring devices 100 years ago and before then had, and their data which are compared to today's temperature measurements?
Most reputable monitoring entities measuring ambient temperatures today use NIST certified or NIST traceable temperature measuring devices.
(NIST - National Institute of Standards and Technology, previously known as NBS or National Bureau of Standards... which the U.S. measurement standards laboratory.)
Most reputable monitoring entities measuring ambient temperatures today use NIST certified or NIST traceable temperature measuring devices.
(NIST - National Institute of Standards and Technology, previously known as NBS or National Bureau of Standards... which the U.S. measurement standards laboratory.)
NOAA started making records from temp'tures 103 years ago
they have measures from those years on
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Like the guys who go to the Amazon forests and de-forest it while digging for gold - or the large freighters that dump toxic waste into our oceans - or the large industries that work at making profits not at adding safety structures so they don't pollute the air, land and water around their plants.....