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Nov 21, 2015 10:44 AM CST Us Foreign Aid
I am looking at an interactive map of where US Foreign Aid Dollars go. If the HuffPost is right we are still the largest donor. The map I have posted the link to in this post is "planned" foreign aid. I am researching to see if what is spent and obligated endsup being vastly different.



First, for those who say we do nothing in Africa, our largest amounts go to that continent.

Second, I am shocked at how little is for the environment, but glad to see that "Health" is one of the largest reasons given on the scales.

The HuffPost (which is not my typical read but they have this info) says we use the aid to coerce other countries. Should we withdraw it instead? I wonder how effective this aid is, and if anyone has comments on whether any of the priorities should shift? (for ex. I think more should go to environment)

**please note that pot stirrers and those who make personal attacks will be banned no warning. I am interested in a realistic conversation and will post the other interactive map links once I have a chance, although you can get to then through this link.


Thanks for insightful commentary
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Nov 21, 2015 10:49 AM CST Us Foreign Aid
OOPs one correction this is a 2016 map so the amounts spent will not be there, obviously. This map is planned only.
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Nov 21, 2015 10:56 AM CST Us Foreign Aid
not much ta say have ya? lol

well here is another link, according to the Guardain, it's actually the scandanavians who are most generous in terms of percent of household income that goes to poorer countries. Tho the US is still the largest overall donor. This link also shows the aid given by all countries. There are many generous countries.

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Nov 21, 2015 10:58 AM CST Us Foreign Aid
rebel2
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Hi gorgeous wave
You are quite right, no bashing of any country!
I know the US gives vast amounts as do many European countries. The figure would be mind blowing if we added it all up.
What concerns me, with all this aid that is given, over so many years now, why are there so many people living and dying in appalling conditions without the basic needs of life?
The only conclusion I can come up with is corruption. Where is the money being spent when it gets there?
I would be far happier if when the money was sent, someone from the country that donates it is there with it and takes control of where it is spent. teddybear
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Nov 21, 2015 11:01 AM CST Us Foreign Aid
rebel2
rebel2rebel2Alicante, Valencia Spain8 Threads 6,354 Posts
One more thing laugh That does not include any of the numerous charities that are involved. bouquet
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Nov 21, 2015 11:14 AM CST Us Foreign Aid
rebel2: Hi gorgeous
You are quite right, no bashing of any country!
I know the US gives vast amounts as do many European countries. The figure would be mind blowing if we added it all up.
What concerns me, with all this aid that is given, over so many years now, why are there so many people living and dying in appalling conditions without the basic needs of life?
The only conclusion I can come up with is corruption. Where is the money being spent when it gets there?
I would be far happier if when the money was sent, someone from the country that donates it is there with it and takes control of where it is spent.


Right! I completely agree. I am VERY concerned when I look at the total number and then see pictures of people living in squalor. Especially when one considers the amount the goes to "peace and security" according to the charts. (and I do have that total, just give a sec)

How can we not ferret out any corruption with that much being spent on security? I have an African (Kenya) friend who told me that corruption is a problem in that continent.

To me though, the larger reason is the comparatively small amount spent on economic development. You can feed a jobless man but until he has a job nothing in his life is going to really change

dunno
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Nov 21, 2015 11:15 AM CST Us Foreign Aid
lifeisadream
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felixis99: I am looking at an interactive map of where US Foreign Aid Dollars go. If the HuffPost is right we are still the largest donor. The map I have posted the link to in this post is "planned" foreign aid. I am researching to see if what is spent and obligated endsup being vastly different.



First, for those who say we do nothing in Africa, our largest amounts go to that continent.

Second, I am shocked at how little is for the environment, but glad to see that "Health" is one of the largest reasons given on the scales.

The HuffPost (which is not my typical read but they have this info) says we use the aid to coerce other countries. Should we withdraw it instead? I wonder how effective this aid is, and if anyone has comments on whether any of the priorities should shift? (for ex. I think more should go to environment)

**please note that pot stirrers and those who make personal attacks will be banned no warning. I am interested in a realistic conversation and will post the other interactive map links once I have a chance, although you can get to then through this link.Thanks for insightful commentary


Interesting Thread Felixis

Would you happen to know how those figures are made of? Beyond the administration cost.

Afghanistan Is The Big Winner In U.S. Foreign Aid

The bulk of the $12.9 billion in aid to Afghanistan—$9.95 billion—went towards spending on military and security assistance to arm and train Afghan military and police forces.
Data from 2012




coffee
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Nov 21, 2015 11:30 AM CST Us Foreign Aid
rebel2: One more thing That does not include any of the numerous charities that are involved.


right another good point! I have not researched that type of private funding hug
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Nov 21, 2015 11:47 AM CST Us Foreign Aid
lifeisadream: Interesting Thread Felixis

Would you happen to know how those figures are made of? Beyond the administration cost.

Afghanistan Is The Big Winner In U.S. Foreign Aid

The bulk of the $12.9 billion in aid to Afghanistan—$9.95 billion—went towards spending on military and security assistance to arm and train Afghan military and police forces.
Data from 2012


I have not look yet at 2012, but I do not doubt you are correct.

well if you look at the 2015 map, virtually all of the economic development funding "actually spent" by the USA went to Afghanistan. I think it should be more evenly distributed and a larger % of total should be econ. dev. That is a challenge in conflicted areas, however.

and I think we should disengage with Afghanistan. But those latter comments are just my opinion.

I am not foreign policy expert but judging from prior "disengagements" from military presence we have always assisted to train the country's military to defend themselves. That is expensive. This thread is not one that is intended to discuss our military presence in the Middle East. But I am interested in seeing how our spending in Afghanistan and Pakistan has changed! Let me take a look at the 2012 map and get back to youhug
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Nov 21, 2015 11:52 AM CST Us Foreign Aid
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Nov 21, 2015 11:57 AM CST Us Foreign Aid
Babettefr
BabettefrBabettefrLa France, Pays de la Loire France13 Threads 1,955 Posts
Conrad73: http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/02/10/383875581/guess-how-much-of-uncle-sams-money-goes-to-foreign-aid-guess-again




The link sounds as a large portion is an investment,, yes broad,, the word unless accountants/financial experts put their nose on that figures and give us a correct summary ,, anyway,, we laways learn in reading ,,
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Nov 21, 2015 11:57 AM CST Us Foreign Aid
Babettefr
BabettefrBabettefrLa France, Pays de la Loire France13 Threads 1,955 Posts
Babettefr: The link sounds as a large portion is an investment,, yes broad,, the word unless accountants/financial experts put their nose on that figures and give us a correct summary ,, anyway,, we laways always learn in reading ,,
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Nov 21, 2015 11:58 AM CST Us Foreign Aid
Here is a link from a government site that tracks our foreign aid. The largest vector for aid to Afghanistan in 2012 was for economic development

76 million for economic development of 92 million in overall aid actually spent...not planned spending. The overall planned Foreign Aid spending for Afghanistan in 2012 was about 3.5 billion according to foreignassistance.gov.coffee conversing

I doubt that foreign aid includes military expenditures in total or at all possibly.
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Nov 21, 2015 11:59 AM CST Us Foreign Aid
Conrad73: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid


I am a Wiki fan too Conrad. I haven't had a chance to read that yet though I want to do sohug
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Nov 21, 2015 12:02 PM CST Us Foreign Aid
Babettefr: The link sounds as a large portion is an investment,, yes broad,, the word unless accountants/financial experts put their nose on that figures and give us a correct summary ,, anyway,, we laways learn in reading ,,


France is also quite generous in total amounts but I do not have access to country by country breakdowns for France....yetgrin wave
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Nov 21, 2015 12:03 PM CST Us Foreign Aid
felixis99: I am a Wiki fan too Conrad. I haven't had a chance to read that yet though I want to do so

It does have a Breakdown of Recipient-Countries!
Just too bad the Data is abit old already,but the reason for that might be the US Department Of Statistics lagging behind!grin thumbs up
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Nov 21, 2015 12:04 PM CST Us Foreign Aid
Conrad73: http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/02/10/383875581/guess-how-much-of-uncle-sams-money-goes-to-foreign-aid-guess-again


I have not read this one yet either but already acknowledged that there is a gap between planned and actual spending.. Whenever large amounts of money get tossed about there will be issues, no doubt laugh
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Nov 21, 2015 12:11 PM CST Us Foreign Aid
Babettefr
BabettefrBabettefrLa France, Pays de la Loire France13 Threads 1,955 Posts
Conrad73: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid


The tabulation in this link showed that the biggest part goes to Middle East Countries/Africans,, While HAITI,, where people baked clay to feed their empty stomachs,,, they almost don't have anything,, surprising!!!doh doh confused
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Nov 21, 2015 12:16 PM CST Us Foreign Aid
Babettefr
BabettefrBabettefrLa France, Pays de la Loire France13 Threads 1,955 Posts
felixis99: France is also quite generous in total amounts but I do not have access to country by country breakdowns for France....yet



I didin't dig on that yet,, but i doubt,, it is always misleading,,
So many facts to consider,, like the size ,,, the capacity,, of each country,, proportional/prorated datas are almost interesting to exploit,, good thread ,,,wave grin
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