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Nov 7, 2018 3:34 PM CST New Acting Attorney General to Oversee Mueller Probe
HealthyLiving
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Trump's new Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker, who has criticized the Mueller probe, will now oversee it

President Donald Trump's new acting attorney general, Matthew Whitaker, will oversee special counsel Robert Mueller's probe of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election.
"The Acting Attorney General is in charge of all matters under the purview of the Department of Justice," a spokesperson for the department says when asked if Whitaker would oversee Mueller's investigation.
Trump announced in a pair of tweets minutes earlier on Wednesday that Attorney General Jeff Sessions would be replaced by Whitaker, who was Sessions' chief of staff at the Justice Department. Sessions had resigned at Trump's "request," according to his resignation letter.

It was not immediately clear how the staffing change will impact Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who is currently overseeing the Mueller probe. At about 3:45 p.m. ET, NBC reported that Rosenstein was headed to the White House for a "previously scheduled meeting."

Whitaker argued in an August 2017 op-ed for CNN that Mueller's investigation is "dangerously close to crossing" the so-called red line not to look into the Trump family's finances.

"It does not take a lawyer or even a former federal prosecutor like myself to conclude that investigating Donald Trump's finances or his family's finances falls completely outside of the realm of his 2016 campaign and allegations that the campaign coordinated with the Russian government or anyone else," Whitaker wrote in the piece.

"That goes beyond the scope of the appointment of the special counsel."

Less than a month earlier, Whitaker had defended Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr., for accepting a meeting at Trump Tower in June 2016 with Russian officials who had promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton during the presidential campaign.

"You would always take that meeting," Whitaker said on CNN.

Whitaker, 49, is a former U.S. attorney in Iowa who ran for political office as a Republican. The National Association of Former United States Attorneys announced in October 2017 that Whitaker had been appointed as Sessions' chief of staff.

Sessions had been a frequent target of Trump's ire since he recused himself from the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Kremlin.

Trump has also criticized Rosenstein. "I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director!" Trump said in a June 2017 tweet, shortly after the special counsel was appointed.

The special counsel declined CNBC's request for comment on Sessions.

Sessions' resignation came less than 24 hours after most polls closed in the midterm elections. Democrats won majority control of the House of Representatives, while Republicans strengthened their hold on the Senate.

The announcement spurred an avalanche of statements from lawmakers of both major parties. Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., who appears likely to become chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said "Whitaker and any nominee must commit" to protecting Mueller and the independence of the Justice Department.

The timing is especially significant given that the new session of Congress with a Democrat-led House will not begin until Jan. 3, 2019.

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Nov 7, 2018 4:05 PM CST New Acting Attorney General to Oversee Mueller Probe
HealthyLiving: Trump's new Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker, who has criticized the Mueller probe, will now oversee it

President Donald Trump's new acting attorney general, Matthew Whitaker, will oversee special counsel Robert Mueller's probe of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election.
"The Acting Attorney General is in charge of all matters under the purview of the Department of Justice," a spokesperson for the department says when asked if Whitaker would oversee Mueller's investigation.
Trump announced in a pair of tweets minutes earlier on Wednesday that Attorney General Jeff Sessions would be replaced by Whitaker, who was Sessions' chief of staff at the Justice Department. Sessions had resigned at Trump's "request," according to his resignation letter.

It was not immediately clear how the staffing change will impact Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who is currently overseeing the Mueller probe. At about 3:45 p.m. ET, NBC reported that Rosenstein was headed to the White House for a "previously scheduled meeting."

Whitaker argued in an August 2017 op-ed for CNN that Mueller's investigation is "dangerously close to crossing" the so-called red line not to look into the Trump family's finances.

"It does not take a lawyer or even a former federal prosecutor like myself to conclude that investigating Donald Trump's finances or his family's finances falls completely outside of the realm of his 2016 campaign and allegations that the campaign coordinated with the Russian government or anyone else," Whitaker wrote in the piece.

"That goes beyond the scope of the appointment of the special counsel."

Less than a month earlier, Whitaker had defended Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr., for accepting a meeting at Trump Tower in June 2016 with Russian officials who had promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton during the presidential campaign.

"You would always take that meeting," Whitaker said on CNN.

Whitaker, 49, is a former U.S. attorney in Iowa who ran for political office as a Republican. The National Association of Former United States Attorneys announced in October 2017 that Whitaker had been appointed as Sessions' chief of staff.

Sessions had been a frequent target of Trump's ire since he recused himself from the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Kremlin.

Trump has also criticized Rosenstein. "I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director!" Trump said in a June 2017 tweet, shortly after the special counsel was appointed.

The special counsel declined CNBC's request for comment on Sessions.

Sessions' resignation came less than 24 hours after most polls closed in the midterm elections. Democrats won majority control of the House of Representatives, while Republicans strengthened their hold on the Senate.

The announcement spurred an avalanche of statements from lawmakers of both major parties. Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., who appears likely to become chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said "Whitaker and any nominee must commit" to protecting Mueller and the independence of the Justice Department.

The timing is especially significant given that the new session of Congress with a Democrat-led House will not begin until Jan. 3, 2019.

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Bugeye Schiff better keep a very low profile,or his incessant leaking might catch up with him!
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Nov 7, 2018 5:53 PM CST New Acting Attorney General to Oversee Mueller Probe
Sir_T
Sir_TSir_TLimerick, Ireland4 Threads 598 Posts
Fox Gnews is saying that the appointment is illegal. In which case, Rod Rosenstein will be back in the saddle and with a another illegal act to investigate the administration about. Certainly there could be a fight about this guy, and the clock is ticking.



However, Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano explained to Fox News host Dana Perino how Trump could be breaking the law with his new appointee.

Napolitano explained that Whitaker was not confirmed by the Senate and therefore violates the law.

“Under the law, the person running the Department of Justice must have been approved by the United States Senate for some previous position. Even on an interim post,” Napolitano said.

Napolitano continued saying that next in line for the position is Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.
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Nov 7, 2018 6:11 PM CST New Acting Attorney General to Oversee Mueller Probe
bigjb62
bigjb62bigjb62Society Hill, South Carolina USA1 Threads 935 Posts
Sir_T: Fox Gnews is saying that the appointment is illegal. In which case, Rod Rosenstein will be back in the saddle and with a another illegal act to investigate the administration about. Certainly there could be a fight about this guy, and the clock is ticking.



However, Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano explained to Fox News host Dana Perino how Trump could be breaking the law with his new appointee.

Napolitano explained that Whitaker was not confirmed by the Senate and therefore violates the law.

“Under the law, the person running the Department of Justice must have been approved by the United States Senate for some previous position. Even on an interim post,” Napolitano said.

Napolitano continued saying that next in line for the position is Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.
Napolitano has shown more than ounce he's not a fan of Trump and likes to give legal opinions contrary to the Trump white house. But he's only one voice. Prudent people would look at his opinion for what it is. As just an attempt for Napolitano to appear relevant. I think I will be prudent and wait to see the outcome.
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Nov 7, 2018 6:41 PM CST New Acting Attorney General to Oversee Mueller Probe
HealthyLiving
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Sir_T: Fox Gnews is saying that the appointment is illegal. In which case, Rod Rosenstein will be back in the saddle and with a another illegal act to investigate the administration about. Certainly there could be a fight about this guy, and the clock is ticking.



However, Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano explained to Fox News host Dana Perino how Trump could be breaking the law with his new appointee.

Napolitano explained that Whitaker was not confirmed by the Senate and therefore violates the law.

“Under the law, the person running the Department of Justice must have been approved by the United States Senate for some previous position. Even on an interim post,” Napolitano said.

Napolitano continued saying that next in line for the position is Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.
I thought you considered Fox (Faux) News an unreliable source!?!
I used to like Napolitano and believed him to speak wisely. Lately though, he contradicts what I know to be true so I don't know what's happened to him.

Surely the Justice Department can not be unmanned I would think. Rosenstein is under investigation himself. How could he take the position?

HLdunno
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Nov 7, 2018 8:16 PM CST New Acting Attorney General to Oversee Mueller Probe
Draegoneer
DraegoneerDraegoneerPrudenville, Michigan USA1 Threads 1,371 Posts
Rosenstien in in question. Integrity alone. Even a suggestion is bad enough and illegal if he ever tried following through.



Whitaker would be approved by the senate. He just has to be put in front of them now. He's the only one with common sense and not trying to scrape up a bunch of useless garbage for political gain. Can't say that for demoncraps, fbi, or much of any of the DoJ in general.
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Nov 7, 2018 8:19 PM CST New Acting Attorney General to Oversee Mueller Probe
Sir_T
Sir_TSir_TLimerick, Ireland4 Threads 598 Posts
It's not that I consider it unreliable, it's that you consider it reliable.

And Rosenstein is not under investigation. Besides, if being under investigation disqualified you for a job in the Trump White House, then most of his staff would have to quit.

You are probably thinking of the article si impeachment that GOP made a lot of noise over last July then quietly shelved when they had gotten all the press they could out of it.



Eleven House GOP members filed articles of impeachment against Rosenstein on July 25, 2018, alleging he has stonewalled document requests from Congress and he mishandled the 2016 election investigation. Rosenstein has denied the allegations. No such impeachment was brought to the floor, with Ryan and Meadows backing down. Subsequently it was revealed that Devin Nunes wanted to impeach Rosenstein, but was concerned that attempting to do so would delay the confirmation of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.
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Nov 7, 2018 9:11 PM CST New Acting Attorney General to Oversee Mueller Probe
Mercedes_00
Mercedes_00Mercedes_00Greater Sydney, New South Wales Australia18 Threads 20,456 Posts
Trump screams about CNN being fake news.

July 2018 Trump saw Whitaker on CNN (yeah so called fake news that Trump is obsessed with yet he listens to CNN's so called fake news.

I watched and listened to Whitaker say shrink funds to the Mueller probe so the investigation is halted..Trump liked..Trump grabbed Whitaker watching him on CNN that he cries being fake news.

In the green room before he was aired Whitaker told another in the green room that he was on CNN from time to time hoping to be recognised by Trump.

Yep many have used CNN hoping to be picked up by Trump on a so called fake news channel.

The firing of Sessions is 10 times worse than Watergate it's a planned murder for sure.

Rosenstein was next in line but hey Trump is filthy so it's not like I expected anything better.
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Nov 8, 2018 1:53 AM CST New Acting Attorney General to Oversee Mueller Probe
Mercedes_00: Trump screams about CNN being fake news.

July 2018 Trump saw Whitaker on CNN (yeah so called fake news that Trump is obsessed with yet he listens to CNN's so called fake news.

I watched and listened to Whitaker say shrink funds to the Mueller probe so the investigation is halted..Trump liked..Trump grabbed Whitaker watching him on CNN that he cries being fake news.

In the green room before he was aired Whitaker told another in the green room that he was on CNN from time to time hoping to be recognised by Trump.

Yep many have used CNN hoping to be picked up by Trump on a so called fake news channel.

The firing of Sessions is 10 times worse than Watergate it's a planned murder for sure.

Rosenstein was next in line but hey Trump is filthy so it's not like I expected anything better.
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Nov 8, 2018 1:56 AM CST New Acting Attorney General to Oversee Mueller Probe
Sir_T: Fox Gnews is saying that the appointment is illegal. In which case, Rod Rosenstein will be back in the saddle and with a another illegal act to investigate the administration about. Certainly there could be a fight about this guy, and the clock is ticking.



However, Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano explained to Fox News host Dana Perino how Trump could be breaking the law with his new appointee.

Napolitano explained that Whitaker was not confirmed by the Senate and therefore violates the law.

“Under the law, the person running the Department of Justice must have been approved by the United States Senate for some previous position. Even on an interim post,” Napolitano said.

Napolitano continued saying that next in line for the position is Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.
Malarkey!
Napolitano needs to STFU!
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Nov 8, 2018 2:00 AM CST New Acting Attorney General to Oversee Mueller Probe
Mercedes_00
Mercedes_00Mercedes_00Greater Sydney, New South Wales Australia18 Threads 20,456 Posts
Conrad take a pill and go back to bed
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Nov 8, 2018 9:54 AM CST New Acting Attorney General to Oversee Mueller Probe
KarloradoFL
KarloradoFLKarloradoFLDeLeon Springs, Florida USA50 Threads 3 Polls 9,475 Posts
bigjb62: If there was wrong doing there would already be evidence of it. Your hate for Trump and those who care about the US and are MAGA is very unfortunate.
There is however evidence of Shrillary and Obummer wrong doing, but you try to deflect that by accusing Trump of imaginary wrong doings.
I'm sorry but no amount of pounding your fist or stomping your feet or projecting what Demonrats are guilty of will make Trump guilty of things he hasn't done.

There is good news. I'm going to pray for you.

Dear heavenly Father, I pray that if it be your will you open Mercedes eyes and heart to the truth and use her the bring more people into your fold, in Jesus name I pray, AMEN!
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Sir_T
Sir_TSir_TLimerick, Ireland4 Threads 598 Posts
bigjb62: If there was wrong doing there would already be evidence of it. Your hate for Trump and those who care about the US and are MAGA is very unfortunate.
Yes, people plead GUILTY to indictments and there are 30 odd other indictments against people assiciated with Trump based on no evidence at all, and Trump is now freaking out and spent the last 2 years screaming about Sessions not shutting the investigation down becasue he is totally innocent. Even the republicans in their report said that the Rusians were working against Clinton in the election...

In response to: There is however evidence of Shrillary and Obummer wrong doing, but you try to deflect that by accusing Trump of imaginary wrong doings.
I'm sorry but no amount of pounding your fist or stomping your feet or projecting what Demonrats are guilty of will make Trump guilty of things he hasn't done.
Thats funny, becasue the house spent years investigating Shillary and Obummer and they found Nothing. No indigtments, no charges, just 9 public reports that said Hillary Clinton did nothing wrong at Benghazi. AND it wasnt just the 9 investigations. You want to see a partial list of the investigations into Hillary Clinton launched by the house that all found her innocent? All run by Republicans no less?

Thought you might!

House Committee on the Judiciary. [Interim Progress Report on Benghazi Investigation, 4/23/13
• House Committee on Armed Services. [Interim Progress Report on Benghazi Investigation, 4/23/13
• House Committee on Foreign Affairs. [Interim Progress Report on Benghazi Investigation, 4/23/13
• House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. [Interim Progress Report on Benghazi Investigation, 4/23/13
• House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. [Interim Progress Report on Benghazi Investigation, 4/23/13
• Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs. [Flashing Red: A Special Report on the Terrorist Attack at Benghazi,12/30/12
• Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. [Senate Intelligence Committee press release, 10/25/12
• Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. [Benghazi: The Attacks and the Lessons Learned, 1/23/13
• Senate Committee on Armed Services. [Attack on U.S. Facilities in Benghazi, Libya, 2/7/13
• The Select Committee on Benghazi. [Select Committee on Benghazi, accessed 3/24/15
• House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. [“Interim Report on the Accountability Review Board,” Committee on Oversight and Government Reform 9/16/13
• Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs. [“Flashing Red: A Special Report on the Terrorist Attack at Benghazi,” the Senate Committee On Homeland Security And Governmental Affairs 12/30/12
• Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. [“Review of the Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Facilities in Benghazi, Libya, September 11-12, 2012,” Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, 1/15/14
• House Committee on Foreign Affairs. [“Benghazi: Where is the State Department Accountability?,” Majority Staff Report – House Foreign Affairs Committee, 2/7/14
• House Committee on the Judiciary. [Interim Progress Report on Benghazi Investigation, 4/23/13
• House Committee on Armed Services. [“Armed Services Committee slams White House on Benghazi,” USA Today, 2/11/14
• House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. [“Investigative Report on the Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Facilities in Benghazi, Libya, September 11-12, 2012,” House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, 11/21/14
• Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs hearing, Homeland Threats and Agency Responses held 9/19/12. [Homeland Threats and Agency Responses, 9/19/12
• House Committee on Armed Services hearing, Full Committee Hearing on the Attack in Benghazi held 9/19/12. [Fact Sheet: HASC Oversight Activities on Libya, armedservices.house.gov]

I could fill 7 posts with this list alone...
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Sir_T
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bigjb62: #
There is good news. I'm going to pray for you.

Dear heavenly Father, I pray that if it be your will you open Mercedes eyes and heart to the truth and use her the bring more people into your fold, in Jesus name I pray, AMEN!


2 Corinthians 11:13-15
"For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds."

2 Timothy 4:3
"For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,"

Romans 16:18
"For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive."

What else can you say about people that invoke Christianity to defend someone who embodies the 7 deadly sins, not the 7 cardinal virtues. Namely sloth, rage, envy, gluttony, greed or avarice, lust, pride.

As opposed to chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience, kindness, and humility.
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bigjb62
bigjb62bigjb62Society Hill, South Carolina USA1 Threads 935 Posts
Governments punish evil-doers, and they also praise those who do good. As President, George Bush initiated the “thousand points of light” program to honor those making a special contribution to our society. Even in ancient times, heathen rulers recognized their responsibility to do the same. When the Persian king Ahasuerus could not sleep, he gave the order for the chronicles of his kingdom to be read to him, no doubt hoping he would be put to sleep by them. When the account was read of Mordecai’s disclosure of a plot to abduct the king, Ahazuerus immediately asked, “What honor or dignity has been bestowed on Mordecai for this?” (Esther 6:3). When told that nothing had been done to honor Mordecai, he made things right the next day. This heathen king understood the need to honor those who do well in his kingdom.

Government’s obligation is to praise the righteous and punish the wicked. Peter’s command to submit to civil authorities does not include a promise that we will always be praised by earthly authorities for the good things we have done. He does, however, infer that praise is certain for the Christian. We are not to live righteously primarily to obtain the praise of men. We are to live righteously in order to bring praise to God and to await His praise. And so Peter instructs us to submit ourselves “for the Lord’s sake” (verse 13). Submission is to be “as to the Lord” (Ephesians 5:22), “in the Lord” (Ephesians 6:1), and “for the Lord’s sake” (1 Peter 2:13). Our submission to civil authorities should be carried out as obedience to our Lord (see Romans 13:1-7). This is to be done in His strength and to His glory (see 1 Corinthians 10:31). If we submit in this way, we will receive praise from Him whom we serve, to whom we are ultimately in submission.
Verse 15

15 For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men.

Submission is doing what is right. Submission is doing the will of God. Submission by doing right is the way that we may, in the will of God, see the ignorance of foolish men silenced.

The ignorance of foolish men is that ignorance related to man’s condition in unbelief65 (see 1 Peter 1:14). Man’s ignorance of God and His ways often results in foolish accusations against believers. They may see our good deeds as evil and accuse us for doing good (see 2:12). Because government’s task is to reward men for doing well and to punish them for evil, civil authorities must also determine whether our actions are good or evil. Often this is carried out through the court system. Sometimes it is done directly by the king.

Because Daniel was faithful by diligently carrying out his duties in serving King Darius, God blessed his work. As Daniel was promoted by the king, his peers began to resent him, seeking to find some area of failure or wrong-doing in his life. They concluded they would only be able to accuse him in connection with his faith (Daniel 6:24-27). When the king was tricked into passing a law which was certain to make Daniel a law-breaker, the king reluctantly cast Daniel into the den of lions hoping that his God might save him. And his God did save him! The king joyfully received Daniel back alive and hastened to “silence” Daniel’s false accusers:
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Sir_T
Sir_TSir_TLimerick, Ireland4 Threads 598 Posts
bigjb62: Copy and Paste
While we are enjoying someone pressing CTRL +C and CTRL +V you can check out that there has a lot that has actually been written on Chrisitan civil disobeciance to evil civil authority.

Ask Pastor John Does Romans 13 Prohibit All Civil Disobedience?


Paul says to submit to the government God has established. ... I don't think Romans 13, the first paragraph there, rules out all civil disobedience ...
The Limits of Submission to Man | Desiring God


Jul 5, 1981 - Civil Disobedience in Biblical History ... How could Paul say in verse 3, for example, "Rulers are not a terror to good conduct but to bad"?
Paul and Civil Obedience in Romans 13:1-7 | Bible.org


Jun 24, 2004 - The study will examine Paul's teaching on the Christian's relation to the civil authorities as outlined in Romans 13:1-7 and then compare that ...
Biblical justice and civil disobedience - Centennial Institute


Biblical justice and civil disobedience - Centennial Institute



So its not true that the Bible says to do whatever Trump says no matter what. Of course Mr CTRL+V up there does not realise that if he was right, THAT MEANS HE HAD TO NOT CRITISISE OBUMMER EITHER!

Hypocrite.
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bigjb62
bigjb62bigjb62Society Hill, South Carolina USA1 Threads 935 Posts
Thus we have the command of our Lord through Peter to honor69 all men.

All men are to be given honor. We are to recognize that they have been created by God and are to be treated as His creatures. To honor men is to respect their dignity and even their individuality (for each is uniquely created by God—see Psalm 139).

We may define what it means to “honor” men in terms of what it means to “dishonor” men. Consider these texts which speak of dishonoring men:

21 “You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever shall say to his brother, ‘Raca,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever shall say, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty [enough to go] into the fiery hell (Matthew 5:21-22, emphasis mine).

1 My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with [an attitude of] personal favoritism. 2 For if a man comes into your assembly with a gold ring and dressed in fine clothes, and there also comes in a poor man in dirty clothes, 3 and you pay special attention to the one who is wearing the fine clothes, and say, “You sit here in a good place,” and you say to the poor man, “You stand over there, or sit down by my footstool,” 4 have you not made distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil motives? 5 Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor of this world [to be] rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? 6 But you have dishonored the poor man. Is it not the rich who oppress you and personally drag you into court? 7 Do they not blaspheme the fair name by which you have been called? 8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law, according to the Scripture, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin are convicted by the law as transgressors (James 2:1-9).

We dishonor men by thinking of them or calling them fools, those whom the world would be better off without. God made them. They have value and a contribution to make to this world. We dare not think of them as a detriment or we dishonor the One who created them. We also dishonor men by discriminating against them, giving preferential treatment to those who appear to be of higher value while demeaning those who seem to have little value—little to offer us, little to contribute. Discrimination dishonors men. Honoring men requires that we not judge them on the basis of appearances. It means that we dare not treat some men with dignity and others without dignity.

I see several areas where the application of this command is apparent on the surface. Racial discrimination is wrong, because it honors some men and dishonors others. The prison system often dehumanizes men and women and robs them and their families of all dignity. Strip searches of male inmates by female guards, for example, dehumanizes men. Often we fail to treat the elderly with dignity, especially in some institutions which are responsible to care for them. The poor are often humiliated and stripped of dignity by the way in which our welfare and public services are provided. To treat men as less than human is to put people in a category under us. Submitting to others begins by regarding them as having a dignity and honor which sets them above us and makes us their servants.

The arrangement of the instructions in verse 17 is meant to be instructive:

Honor all men; … love the brotherhood,
fear God, … honor the king

In addition to the arrangement, the terms “honor,” “love,” and “fear” are carefully chosen and distinguished.
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bigjb62
bigjb62bigjb62Society Hill, South Carolina USA1 Threads 935 Posts
Submission has a universal dimension which includes all mankind, without exception. All men are to be honored. The brotherhood of believers is to be loved. There is a greater degree of intimacy and contact, and relationship, between one believer and other saints. Thus, in Scripture, the believer has a higher level of obligation to believers than to unbelievers:

So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all men, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith (Galatians 6:10).

The king is to receive honor as the ultimate human authority over men. He is to be honored as a man, the “head man” we might say. But there is a limit to the “honor” he receives. He is only to be honored as a man and never to be worshipped as a god. For allowing others to worship him as such, Herod was put to death by God (Acts 12:20-23). And so Peter distinguishes between the “honor” the king is to be given and the “fear” God alone is to receive from the saints.70
Conclusion

In many ways, Peter is teaching the same things Paul teaches elsewhere (see Romans 13:1-7; Titus 3:1-2). There are some unique areas of emphasis we would do well to focus on in concluding our study. To begin, I call to your attention some significant things Peter does not say in this passage.

(1) Peter gives us no exceptions concerning submission to authority. Peter mentions no exceptions or instances in which one might be required not to submit to civil authorities. Amazingly, while Paul could claim that he never violated a Roman or Jewish law (Acts 25:8), Peter is the one who broke the law. Twice he escaped from jail (Acts 5:17-21; 12:1-17), and twice he informed the Jewish ruling body, the Sanhedrin, that he and the apostles could not obey their commands:

18 And when they had summoned them, they commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. 19 But Peter and John answered and said to them, “Whether it is right in the sight of God to give heed to you rather than to God, you be the judge; 20 for we cannot stop speaking what we have seen and heard” (Acts 4:18-20).

27 And when they had brought them, they stood them before the Council. And the high priest questioned them, 28 saying, “We gave you strict orders not to continue teaching in this name, and behold, you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and intend to bring this man’s blood upon us.” 29 But Peter and the apostles answered and said, “We must obey God rather than men” (Acts 5:27-29).

How then do we square Peter’s practice with his teaching? We must first recognize that these two “escapes” were not made by overpowering the guards or sawing through the prison bars with a concealed file. In both instances, an angel released Peter (and John), and in the second incident through most of the escape, Peter thought he was dreaming. In addition, the angel who set Peter and John free gave them a specific command about where they were to go and what they were to do. To obey the command of the Sanhedrin would require Peter and John to disobey the angel and God who spoke through the angel. Peter saw that his choice was one of obeying God or men, and there was little doubt as to whom he would obey.
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(3) Peter does not make the performance of government officials the basis for whether we submit to civil authorities. Peter makes it clear that government’s responsibility is to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. He does not tell us that we must submit only to those who, in our opinion, are performing well at their task. Peter tells us what God expects of governing authorities, not as a standard for what we should expect or demand, but as the basis for our respect. We are to respect civil authorities because of the dignity of the task God has given them, not because of their success at carrying out these duties. How often Christians excuse their disobedience because their superiors do not meet their expectations. These authorities (including elders, see Hebrews 13:17), will give account to God for their faithfulness in carrying out their task. We will give account for our obedience to God’s command to submit to them, whether they are worthy of it or not.

Having considered what Peter does not say on submission, let us move on to what he emphatically says.

(1) Peter’s teaching provides a different perspective of government. Christians today are becoming more and more suspicious of government as it seems to encroach on our religious freedoms. When Christians (or conservatives) are dominant in government, Christians breathe easily, but when “liberals” or “secular humanists” take control, we suddenly look at government differently. Let us remember that the government of Peter’s day was Rome, and the emperor at the end of Peter’s life was Nero. And yet Peter speaks of government not as our persecutor but as our protector. He speaks not of civil disobedience but of submission. He does not speak of government as our accuser but as the instrument through which false accusations are silenced. Let us look at government and respond to it as God has intended it to be, not as we fear it will be.

We should remember that while the Roman government played a crucial role in the execution of our Lord, it was also the Roman government which protected Paul and the preaching of the gospel. The decision of Gallio in Acts 18 resulted in the protection of Paul throughout his missionary journeys. Sometimes Paul preached the gospel while in chains and often at the side of a Roman soldier, but Roman authorities protected Paul from the wrath of Jewish and Gentile unbelievers.

(2) Peter’s teaching concerning submission to civil authority is based upon the very crucial premise of the sovereignty of God. Government is divinely ordained and exists only by the will of God. Its authority comes from God (see John 19:10-11). It achieves God’s purposes even when it fails to carry out its divinely given task. When God allows government to persecute Christians for well-doing rather than to praise them, even then His purposes are being accomplished. This was the early church’s comfort which must also be ours.

23 And when they had been released, they went to their own and reported all that the chief priests and the elders had said to them. 24 And when they heard they lifted their voices to God with one accord and said, “O Lord, it is Thou who DIDST MAKE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH AND THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM, 25 who by the Holy Spirit, the mouth of our father David Thy servant, didst say, ‘WHY DID THE GENTILES RAGE, AND THE PEOPLES DEVISE FUTILE THINGS? 26 THE KINGS OF THE EARTH TOOK THEIR STAND, AND THE RULERS WERE GATHERED TOGETHER AGAINST THE LORD, AND AGAINST HIS CHRIST.’ 27 “For truly in this city there were gathered together against Thy holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28 to do whatever Thy hand and Thy purpose predestined to occur” (Acts 4:23-28).
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