A question for those paying child support to their former spouse (37)

Jan 9, 2007 10:51 PM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
theborg
theborgtheborgnorth bay, Ontario Canada6 Threads 109 Posts
For those of us out there paying child support, what is your opinion on what expenses are expected to be covered with the money you are giving your ex spouse?

For example: Would the cost of a pair of skates, a new bike or the cost associated with registring your child(ren) into a recreational program - be it a sport or cultural activity such as music lessons, dance, be covered by child support or is it a separate thing altogheter with the cost shared between the two parents?

I am sure there is a legal precedent somewhere. Has anyone experienced this situation and want to share either opinion or factual information on the purpose of child support?

Thanks in advance for your inputs

From snowy North Bay,

Sylvain sends
Jan 9, 2007 11:08 PM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
funloving
funlovingfunlovingwinnipeg, Manitoba Canada2 Threads 24 Posts
I am not paying child support I am on the receiving end of it but I would like to give you my opinion. I feel that as long as I use the money he send towards things that are for the kids whether it be new clothes or paying for fees for an activity then he really should not have a problem with how I am spending the money. But if I was to start using the money for my own self then yes i could understand him having a problem with what I was doing. Thats my opinion as long as it is going towards the care of the children it should not matter.
Jan 10, 2007 12:32 AM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
twingles
twinglestwinglesEdmonton, Alberta Canada46 Threads 703 Posts
For myself.. he pays support which goes to just general needs. Anything extra as in sports is a shared cost. Even though I would not ask for it.. but it is court ordered that we share the cost. It is the same for my boys that live with him. He could ask me to pay for half of thier sport and I would have. We just have a personal arrangment that we don't ask each other.
Jan 10, 2007 4:39 AM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
Spagooch
SpagoochSpagoochSt. Catharines, Canada21 Threads 387 Posts
As a payer of child support in Ontario, there are no legal parameters as to what the payee spends the money on. I don't agree that there should be. Basically the payer has no say whatsoever. Myself, I have to trust that my kids mum spends it responsibly. The last thing I want to have to worry about is what my ex is spending her money on. On the other hand, it is a given for me that if I saw that my kids were not getting the nesessities of life because of misspending, than it becomes a question of custody.

The purpose of child support is for the non-custodial parent to pay his (most cases) legal and morally responsible share of his/her child's living expenses, that they would pay anyway if the parents were together. In my opinion, any man/woman who shirks, weasels out of, or avoids paying...is the lowest form of a man/woman. 1 step above wife beaters and child molestors in my book. That of course is if he can pay, but doesn't. As my ex is on a limited income, I cover certain things above and beyond the support I pay such as all seasonal outerwear and footwear. Its not that Im giving money to my ex. Im paying for a quality of life for my kids...I do it happily and gladly with no complaint.

So North Bay, put whatever feelings towards your ex aside and do whatever you can for your kids. If you are financially capable, suck it up and pay for whatever you can. You are only nickel and diming your kids if you don't, not your ex. If your ex is not responsible with the money you give and you can prove it, then it is a matter for family court.peace
Jan 10, 2007 4:53 AM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
Spagooch
SpagoochSpagoochSt. Catharines, Canada21 Threads 387 Posts
Just for the record Sylvain, I am in no way suggesting you are trying to avoid your child suppoert responsibilities. If you can afford it, and it makes your kids happy, than why not? eh? I do look for ways to not get into additional disputes with my ex. A happy fragmented family is a cooperative fragmented family!


Renepeace
Jan 10, 2007 5:52 AM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
Sylvain,
I agree with Spagooch advice regarding the support for the children. You really don't want to narrow it down to nickels, and dimes, and if you can afford it so much the better. it's all about the kids, not your ex. However, like Spagooch says if you have an issue with the way your ex is spending the support money, and you have proof of squandering, then you can consider taking this up with Family Court. Also depending on where you live, your cost of living, as well as your earnings may be admitted to see how much you are capable of paying. Best of luck to you Borg!
Jan 10, 2007 10:13 AM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
foxyone1
foxyone1foxyone1Quesnel BC, British Columbia Canada50 Threads 1,772 Posts
well,, for those moms and dads,, that receive child support,, that money can be used for toward your mortgage payment or your rent,, towards the phone bill,, towards the hydro bill,, all things that your growing child would use,, legally,, i am sure most responsible parents do use it responsibly
Jan 10, 2007 1:33 PM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
Lynx_78
Lynx_78Lynx_78Edmonton, Alberta Canada1 Threads 33 Posts
Hi I am new here to CS! I have just recently gone through all the legalities of child support and extraordinary costs. The child support payments go towards clothes, bills, groceries etc... for the child. When the time comes for sports, extracurricular activities etc... then it becomes a shared cost based on the incomes for both the parents vs the total income. Each parent would pay their percentage for the extracurricular activities, school fees, daycare... For costumes, school supplies etc..that is the responsibility of the parent who has custody of the child unless it causes extreme undo hardship. However, if the parent with custody gets out of control and enrolls the child in too many programs all at once than it is only the responsibility of the other parent to pay their legal percentage for approx 2 programs at any given point.

I do not feel it is necessary for any child to be in more than two programs at once and I believe it should be what the child wants to do not what the parent wants them to do. For instance my daughter loves dance and I put her into it. Her father has still never paid a dime towards it, but it is what she loves so I do it for her. I just wish that all parents would do what is right for their children and not use their anger to hurt the children.

Talk to you all soon!!
Jan 10, 2007 2:15 PM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
Pucks
PucksPucksVernon, Canada107 Threads 3,326 Posts
i dont pay child support. my kids live with me half the time.
Mom and i share any extraordinary expenses. We take turns with some things too. It sure helps to get along with the ex.
Jan 10, 2007 8:44 PM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
theborg
theborgtheborgnorth bay, Ontario Canada6 Threads 109 Posts
Folks,

Thanks for your opinion!

I kind of knew which way to go on this one.

Seems to me that sharing the expenses associated with these activities IS the way to go.

Nice to have check and balance to validate your options

From frigid North Bay,

Sylvain sends
Feb 14, 2007 5:31 AM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
gentleperson4
gentleperson4gentleperson4Burlington, Ontario Canada8 Threads 116 Posts
child support given directly to the spouse who takes care of the child full time should be for basics, shelter, food, transportation, clothes & allowance. Anything extra I feel should be decided between the parents paid for 50/50, as you have mentioned. Also, I feel if the spouse not the full time caregiver is seeking to spend time with the child, should be able to deduct the cost of travelling to and from the childs home from the spouses support given.

A lot of men do not like just handling over the money without any control of where it is spent. I think that is why a lot of men are upset and I agree.

If only any monies spent to benefit the child could be deducted from child support would be a great thing to have. Keep your receipts.

Curious, why you are asking
Feb 14, 2007 5:35 AM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
gentleperson4
gentleperson4gentleperson4Burlington, Ontario Canada8 Threads 116 Posts
child support given directly to the spouse who takes care of the child full time should be for basics, shelter, food, transportation, clothes & allowance. Anything extra I feel should be decided between the parents paid for 50/50, as you have mentioned. Also, I feel if the spouse not the full time caregiver is seeking to spend time with the child, should be able to deduct the cost of travelling to and from the childs home from the spouses support given.

A lot of men do not like just handling over the money without any control of where it is spent. I think that is why a lot of men are upset and I agree.

If only any monies spent to benefit the child could be deducted from child support would be a great thing to have. Keep your receipts.

They change the laws all the time.frustrated
Feb 14, 2007 5:41 AM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
gentleperson4
gentleperson4gentleperson4Burlington, Ontario Canada8 Threads 116 Posts
help angel
Feb 14, 2007 5:42 AM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
gentleperson4
gentleperson4gentleperson4Burlington, Ontario Canada8 Threads 116 Posts
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Feb 14, 2007 8:26 AM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
arthurdent
arthurdentarthurdentspamilton, Ontario Canada13 Threads 490 Posts
Resentment is easily built in this situation and most of it from the lack of accountability. I'd agreed to pay support as long as my kids were to continue post secondary education which I am for one of them.

What becomes an issue for me is that I see her buying new clothes, furniture, etc for herself and hear him complain that he needs new shoes. Add to this that he is living in residence and has been granted an Ontario Student Assistance Loan. When he returns home for the summer he may well spend at least half that time with me as he was spending close to that earlier.

I'll be reviewing the terms of the agreement later today and may well stop payments soon enough until I see some accountability - required by law from her or not.

I've given her a considerable amount over the past few years and am not seeing where it is going and it is frustrating to say the least.

As to paying mortgage and taxes: these are fixed costs that are not increased one cent by the addition of extra people under a roof, so I do not agree that these costs be part of the payments. Electricity, water and gas will increase I agree as they are billed by usage. Telephone (barring long distance), cable and internet remain the same regardless of usage.
Feb 14, 2007 10:03 AM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
coldlakeprincess
coldlakeprincesscoldlakeprincessCold Lake, Alberta Canada34 Threads 226 Posts
For my ex and I what we decided to do is everything he gets for Haley there he faxes me the reciepts and I pay half...like clothes and all that for recreational activities we both discuss what it is make a decision and if it s a go then we split the cost down the middle.....I give him 150 a month for groceries and we meet each other half way for visits we live in different provinces he drives half the distance and I drive half the distance...it works for us!
Feb 14, 2007 10:21 AM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
wolfdogs1000
wolfdogs1000wolfdogs1000Vermilion, Alberta Canada26 Threads 496 Posts
check with a lawyer but as I understand it you can pay the support DIRECTLY to the child once they are of a certain age...
Feb 14, 2007 10:32 AM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
Tapestry
TapestryTapestryRichmond Hill, Ontario Canada2 Threads 222 Posts
It seems to me that you are not required to pay support under the circumstances. (Except for your agreement, but that can be amended given the circumstances)

Your son doesn't live with his mom and therefore there are no food or daily costs borne by her while he's in residence.

The law is pretty clear on your last paragraph....

If your son is with you 50% of the time, the most recent changes to the law dictate that you don't have to pay support at all.

Maybe the best thing would be for you to give the money directly to your son so that he can buy himself shoes, food, clothing, bus passes, etc.

Good luck to ya!!
Feb 14, 2007 12:02 PM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
Pucks
PucksPucksVernon, Canada107 Threads 3,326 Posts
its 40% plus of the time in British Columbia. Doesnt have to be exactly 50% in order for their to be no child support payable here to the other party. I am guessing that not all provinces are the same in their child support regulations.
Feb 14, 2007 8:43 PM CST A question for those paying child support to their former spouse
arthurdent
arthurdentarthurdentspamilton, Ontario Canada13 Threads 490 Posts
Well, I had thought to check with my lawyer and your comments reinforce that option.
cheers,
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