US, SETS HIGHEST CORONA RATE INCREASE YET (And Deaths) Just overnight.. (107)
OAN !!!!
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Elon Musk is just mad they locked down his plant. In April he said COVID would vanish in MAY!!!!
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Elon Musk thinks the surge in coronavirus cases is due to testing errors, but a virologist is debunking that 'dangerous misinformation'
Elon Musk took to Twitter on Thursday to claim that testing errors, rather than increasing transmission, are driving the recent surge in coronavirus cases across the US.
"There are a ridiculous number of false positive tests," Musk wrote. "This is a big part of why C19 positive tests are going up while hospitalizations & mortality are declining."
But Columbia University virologist Angela Rasmussen called that "false and dangerous misinformation," and the two got into an online spat as she debunked Musk's claims.
Diagnostic COVID-19 tests don't give false positives often enough to account for the recent spike of cases, she said. Since June 15, the seven-day rolling average for daily new cases has more than doubled, and the country's total case count has jumped from 2.1 million to more than 2.7 million.
Contrary to Musk's claim, hospitalizations are rising in places with new outbreaks. In Texas, for example, daily COVID-19 hospitalizations have more than doubled in the last two weeks.
Elon Musk took to Twitter on Thursday to claim that testing errors, rather than increasing transmission, are driving the recent surge in coronavirus cases across the US.
"There are a ridiculous number of false positive tests," Musk wrote. "This is a big part of why C19 positive tests are going up while hospitalizations & mortality are declining."
But Columbia University virologist Angela Rasmussen called that "false and dangerous misinformation," and the two got into an online spat as she debunked Musk's claims.
Diagnostic COVID-19 tests don't give false positives often enough to account for the recent spike of cases, she said. Since June 15, the seven-day rolling average for daily new cases has more than doubled, and the country's total case count has jumped from 2.1 million to more than 2.7 million.
Contrary to Musk's claim, hospitalizations are rising in places with new outbreaks. In Texas, for example, daily COVID-19 hospitalizations have more than doubled in the last two weeks.
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People do not die the day they are infected or the day they enter a hospital, skewing the facts to fit an agenda is a disservice and misleading.
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The next time Mr. Bacon has brain surgery he can call on Mr. Musk to perform it for him.
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Wrong again Lizard, for example, G. W. Biotech swabs, claims a specificity rate of 99%, with a 1% false-positive, still the 99% figure is never accurate...in many circumstances, it can be a lot worse varying from company to company where specificity is even lower.
The validity of a test also depends on the technology used in the lab and sampling. Dr. H. Gilbert indicates an antibody test can be extremely inaccurate in a population where there is little COVID19 exposure. Similar to most blood marker tests and other swab systems. Even after being injected by a yearly flu shot can give a false-positive result and it has happened.
Any test can actually be 50% wrong half the time and why Dr. Birx from the White House expects a minimum accuracy of 90%. If you use a 90% accuracy swab with 1% having COVID19 more than 90% of the positive results can be false positive. Becton Dickinson claims there's are 91%...EU 95%. They all have varying accuracies and even populated areas in comparison to others vary and why Musk's researcher is basically right.
You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
Positive then negative, four hours apart': Accuracy of COVID-19 testing in question.
How Accurate Are Coronavirus Tests?
Although tests can perform well in ideal laboratory conditions, in real life many factors affect accuracy.
THE CONVERSATION
PUBLISHED 16 APRIL 2020
The validity of a test also depends on the technology used in the lab and sampling. Dr. H. Gilbert indicates an antibody test can be extremely inaccurate in a population where there is little COVID19 exposure. Similar to most blood marker tests and other swab systems. Even after being injected by a yearly flu shot can give a false-positive result and it has happened.
Any test can actually be 50% wrong half the time and why Dr. Birx from the White House expects a minimum accuracy of 90%. If you use a 90% accuracy swab with 1% having COVID19 more than 90% of the positive results can be false positive. Becton Dickinson claims there's are 91%...EU 95%. They all have varying accuracies and even populated areas in comparison to others vary and why Musk's researcher is basically right.
You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
Positive then negative, four hours apart': Accuracy of COVID-19 testing in question.
How Accurate Are Coronavirus Tests?
Although tests can perform well in ideal laboratory conditions, in real life many factors affect accuracy.
THE CONVERSATION
PUBLISHED 16 APRIL 2020
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its interesting how "Research-Scientists" find the time to do the Talkshow-Circuit!
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sure glad all that rioting didn't have anything to do with that Upswing!
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Conrad73: its interesting how "Research-Scientists" find the time to do the Talkshow-Circuit!
Yes and ridiculous how many people can take a WORLDWIDE Pandemic and try to Twist it up, Manipulate and MINIMISE it because they personally have not had have a close family or friend who was affected, Even providing them Worldwide Facts, and they just still can't get it... but yet they will seek for attention even at their own expense, and even started another thread trying to Discredit the Virus all together....Sometimes You just can't fix stupid Conrad....
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rizlared: There are no mass burials, these are real people, mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers, they are being kept in makeshift Mortuaries until they can be cremated at a family funeral.
Making light of those who died is insensitive and IMO disgusting, and those doing so should be ashamed.
I totally agree Rizlared..Making light of those who died is insensitive and IMO disgusting, and those doing so should be ashamed.
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Orzzz: It doesn't matter what body count. It doesn't matter where it came from. Only where it is going. It exists. Contact spreads it. Simple facts that people can't seem to grasp. And it is easy to be cocky about it until one gets it. Certain details are emerging. Like the fact you may NEVER taste that bar booze or anything again. Like you fav elder you gave it to dies. Like you may have lung damage the rest of your life.
If you think it is a joke and symptoms you can live with, ask someone with COPD, heart failure, diabetes, chronic fatigue symptom. All those "fun" diseases one can contract through NO fault of their own.
See if they think you are cool for tempting fate.
Ask one of the people who died from it. It is SUPER important to them. Oh, sorry, can't ask someone who is dead.
Now go kick a hive of African bees or cover yourself with cow blood and go swimming in the ocean with some great whites. I will be happy to video tape it.
Thank You...Their are still a FEW people, who still have some sense...If you think it is a joke and symptoms you can live with, ask someone with COPD, heart failure, diabetes, chronic fatigue symptom. All those "fun" diseases one can contract through NO fault of their own.
See if they think you are cool for tempting fate.
Ask one of the people who died from it. It is SUPER important to them. Oh, sorry, can't ask someone who is dead.
Now go kick a hive of African bees or cover yourself with cow blood and go swimming in the ocean with some great whites. I will be happy to video tape it.
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Conrad73: its interesting how "Research-Scientists" find the time to do the Talkshow-Circuit!
What's more interesting is how ungrateful, ungracious and sneering the least informed people are...I know some of those research scientists, and I can assure you the last thing they have is time for any kind of circuit..other than the circuit to and from work..where they go every day to work ungodly hours so that they can come up with a vaccine that might one day save your life.
The few that are on some sort of talk show circuit aren't the ones who will come up with the solution..they're just egos in search of glory.....
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GeneralBeacon: Told you so.
China Never Reported Existence of Coronavirus to World Health Organization.
WHO backtracks on original claim that China self-reported, admits this never happened.
Contrary to claims from both Chinese officials and the World Health Organization, China did not report the existence of the coronavirus in late 2019, according to a WHO timeline tracking the spread of the virus. Rather, international health officials discovered the virus through information posted to a U.S. website.
The quiet admission from the international health organization, which posted an "updated" timeline to its website this week, flies in the face of claims from some of its top officials, including WHO director general Tedros Adhanom, who maintained for months that China had informed his organization about the emerging sickness.
China and its allies at the WHO insisted in multiple interviews and press conferences that China came to the health organization with information about the virus. This is now known to be false. The WHO’s backtracking lends credibility to a recent congressional investigation that determined China concealed information about the virus and did not initially inform the WHO, as it was required to do.
The WHO’s updated timeline, posted online this week, now states that officials first learned about the virus on Dec. 31, 2019, through information posted on a U.S. website by doctors working in Wuhan, where the virus first emerged. This contradicts the agency’s initial timeline, which said that China first presented this information at that date.
That initial timeline stated that the "Wuhan Municipal Health Commission, China, reported a cluster of cases of pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei Province" on Dec. 31.
These claims were carried in numerous American media outlets that relied on the WHO’s inaccurate timeline, including CNN and Axios.
Chinese officials and state-controlled media also claimed for months that the communist regime informed the WHO on or around Dec. 31. In recent days, however, Chinese officials have dropped that talking point.
Rep. Michael McCaul (Texas), lead Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee and a member of Congress’s China Task Force, was one of the first lawmakers to expose China’s lies about reporting the virus. An interim congressional report on the virus’s origins published last month first disclosed the fact that the WHO found out about the virus from online postings, not China.
"I’m glad to see the WHO and the Chinese Communist Party have both read my interim report on the origins of the pandemic and are finally admitting to the world the truth—the CCP never reported the virus outbreak to the WHO in violation of WHO regulation," McCaul told the Washington Free Beacon in a statement. "The question now is whether the CCP will continue their false propaganda campaign that continues to claim they warned the world, or whether they will come clean and begin to work with the world health community to get to the bottom of this deadly pandemic."
McCaul’s report makes clear that WHO director general Adhanom parroted China’s claim about self-reporting the virus.
"Director General Tedros actively engaged in an effort to defend the CCP’s leadership from criticism, negatively impacting the world’s understanding of the virus and hampering the global response effort," the report concluded.
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It's not like we didn't get years and years of warning...we've had enough viruses come out of china for the last 20 years to let us know that one day one of them is going to be serious. The French minister of health ( a woman by the way) knew it, stocked up and was laughed at...then they let the stock of PPE deplete..if memory serves, that was back in 2009...China Never Reported Existence of Coronavirus to World Health Organization.
WHO backtracks on original claim that China self-reported, admits this never happened.
Contrary to claims from both Chinese officials and the World Health Organization, China did not report the existence of the coronavirus in late 2019, according to a WHO timeline tracking the spread of the virus. Rather, international health officials discovered the virus through information posted to a U.S. website.
The quiet admission from the international health organization, which posted an "updated" timeline to its website this week, flies in the face of claims from some of its top officials, including WHO director general Tedros Adhanom, who maintained for months that China had informed his organization about the emerging sickness.
China and its allies at the WHO insisted in multiple interviews and press conferences that China came to the health organization with information about the virus. This is now known to be false. The WHO’s backtracking lends credibility to a recent congressional investigation that determined China concealed information about the virus and did not initially inform the WHO, as it was required to do.
The WHO’s updated timeline, posted online this week, now states that officials first learned about the virus on Dec. 31, 2019, through information posted on a U.S. website by doctors working in Wuhan, where the virus first emerged. This contradicts the agency’s initial timeline, which said that China first presented this information at that date.
That initial timeline stated that the "Wuhan Municipal Health Commission, China, reported a cluster of cases of pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei Province" on Dec. 31.
These claims were carried in numerous American media outlets that relied on the WHO’s inaccurate timeline, including CNN and Axios.
Chinese officials and state-controlled media also claimed for months that the communist regime informed the WHO on or around Dec. 31. In recent days, however, Chinese officials have dropped that talking point.
Rep. Michael McCaul (Texas), lead Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee and a member of Congress’s China Task Force, was one of the first lawmakers to expose China’s lies about reporting the virus. An interim congressional report on the virus’s origins published last month first disclosed the fact that the WHO found out about the virus from online postings, not China.
"I’m glad to see the WHO and the Chinese Communist Party have both read my interim report on the origins of the pandemic and are finally admitting to the world the truth—the CCP never reported the virus outbreak to the WHO in violation of WHO regulation," McCaul told the Washington Free Beacon in a statement. "The question now is whether the CCP will continue their false propaganda campaign that continues to claim they warned the world, or whether they will come clean and begin to work with the world health community to get to the bottom of this deadly pandemic."
McCaul’s report makes clear that WHO director general Adhanom parroted China’s claim about self-reporting the virus.
"Director General Tedros actively engaged in an effort to defend the CCP’s leadership from criticism, negatively impacting the world’s understanding of the virus and hampering the global response effort," the report concluded.
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rizlared: There are no mass burials, these are real people, mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers, they are being kept in makeshift Mortuaries until they can be cremated at a family funeral.
Making light of those who died is insensitive and IMO disgusting, and those doing so should be ashamed.
You CLAIM that their are NO Mass Burials, and when Hundreds of Pics.all over the world were provided, You get insensitive...Making light of those who died is insensitive and IMO disgusting, and those doing so should be ashamed.
It has been on Every News Channel, Newspapers, and every other type of News in the World, so Why would the truth, and facts be discredited? I Published NOTHING...More that and awareness to the people who forgot to set their Clocks...
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mikey4691: Where are all these bodies?? Just curious??
They are buried or cremated, like everyone else who dies. In the earliest days of the pandemic, we saw bodies being loaded into refrigerator trucks because morgues were full. Inside hospitals, we saw video of bodies in white bags propped up in storage rooms, and even "sitting" in chairs in various rooms around the hospital.
The public quickly learned how deadly COVID-19 is. We don't need to keep seeing the overflow of bodies.
We know the virus is surging again, just as Dr. Fauci predicted. Houston ICU beds are full, and other hot-spot cities are at near capacity.
Meanwhile, Trump continues to unravel. The reality show imbecile has come face to face with actual reality, and as usual it has defeated him. We are all paying the price.
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blathin: What's more interesting is how ungrateful, ungracious and sneering the least informed people are...
I know some of those research scientists, and I can assure you the last thing they have is time for any kind of circuit..other than the circuit to and from work..where they go every day to work ungodly hours so that they can come up with a vaccine that might one day save your life.
The few that are on some sort of talk show circuit aren't the ones who will come up with the solution..they're just egos in search of glory.....
it's the Publicityhounds I was talking about,but you have a knack to see things out of context!I know some of those research scientists, and I can assure you the last thing they have is time for any kind of circuit..other than the circuit to and from work..where they go every day to work ungodly hours so that they can come up with a vaccine that might one day save your life.
The few that are on some sort of talk show circuit aren't the ones who will come up with the solution..they're just egos in search of glory.....
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@ bodleing,
Thank You for Posting the above....
Hopefully some will read it, as I did...
Thank You for Posting the above....
Hopefully some will read it, as I did...
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mikey4691: Where are all these bodies?? Just curious??
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HotrodLarrys: @ bodleing,
Thank You for Posting the above....
Hopefully some will read it, as I did...
Thanks.Thank You for Posting the above....
Hopefully some will read it, as I did...
For me, the saddest part of all this has been the families that weren't able to be with their loved ones as they slowly faded and passed away. I've seen and heard so many harrowing first hand reports from distraught families who could not be with, or even see thier elderly parents or grandparents for a last time to say goodbye or hold their hands as they slipped away.
This has been a truly traumatic time for so many, my heart goes out to them.
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Musk also shared recent CDC data showing a decrease in hospitalizations related to COVID19. Musk wrote, “As you’d expect, this has resulted in a proportionately very high number of C19 false positives, ” adding that at best case, testing reliability is at “worst case 50% false positive.”
Elon check this CDC data out, shows decrease in hospitalizations, it's all false positive results combined with increase in access to testing
— Pranay Pathole (@PPathole) July 2, 2020