snowlynx: Ireland certainly is (Eire is an out of date title), our navy are going to intercept your navy in the Irish sea. In fact we might just invade the Isle of Man, just to let you know we are serious...
tomcatty: @aragorn, is Eire going to stick a finger up at the Royal Navy??
We would be willing but there's probably no need.
UK Navy: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision.
Irish Radio Person: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.
UK Navy: This is the Captain of a UK Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.
Irish Radio Person: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course.
UK Navy: This is the aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elisabeth, the largest ship in the UK fleet. We are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels. I demand that YOU change your course 15 degrees north, that's one five degrees north, or countermeasures will be undertaken to ensure the safety of this ship.
Aragorn11: We would be willing but there's probably no need.
UK Navy: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision.
Irish Radio Person: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.
UK Navy: This is the Captain of a UK Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.
Irish Radio Person: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course.
UK Navy: This is the aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elisabeth, the largest ship in the UK fleet. We are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels. I demand that YOU change your course 15 degrees north, that's one five degrees north, or countermeasures will be undertaken to ensure the safety of this ship.
Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call.
Well... the Canadians'd need a new lighthouse, I'm afraid. UK is so dumb.
Aragorn11: We would be willing but there's probably no need.
UK Navy: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision.
Irish Radio Person: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.
UK Navy: This is the Captain of a UK Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.
Irish Radio Person: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course.
UK Navy: This is the aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elisabeth, the largest ship in the UK fleet. We are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels. I demand that YOU change your course 15 degrees north, that's one five degrees north, or countermeasures will be undertaken to ensure the safety of this ship.
Michael Cavanagh stands on the quayside in Killybegs, Ireland’s largest fishing harbour. He points at a docked trawler in Co Donegal port to give a sense of how large his own fishing boat is.
The Father McKee is the Greencastle man’s 65m trawler and is out with his sons in the north Bay of Biscay off France fishing for boarfish, a small fish used to make meal for feeding salmon. Cavanagh does not fish anymore – “too many birthdays”, says the 70-year-old.
The UK’s decision to exit the European Union and the potential closing of soon-to-be British waters, on top of existing restrictions, has made life stormier onshore for Irish fishermen like Cavanagh.
“We have more challenges ashore than when we are at sea,” says Cavanagh, buffeted by blustery Donegal weather on the quayside.
Even before negotiations on a trade deal between the EU and UK start on Monday, the two sides have already clashed over fishing rights. Fishing, it is feared, could be the biggest obstacle to a deal.
Brussels has tied any post-Brexit free trade agreement to a reciprocal deal on fisheries that will allow EU boats to fish in British waters and British-caught fish to be sold in EU markets.
In stark contrast, Britain’s negotiating position, set out last week, does not include fisheries as part of any future trade deal. Instead, the UK wants to stop European fishing vessels from accessing British waters and to negotiate any access and permitted catches on an annual basis.
Even though fishing accounts for just 0.1 per cent of the UK economy, the sector has become totemic of Boris Johnson’s dogged “take back control” political agenda heading into the trade negotiations. Protecting British waters have become a visceral symbol of Johnson’s post-Brexit vision. It is not surprising; Brexit and his trade plans enjoy strong support in the UK’s depleted coastal fishing communities. However, there are practical problems to his negotiating position.
"The idea that the EU had “stolen” our fish was one of the myths that fuelled Brexit. In truth, English fishermen sold off their quotas to foreign operators in the 1990s – in contrast to Scotland where 96% remains in Scottish hands. The UK exports 80% of the fish that it catches, mainly to EU countries. And fishing is a tiny industry contributing little to our economy or employment. It is the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea that requires Britain to negotiate access to its waters for its neighbours – and there is little chance that a politically and economically significant trade deal will be scuppered over fishing.
The eventual UK-EU deal will be perhaps the first trade agreement in history to envisage more friction rather than less, less economic cooperation and regulatory alignment rather than more. Both sides will be worse off because of it, though the UK is three times as exposed and will be the biggest loser"
tomcatty: Michael Cavanagh stands on the quayside in Killybegs, Ireland’s largest fishing harbour. He points at a docked trawler in Co Donegal port to give a sense of how large his own fishing boat is.
The Father McKee is the Greencastle man’s 65m trawler and is out with his sons in the north Bay of Biscay off France fishing for boarfish, a small fish used to make meal for feeding salmon. Cavanagh does not fish anymore – “too many birthdays”, says the 70-year-old.
The UK’s decision to exit the European Union and the potential closing of soon-to-be British waters, on top of existing restrictions, has made life stormier onshore for Irish fishermen like Cavanagh.
“We have more challenges ashore than when we are at sea,” says Cavanagh, buffeted by blustery Donegal weather on the quayside.
Even before negotiations on a trade deal between the EU and UK start on Monday, the two sides have already clashed over fishing rights. Fishing, it is feared, could be the biggest obstacle to a deal.
Brussels has tied any post-Brexit free trade agreement to a reciprocal deal on fisheries that will allow EU boats to fish in British waters and British-caught fish to be sold in EU markets.
In stark contrast, Britain’s negotiating position, set out last week, does not include fisheries as part of any future trade deal. Instead, the UK wants to stop European fishing vessels from accessing British waters and to negotiate any access and permitted catches on an annual basis.
Even though fishing accounts for just 0.1 per cent of the UK economy, the sector has become totemic of Boris Johnson’s dogged “take back control” political agenda heading into the trade negotiations. Protecting British waters have become a visceral symbol of Johnson’s post-Brexit vision. It is not surprising; Brexit and his trade plans enjoy strong support in the UK’s depleted coastal fishing communities. However, there are practical problems to his negotiating position.
You do know the English have sold off most of their fishing rights and its just posturing ? Also fish don't recognise borders, so to prevent overfishing there has been an accord within all the countries concerned to all members benefit. It's a complex issue. I think its just pandering to the base & jingoism on johnson's part given how negligible the industry is in the overall scheme of things.
Tulefell: "The idea that the EU had “stolen” our fish was one of the myths that fuelled Brexit. In truth, English fishermen sold off their quotas to foreign operators in the 1990s – in contrast to Scotland where 96% remains in Scottish hands. The UK exports 80% of the fish that it catches, mainly to EU countries. And fishing is a tiny industry contributing little to our economy or employment. It is the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea that requires Britain to negotiate access to its waters for its neighbours – and there is little chance that a politically and economically significant trade deal will be scuppered over fishing.
The eventual UK-EU deal will be perhaps the first trade agreement in history to envisage more friction rather than less, less economic cooperation and regulatory alignment rather than more. Both sides will be worse off because of it, though the UK is three times as exposed and will be the biggest loser"
Aragorn11: You do know the English have sold off most of their fishing rights and its just posturing ? Also fish don't recognise borders, so to prevent overfishing there has been an accord within all the countries concerned to all members benefit. It's a complex issue. I think its just pandering to the base & jingoism on johnson's part given how negligible the industry is in the overall scheme of things.
The borders are not for the fish but the fishers BoJo is carrying out the will of the people, and demanding full sovereign rights of Great Britain.
tomcatty: The borders are not for the fish but the fishers BoJo is carrying out the will of the people, and demanding full sovereign rights of Great Britain.
The waters are ours, this is the issue.
I understand that and as far as I'm concerned you're welcome to them
Tulefell: There I live, he's known as a liar. His huge majority means there are a lot of gullible fools in Ingerlund.
Not just where you live He got sacked from The Times for making up quotes, to back his argument in his column. He has cheated on every woman he has been with, at least it seems that way He was caught on tape conspiring to have a journalist beaten & the media don't even know how many children he has
A fine leader for the british people and during a pandemic and Brexit he is the man leading it
Aragorn11: Not just where you live He got sacked from The Times for making up quotes, to back his argument in his column. He has cheated on every woman he has been with, at least it seems that way He was caught on tape conspiring to have a journalist beaten & the media don't even know how many children he has
A fine leader for the british people and during a pandemic and Brexit he is the man leading it
Well... my deepest sympathy to people, who didn't vote for Brexit or for Johnson. But even more sympathy to people in EU, who will suffer because of all economical decline this clown caused.
Tulefell: Well... my deepest sympathy to people, who didn't vote for Brexit or for Johnson. But even more sympathy to people in EU, who will suffer because of all economical decline this clown caused.
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