Science proves kids are bad for Earth. Morality suggests we stop having them. (17)
Nearly every government in the richer parts of the world is in a panic because the birthrate is dropping. Nearly every government in Europe is encouraging immigrants to flood in to make up the shortfall because people are living longer and fewer babies are being born and who is going to pay for the support of the geriatric population in the years to come?
Not the wealthy, for sure. If you're rich, you don't have to pay taxes. You've hugely supported that in other posts.
Not the children and grandchildren because, oops, there aren't enough of them.
So ...
The US birthrate has dropped to its lowest point ever. The Chinese birthrate is at its lowest in 7 decades, despite China scrapping their 1 child rule 20 years ago. Africa IS pumping out kids at a higher rate, and their chances of surviving infancy are going up, but most countries are anxiously trying for more children because whoooo, long term is going to be a problem. Human life started in Africa, how ironic if it is to end there too.
A more efficient covid, one that wipes out much higher percentages of the infirm and the over 70s, is probably the only solution.
And hey, one other quibble, "Science" is not an entity. What any one scientist says, another will almost immediately disprove. There is only scientific theory, based on opinion, tested where possible, and while many theories are generally accepted as fact, by nearly all scientists, "science" is in a constant state of flux. So really what you should have said is "one scientific theory" holds there are too many children while another will promptly respond "there are too many low-class children and not enough middle-class and not nearly enough actual movers and shakers", while another insists more, more and even more are required.
Not the wealthy, for sure. If you're rich, you don't have to pay taxes. You've hugely supported that in other posts.
Not the children and grandchildren because, oops, there aren't enough of them.
So ...
The US birthrate has dropped to its lowest point ever. The Chinese birthrate is at its lowest in 7 decades, despite China scrapping their 1 child rule 20 years ago. Africa IS pumping out kids at a higher rate, and their chances of surviving infancy are going up, but most countries are anxiously trying for more children because whoooo, long term is going to be a problem. Human life started in Africa, how ironic if it is to end there too.
A more efficient covid, one that wipes out much higher percentages of the infirm and the over 70s, is probably the only solution.
And hey, one other quibble, "Science" is not an entity. What any one scientist says, another will almost immediately disprove. There is only scientific theory, based on opinion, tested where possible, and while many theories are generally accepted as fact, by nearly all scientists, "science" is in a constant state of flux. So really what you should have said is "one scientific theory" holds there are too many children while another will promptly respond "there are too many low-class children and not enough middle-class and not nearly enough actual movers and shakers", while another insists more, more and even more are required.
suziecute: Nearly every government in the richer parts of the world is in a panic because the birthrate is dropping. Nearly every government in Europe is encouraging immigrants to flood in to make up the shortfall because people are living longer and fewer babies are being born and who is going to pay for the support of the geriatric population in the years to come?
Not the wealthy, for sure. If you're rich, you don't have to pay taxes. You've hugely supported that in other posts.
Not the children and grandchildren because, oops, there aren't enough of them.
So ...
The US birthrate has dropped to its lowest point ever. The Chinese birthrate is at its lowest in 7 decades, despite China scrapping their 1 child rule 20 years ago. Africa IS pumping out kids at a higher rate, and their chances of surviving infancy are going up, but most countries are anxiously trying for more children because whoooo, long term is going to be a problem. Human life started in Africa, how ironic if it is to end there too.
A more efficient covid, one that wipes out much higher percentages of the infirm and the over 70s, is probably the only solution.
And hey, one other quibble, "Science" is not an entity. What any one scientist says, another will almost immediately disprove. There is only scientific theory, based on opinion, tested where possible, and while many theories are generally accepted as fact, by nearly all scientists, "science" is in a constant state of flux. So really what you should have said is "one scientific theory" holds there are too many children while another will promptly respond "there are too many low-class children and not enough middle-class and not nearly enough actual movers and shakers", while another insists more, more and even more are required.
UN knew all of this decades ago.Not the wealthy, for sure. If you're rich, you don't have to pay taxes. You've hugely supported that in other posts.
Not the children and grandchildren because, oops, there aren't enough of them.
So ...
The US birthrate has dropped to its lowest point ever. The Chinese birthrate is at its lowest in 7 decades, despite China scrapping their 1 child rule 20 years ago. Africa IS pumping out kids at a higher rate, and their chances of surviving infancy are going up, but most countries are anxiously trying for more children because whoooo, long term is going to be a problem. Human life started in Africa, how ironic if it is to end there too.
A more efficient covid, one that wipes out much higher percentages of the infirm and the over 70s, is probably the only solution.
And hey, one other quibble, "Science" is not an entity. What any one scientist says, another will almost immediately disprove. There is only scientific theory, based on opinion, tested where possible, and while many theories are generally accepted as fact, by nearly all scientists, "science" is in a constant state of flux. So really what you should have said is "one scientific theory" holds there are too many children while another will promptly respond "there are too many low-class children and not enough middle-class and not nearly enough actual movers and shakers", while another insists more, more and even more are required.
No one cares and no one will.
Blame Feminism, chemicals, and unmanly men.
Roddy Pipers best movie ever.
Just maybe it is the cost of living is too high to have large families...The birth control pill...and, women can have the freedom to leave abusive men...And, then men blame feminism...funny how that works...
gonelikethewimd: Just maybe it is the cost of living is too high to have large families...The birth control pill...and, women can have the freedom to leave abusive men...And, then men blame feminism...funny how that works...
Women have always either left abusive men or killed them or CHOSE to suffer.I have personal experience with that.
I have a great grandfather who was killed by his wife and son to steal his speakeasy.
And my abused mother had a chance to leave BUT she chose the old man over the kids.
And this was when we were rich.
Feminism has nothing to do with it.
Psychology.
Actually blame Feminism for creating the dark Psychology women suffer under. All that Feminist guilt tripping.
And they f*cked over women of Color.
DLMac: And my abused mother had a chance to leave BUT she chose the old man over the kids.
I’m sorry your mother did not leave your father. You might have grown up to be a nicer human being..gonelikethewimd: I’m sorry your mother did not leave your father. You might have grown up to be a nicer human being..
Trust me I am nicer than most people and DEFINITELY more honest.Why lie to the electrons here?
I even saved an old woman and baby from freezing to death.
Isn't that the highest level of experience, saving lives?
gonelikethewimd: I’m sorry your mother did not leave your father. You might have grown up to be a nicer human being..
Con artists, Pimps and Chicken hawks are always nice when you first meet them.So are child molesters.
DLMac: Trust me I am nicer than most people and DEFINITELY more honest.
Why lie to the electrons here?
I even saved an old woman and baby from freezing to death.
Isn't that the highest level of experience, saving lives?
DL, for what it's worth- considering what you must have been through Why lie to the electrons here?
I even saved an old woman and baby from freezing to death.
Isn't that the highest level of experience, saving lives?
I think you turned out pretty ok.
I like you. If you were not a good man, well your straight shots would hurt! I've yet to see you go after anybody nasty. You be you.
On topic, YES I'm all for redux!
Like Bill Burr been on about from stage for some time now.
Lets get 'er down to a 100 million worldwide.... that would solve a lot.
Only, it will take ..hmm.... 8-900 years if we start now...
No, what I hear is we ADD 80 mill annually. I see no end, sorry to say.
Like Bill Burr been on about from stage for some time now.
Lets get 'er down to a 100 million worldwide.... that would solve a lot.
Only, it will take ..hmm.... 8-900 years if we start now...
No, what I hear is we ADD 80 mill annually. I see no end, sorry to say.
Grandsiozzie: DL, for what it's worth- considering what you must have been through
I think you turned out pretty ok.
I like you. If you were not a good man, well your straight shots would hurt! I've yet to see you go after anybody nasty. You be you.
No I am batshit insane.I think you turned out pretty ok.
I like you. If you were not a good man, well your straight shots would hurt! I've yet to see you go after anybody nasty. You be you.
The nice thing was my family never imposed religion, politics nor aesthetics on us.
Basically raised by Wolves.
I became the perpetual outsider.
I always read a lot from the time I can first recall. Mom used the tv as a babysitter and I was lucky enough to spend most of my childhood near nature.
I broke the cycle of violence although I do have a sharp tongue.
I'm better than some and worse than others.
I have no bucket list because I have seen the magnificence of existence and the horrible reality.
What can say person say but they have lived.
If you go through everything I have written about, that represents but a fraction of all the crazy horrible stuff I have lived through.
Grandsiozzie: On topic, YES I'm all for redux!
Like Bill Burr been on about from stage for some time now.
Lets get 'er down to a 100 million worldwide.... that would solve a lot.
Only, it will take ..hmm.... 8-900 years if we start now...
No, what I hear is we ADD 80 mill annually. I see no end, sorry to say.
Read this and you decide.Like Bill Burr been on about from stage for some time now.
Lets get 'er down to a 100 million worldwide.... that would solve a lot.
Only, it will take ..hmm.... 8-900 years if we start now...
No, what I hear is we ADD 80 mill annually. I see no end, sorry to say.
Above is the original forecast and below commentary.
t may be time to revisit the 2025 Deagel report. You know, the one which shows a complete collapse of most developed countries and a population decline of around 50-70%? Given the way things are going, it eerily looks like this could actually happen.
y'all gotta bear with me here lol. BUT, TL;DR, if you don't look at or read anything else in this post... just look at this video. It lines everything up almost perfectly with the Deagel forecast released in 2014 concerning 2025, despite it having absolutely nothing to do with the forecast at all.
There is a lot of info to look at (w/ sources,) and all the pieces together I do believe make sense. This is serious, and I haven't seen anyone connect the dots in regards to current circumstances & the 2025 Deagel report.... Have to add tho: People say this is debunked, it isn't. It seems more covered up/censored because of how f*cked this scenario is. Given the current trends and ever increasing issues (vax, inflation, global issues, etc.) it seems like we are headed DIRECTLY into this possible scenario. Idk, i put some pieces together and it's really that bad. They probably won't be able to hide it much longer.
Alright folks, so for context, Deagel is an intelligence source. Some say that Deagel covertly helps the CIA by way of global intelligence. Some say that they are a small branch of military intelligence based in the USA. Either way you slice it, they are associated with high level intel, even if it's just by proxy. (and based off of the information I have seen, and linked here, they seem to be a valuable resource. Actively obtaining said intel for/from various global intelligence agencies.) For example, a military intelligence document (concerning leaked emails,) that was made public on wikileaks. This explicitly mentions information provided by Deagel, mentioning them by name. As you can see on the wikileaks page, a company called "Stratfor," is known to be involved in global intelligence (on a significant level.) Via the wikileaks document, you can see that Deagel did, in fact, provide intel on international technologies & military operations to Stafor. This backs up the claims on their website. stating that they have access to military intel on some level. So, in my humble opinion, we can reasonably conclude that Deagel is most likely legitimate, and/or we can assign at least some validity to their website and information.
Deagel.com regularly releases reports about various issues globally, forecasting various scenarios and statistics which may or may not be correct in the long run. However, the reason why most people were ever focused on, and/or even heard about Deagel, was because of a report released in 2014. This report was forecasting the state of our world (essentially,) in 2025. So, if you look at those numbers, uhhh... that's really kind of a WTF?! Complete economic collapse. Almost a 70% decrease in population in the US. A 77% decrease in the UK. Looks like a lot of people are dying. Why is everyone dying? Why are the largest population decreases happening mostly in developed countries? I'll get to this in a bit.
( There is more commentary read if you choose)
mac flooding the forums is bad
pedro27: mac flooding the forums is bad
So is banal forum topics like word play and the thousand page what is your favorite mucus.Have you checked the topic threads? Have you seen the few people who actually post anything?
I only seem to post more because very few post very little.
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We need to stop pretending kids don't have environmental and ethical consequences.
A startling and honestly distressing view is beginning to receive serious consideration in both academic and popular discussions of climate change ethics. According to this view, having a child is a major contributor to climate change. The logical takeaway here is that everyone on Earth ought to consider having fewer children.
Although culturally controversial, the scientific half of this position is fairly well-established. Several years ago, scientists showed that having a child, especially for the world’s wealthy, is one of the worst things you can do for the environment. That data was recycled this past summer in a paper showing that none of the activities most likely to reduce individuals’ carbon footprints are widely discussed.
The second, moral aspect of the view — that perhaps we ought to have fewer children — is also being taken seriously in many circles. Indeed, I have written widely on the topic myself.
But scientific evidence and moral theorizing aside, this is a complicated question with plenty of opponents. In what follows, I will address some of the challenges to this idea. Because while I recognize that this is an uncomfortable discussion, I believe that the seriousness of climate change justifies uncomfortable conversations. In this case, that means that we need to stop pretending the decision to have children doesn't have environmental and ethical consequences.
The argument that having a child adds to one’s carbon footprint depends on the view that each of us has a personal carbon ledger for which we are responsible. Furthermore, some amount of an offspring’s emissions count towards the parents’ ledger.
(You are on your own from here)