Science proves kids are bad for Earth. Morality suggests we stop having them. (13)
Nearly every government in the richer parts of the world is in a panic because the birthrate is dropping. Nearly every government in Europe is encouraging immigrants to flood in to make up the shortfall because people are living longer and fewer babies are being born and who is going to pay for the support of the geriatric population in the years to come?
Not the wealthy, for sure. If you're rich, you don't have to pay taxes. You've hugely supported that in other posts.
Not the children and grandchildren because, oops, there aren't enough of them.
So ...
The US birthrate has dropped to its lowest point ever. The Chinese birthrate is at its lowest in 7 decades, despite China scrapping their 1 child rule 20 years ago. Africa IS pumping out kids at a higher rate, and their chances of surviving infancy are going up, but most countries are anxiously trying for more children because whoooo, long term is going to be a problem. Human life started in Africa, how ironic if it is to end there too.
A more efficient covid, one that wipes out much higher percentages of the infirm and the over 70s, is probably the only solution.
And hey, one other quibble, "Science" is not an entity. What any one scientist says, another will almost immediately disprove. There is only scientific theory, based on opinion, tested where possible, and while many theories are generally accepted as fact, by nearly all scientists, "science" is in a constant state of flux. So really what you should have said is "one scientific theory" holds there are too many children while another will promptly respond "there are too many low-class children and not enough middle-class and not nearly enough actual movers and shakers", while another insists more, more and even more are required.
Not the wealthy, for sure. If you're rich, you don't have to pay taxes. You've hugely supported that in other posts.
Not the children and grandchildren because, oops, there aren't enough of them.
So ...
The US birthrate has dropped to its lowest point ever. The Chinese birthrate is at its lowest in 7 decades, despite China scrapping their 1 child rule 20 years ago. Africa IS pumping out kids at a higher rate, and their chances of surviving infancy are going up, but most countries are anxiously trying for more children because whoooo, long term is going to be a problem. Human life started in Africa, how ironic if it is to end there too.
A more efficient covid, one that wipes out much higher percentages of the infirm and the over 70s, is probably the only solution.
And hey, one other quibble, "Science" is not an entity. What any one scientist says, another will almost immediately disprove. There is only scientific theory, based on opinion, tested where possible, and while many theories are generally accepted as fact, by nearly all scientists, "science" is in a constant state of flux. So really what you should have said is "one scientific theory" holds there are too many children while another will promptly respond "there are too many low-class children and not enough middle-class and not nearly enough actual movers and shakers", while another insists more, more and even more are required.
suziecute: Nearly every government in the richer parts of the world is in a panic because the birthrate is dropping. Nearly every government in Europe is encouraging immigrants to flood in to make up the shortfall because people are living longer and fewer babies are being born and who is going to pay for the support of the geriatric population in the years to come?
Not the wealthy, for sure. If you're rich, you don't have to pay taxes. You've hugely supported that in other posts.
Not the children and grandchildren because, oops, there aren't enough of them.
So ...
The US birthrate has dropped to its lowest point ever. The Chinese birthrate is at its lowest in 7 decades, despite China scrapping their 1 child rule 20 years ago. Africa IS pumping out kids at a higher rate, and their chances of surviving infancy are going up, but most countries are anxiously trying for more children because whoooo, long term is going to be a problem. Human life started in Africa, how ironic if it is to end there too.
A more efficient covid, one that wipes out much higher percentages of the infirm and the over 70s, is probably the only solution.
And hey, one other quibble, "Science" is not an entity. What any one scientist says, another will almost immediately disprove. There is only scientific theory, based on opinion, tested where possible, and while many theories are generally accepted as fact, by nearly all scientists, "science" is in a constant state of flux. So really what you should have said is "one scientific theory" holds there are too many children while another will promptly respond "there are too many low-class children and not enough middle-class and not nearly enough actual movers and shakers", while another insists more, more and even more are required.
UN knew all of this decades ago.Not the wealthy, for sure. If you're rich, you don't have to pay taxes. You've hugely supported that in other posts.
Not the children and grandchildren because, oops, there aren't enough of them.
So ...
The US birthrate has dropped to its lowest point ever. The Chinese birthrate is at its lowest in 7 decades, despite China scrapping their 1 child rule 20 years ago. Africa IS pumping out kids at a higher rate, and their chances of surviving infancy are going up, but most countries are anxiously trying for more children because whoooo, long term is going to be a problem. Human life started in Africa, how ironic if it is to end there too.
A more efficient covid, one that wipes out much higher percentages of the infirm and the over 70s, is probably the only solution.
And hey, one other quibble, "Science" is not an entity. What any one scientist says, another will almost immediately disprove. There is only scientific theory, based on opinion, tested where possible, and while many theories are generally accepted as fact, by nearly all scientists, "science" is in a constant state of flux. So really what you should have said is "one scientific theory" holds there are too many children while another will promptly respond "there are too many low-class children and not enough middle-class and not nearly enough actual movers and shakers", while another insists more, more and even more are required.
No one cares and no one will.
Blame Feminism, chemicals, and unmanly men.
Roddy Pipers best movie ever.
online today!Just maybe it is the cost of living is too high to have large families...The birth control pill...and, women can have the freedom to leave abusive men...And, then men blame feminism...funny how that works...
online today!DLMac: And my abused mother had a chance to leave BUT she chose the old man over the kids.
I’m sorry your mother did not leave your father. You might have grown up to be a nicer human being..
gonelikethewimd: I’m sorry your mother did not leave your father. You might have grown up to be a nicer human being..
Trust me I am nicer than most people and DEFINITELY more honest.Why lie to the electrons here?
I even saved an old woman and baby from freezing to death.
Isn't that the highest level of experience, saving lives?
gonelikethewimd: I’m sorry your mother did not leave your father. You might have grown up to be a nicer human being..
Con artists, Pimps and Chicken hawks are always nice when you first meet them.So are child molesters.
DLMac: Trust me I am nicer than most people and DEFINITELY more honest.
Why lie to the electrons here?
I even saved an old woman and baby from freezing to death.
Isn't that the highest level of experience, saving lives?
DL, for what it's worth- considering what you must have been through Why lie to the electrons here?
I even saved an old woman and baby from freezing to death.
Isn't that the highest level of experience, saving lives?
I think you turned out pretty ok.
I like you. If you were not a good man, well your straight shots would hurt! I've yet to see you go after anybody nasty. You be you.
On topic, YES I'm all for redux!
Like Bill Burr been on about from stage for some time now.
Lets get 'er down to a 100 million worldwide.... that would solve a lot.
Only, it will take ..hmm.... 8-900 years if we start now...
No, what I hear is we ADD 80 mill annually. I see no end, sorry to say.
Like Bill Burr been on about from stage for some time now.
Lets get 'er down to a 100 million worldwide.... that would solve a lot.
Only, it will take ..hmm.... 8-900 years if we start now...
No, what I hear is we ADD 80 mill annually. I see no end, sorry to say.
mac flooding the forums is bad
pedro27: mac flooding the forums is bad
So is banal forum topics like word play and the thousand page what is your favorite mucus.Have you checked the topic threads? Have you seen the few people who actually post anything?
I only seem to post more because very few post very little.
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( WAY too long to repost, so you can read it on your own. SCARY DUMB!)
We need to stop pretending kids don't have environmental and ethical consequences.
A startling and honestly distressing view is beginning to receive serious consideration in both academic and popular discussions of climate change ethics. According to this view, having a child is a major contributor to climate change. The logical takeaway here is that everyone on Earth ought to consider having fewer children.
Although culturally controversial, the scientific half of this position is fairly well-established. Several years ago, scientists showed that having a child, especially for the world’s wealthy, is one of the worst things you can do for the environment. That data was recycled this past summer in a paper showing that none of the activities most likely to reduce individuals’ carbon footprints are widely discussed.
The second, moral aspect of the view — that perhaps we ought to have fewer children — is also being taken seriously in many circles. Indeed, I have written widely on the topic myself.
But scientific evidence and moral theorizing aside, this is a complicated question with plenty of opponents. In what follows, I will address some of the challenges to this idea. Because while I recognize that this is an uncomfortable discussion, I believe that the seriousness of climate change justifies uncomfortable conversations. In this case, that means that we need to stop pretending the decision to have children doesn't have environmental and ethical consequences.
The argument that having a child adds to one’s carbon footprint depends on the view that each of us has a personal carbon ledger for which we are responsible. Furthermore, some amount of an offspring’s emissions count towards the parents’ ledger.
(You are on your own from here)