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Feb 15, 2007 2:53 AM CST the best place to grow....
bl8ant
bl8antbl8antAmsterdam, North Holland Netherlands3 Threads 1,000 Posts
children....

we have had this topic a few times and now i have confirmation as to my opinion on the matter....



doncha just hate that i am always right?!! lol



from the headlines of the LA TIMES..

. ( although i don't think they counted Chad, where i am sitting now, and treating the hundreds of children and families left displaced by the violence)


UNITED NATIONS — The United States and Britain ranked as the worst places to be a child, according to a UNICEF study of more than 20 developed nations released Wednesday. The Netherlands was the best, it says, followed by Sweden and Denmark.

UNICEF's Innocenti Research Center in Italy ranked the countries in six categories: material well-being, health, education, relationships, behaviors and risks, and young people's own sense of happiness.

The finding that children in the richest countries are not necessarily the best-off surprised many, said the director of the study, Marta Santos Pais. The Czech Republic, for example, ranked above countries with a higher per capita income, such as Austria, France, the United States and Britain, in part because of a more equitable distribution of wealth and higher relative investment in education and public health.

Some of the wealthier countries' lower rankings were a result of less spending on social programs and "dog-eat-dog" competition in jobs that led to adults spending less time with their children and heightened alienation among peers, one of the report's authors, Jonathan Bradshaw, said at a televised news conference in London.
doh doh doh
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Feb 15, 2007 3:02 AM CST the best place to grow....
longingformyluv
longingformyluvlongingformyluvPittsburgh, USA39 Threads 3,355 Posts
Hey Alex!! I'm so not surprised!! I see it all around me here in my own backyard. I live in a wealthy school district..and thus far there have been about a half dozen high school aged kids in the last four years that have committed suicide or drug overdoses. A little too close to home for my comfort!sigh

I'm happy to know you are safe!

Love ya gurl!
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Feb 15, 2007 3:07 AM CST the best place to grow....
Jess642
Jess642Jess642Agnes Water, Australia25 Threads 4,545 Posts
Sadly, and with great shame I have to agree. Constantly fighting and begging for crumbs from the government to provide social services for our youth, I hear the truth in the report..


How To Grow Children.



Create a fertile space in your life, sweep all weeds of self- absorbtion away from this fertile ground.

Till this ground constantly, with love and patience.

Shine your light upon them, so they may grow strong, and tall in spirit.

Feed them constantly with honesty and respect.

Sit with them and talk with them, encourage and praise them when they grow.

Share with them your time, your stories.

Give them space, in this fertile ground, to spread their petals.

Keep them safe from poisons and sprays, of greed and anger.

Nurture these precious gifts, for they will bear good and healthy fruit all their lives.
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Feb 15, 2007 3:19 AM CST the best place to grow....
SuzieSouzou
SuzieSouzouSuzieSouzouCovington, Louisiana USA1 Threads 50 Posts
Well, if the United States is the worst, try raising kids in a state at the bottom of the "Children's Chance of Success" list.

I was born in the state ranked 49th and raised in the state ranked 48th.

My complete lack of jail-time and upcoming college graduation makes me feel special. Yay for being the exception to the rule.
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Feb 15, 2007 3:38 AM CST the best place to grow....
bl8ant
bl8antbl8antAmsterdam, North Holland Netherlands3 Threads 1,000 Posts
I salut you as well!!


well done!

and my point here is :what kind of country spends trillions of dollars war mongering and exploiting the resources of other countries while it's own children and elderly face these statistics ??

seriously.... please the future is in our children....





peace


hey ladies!! well safe is not really how i would call this but i am alive!!! and relatively unhurt


kisses and thanks for the light and energy ...it is felt and deeply appreciated


alexgrin
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Feb 15, 2007 4:35 AM CST the best place to grow....
adj4u
adj4uadj4unorth central, USA4,943 Posts
sounds sound
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Feb 15, 2007 4:44 AM CST the best place to grow....
Jess642
Jess642Jess642Agnes Water, Australia25 Threads 4,545 Posts
Does anyone know of groups of people who lobby their governments for a change of policies, in regards to the cost of war, vs, the cost of social welfare? If there are organised lobbyists, in any country, could you email me the details, please?
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Feb 15, 2007 4:49 AM CST the best place to grow....
johndivr
johndivrjohndivrMiddle East, Florida USA15 Threads 491 Posts
confused
What are we talking about?
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Feb 15, 2007 6:52 AM CST the best place to grow....
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
we are talking about that all countries need to pay more attention to own backyards ... and spend war money on OWN children
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Feb 15, 2007 6:53 AM CST the best place to grow....
TabooN
TabooNTabooNClaremont, USA47 Threads 12,843 Posts
ahhh, sweet!yay yay yay

Can you see it? The whole country... is migrating.rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 15, 2007 6:55 AM CST the best place to grow....
Jess642
Jess642Jess642Agnes Water, Australia25 Threads 4,545 Posts
Countries...am packing as we speakapplause dancing
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Feb 15, 2007 7:23 AM CST the best place to grow....
TabooN
TabooNTabooNClaremont, USA47 Threads 12,843 Posts
50 years future...

country over populated... massive toking going on...rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 15, 2007 7:40 AM CST the best place to grow....
oceans5555
oceans5555oceans5555Chevy Chase, USA4 Threads 803 Posts
Good morning/afternoon, Alex

Many thanks for posting this. The conclusions do not surprise me, though the whole theme of little regard for our obligation to raise our children well continues to shock and sadden me.

One of our projects is on the legal and moral rights of children; we are now in the midst developing a set of metrics for each right, that is, ways of measuring to what extent a country is implementing each right. This will provide an overall score, and comparative results that are objective and publishable. The UNICEF study you cite may have done something similar and I am eager to take a look at it. metrics are tricky!

Can you tell us more about what you are finding in Chad. Are you involved in the spillover from Darfur?



hug hug hug
Oceans
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Feb 15, 2007 7:44 AM CST the best place to grow....
oceans5555
oceans5555oceans5555Chevy Chase, USA4 Threads 803 Posts
And thanks for this citation, too, Suzie. Part of our Childrens project involves collecting examples of programs for kids that can serve as models for other countries.

Can you say more about your own expereinces growing up. Sounds like jailtime could have been an option. What happened that led you along a different path?

applause
Oceans
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Feb 15, 2007 9:39 AM CST the best place to grow....
bl8ant
bl8antbl8antAmsterdam, North Holland Netherlands3 Threads 1,000 Posts
yes we are Oceans...and it is getting increasingly more and more difficult to get near enough to receive these people.


the best thing i can suggest is to go to the MSF website and read what we are doing ...it is relatively up to date.


i am also director of a smaller affiliate foundation and we work in conjunction with MSF to reach these displaced people, however my little foundation is more providing the medical aid in stablized villages thruout afrika and south america.

right now we are with MSF and it has become impossible to continue driving in to meet these refugees as they flee from the fighting.... we are making air lifts and even they are becoming more and more dangerous.... the situation here is grave
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Feb 15, 2007 9:48 AM CST the best place to grow....
TabooN
TabooNTabooNClaremont, USA47 Threads 12,843 Posts
hijack!

hey love...=o)

still sending...
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Feb 15, 2007 9:53 AM CST the best place to grow....
native_grl38
native_grl38native_grl38Belleville, Canada10 Threads 4,332 Posts
This is not surprising to me at all because it seems the richest countries like Cananda and the U.S. are more interested in taking care of those in other countries rather than their own...That's the pitty of it all...I believe in helping other countries but only after you can say that everything in your own country is brought up to snuff!!!!!!


conversing conversing
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Feb 15, 2007 10:45 AM CST the best place to grow....
LOLjuzme
LOLjuzmeLOLjuzmeinstate, Washington USA19 Threads 447 Posts
I couldn’t agree more!!!!thumbs up

We spend WAY too much time, money and effort on everyone else. Also, as far as ...
"Some of the wealthier countries' lower rankings were a result of less spending on social programs"

Wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so many illegal immigrants stealing from these programs. Same could be said for the adults who are fighting in that "dog-eat-dog" competition in jobs" taken by illegals.

"and heightened alienation among peers"

Alientation is in part due to their lack of willingness to assimilate, and demands to be catered to. Not even speaking english in the US business world is just one example. For our kids, having these hostile immigrants acting out in classrooms and such certainly isn't helping their education, much less all the money spent on catering to these illegals, when it should be spent on our own kids. If we weren't spreading ourselves so thin around the planet, our kids probably would have it a lot better overall.
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Feb 15, 2007 10:51 AM CST the best place to grow....
oceans5555
oceans5555oceans5555Chevy Chase, USA4 Threads 803 Posts
Will check MSF, Alex.

I wonder if there is an equivalent organization for managers, organizational specialists, or political scientists?

I know you are doing the very best you can do to help the refugees.

hug

Oceans
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Feb 15, 2007 11:10 AM CST the best place to grow....
Abracadabra
AbracadabraAbracadabraHeaven, Pennsylvania USA69 Threads 3,302 Posts
I’ll be the first to agree that the USA is a bad place to find decent parenting.

But from what I’ve read places like Japan and China are even worse.

And of course some of the really poor countries are raising their kids in total poverty conditions which can’t be good.

I haven’t done a study on it, but I recently heard an interview on NPR about India and they way they raise their children. Just based on the interview alone it sounds like parents from India have a good shot at being the best parents on earth.

I could be wrong of course as this wasn’t any kind of study, but that’s the impression I got.
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