Tribal Cultures (38)
Hugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 PostsThey can't return to what they don't know...it was lost...almost completely...and yes they want it back....How???? In residential schools you were beaten for speaking your language and practising your culture....You were taken out of the community at 5 and returned at 16 if you returned at all...which was the time when culture and all the important values etc were taught...There is a whole genration or 2 of people who know nothing of their culture because it died with the old people and the young people weren't allowed to practice it!!!!!!
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Well naturally. Peaceful coexistence is not part of human nature. I honestly can't think of any country that has not been at war. I'm surprised we haven't nuked our selfs yet.
Well defined rules to one is oppression to another. It's all a matter of perspective.
Well defined rules to one is oppression to another. It's all a matter of perspective.
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take south africa for example, they had worse, they were forced to speak afrikaans which is dutch decorated in God knows what ..... they have come through and their cultures are stronger now than ever. they managed to hold on to it despite all the punishment and never saw the white culture as more fashionable than theirs was.
They speak eleven official languages now and encourage culture and tradition better than any country in africa despite criticisms.
They speak eleven official languages now and encourage culture and tradition better than any country in africa despite criticisms.
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can't return to what they don't know ? if they know there is a culture, they can find it and rescucitate it, ..... its a matter of choice.
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I used to have a fantastic art book of black and white photos of the native american peoples. It was from the earliest records here of them (from cameras) One picture per page and it was the most powerful book I have ever seen for passing on a message. Looking at each picture in chronological sequence it was a testament to the strength of this proud people's heritage and the suffering they had been forced to endure, and the depredation of a foreign tyrant upon them. Flipping through the book from front to back showed the rapid decay of a pristine culture imposed by the same dictators and filled my heart with shame. I gave the book to a native american friend when he was at its lowest after telling him to look at each picture from the back to the front. He has since cleaned up the hell that was given to him as a semblance of life and become a worthy contributor to our society. A proud man again with the flame of his forefathers held aloft in his breast. A father of two young children who will not have to endure this terrible fate from the guiding and sheltering of his faith.
I kick myself for not writing down the name of this book and have been searching for it for many years. When I find it again I will likely do the same again for someone else as its loss was truly the best gain it could have offered.
Mark
I kick myself for not writing down the name of this book and have been searching for it for many years. When I find it again I will likely do the same again for someone else as its loss was truly the best gain it could have offered.
Mark
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very correct my friend, thats why i said its a matter of choice. my country speaks over two hundred and fifty languages and as prosperous as we are, we are not getting anywhere because of this. i have my choice, i speak english and swedish and some french.my culture ? try hip-hop ....lol
its always a matter of choice. i am comfortable with mine 'cos it works for me.
its always a matter of choice. i am comfortable with mine 'cos it works for me.
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No it isn't our culture was largely verbal not written and it died with the ones that knew it...The generation that doesnt is trying to get it back...BUT is it genuine or the same...who knows cause it's all open to interpretation and none of it is consistent from Nation to Nation!!!!!!!!
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the problem is it shouldn't have been lost in the first place. many peoples went through all sorts like these and even worse, they held on and came out strong. The jews didn't even have a state ..... they came back from all the corners of the earth and here they are. all i'm just trying to say is if they really want to bring the culture back, they should and worry about it being the same later. at least there would be a culture no matter how modernized. The aboriginesof australia are also a good example, but they still got it. if culture is lost under any circumstances, it means the people wanted to let it happen. people died defending theirs and if they can't, they accept the dominance and still pass their culture on to their children.
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we also have the case of the nubians from egypt ...... it is a choice.
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No culture for us died generationally....Defend yes they did...Outnumbered yes they were,...I know my grandparents wouldnt even teach the language to my parents in case they got beaten in school for speaking it...so it was protection as much as it was was anything!!!!!!!! Unless you have been through it...You don't understand it...My family has!!!!!!!!
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ours was, it was noticed that most parents were teaching only english to thier children from infancy because they felt a mastery of the language could make them accesible anywhere in the world and bring opportunities with good potential but they realized that english became a tool for the kids to search further into the english culture and people like me who grew up speaking english were made to learn our culture and traditions, taken to the villages and clans where they are practiced and we learnt them and hold them close to our hearts and i have vowed that my children (if and when i do have them ....lol) will know them too ....
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It seems to me that when today we compare tribes of today to tribes of the 1880s, we are mixing apples and oranges. One has to expect that over several 100s of years of contact with western society, a tribe today would acquire western ways and means. It no longer is that same tribe of a 100s yeara ago.
Only where you have an very isolate tribe of say deep in Borneo, can you expect that westernization not to have happened. What you are really saying is the actions and decisions of 100s of years need to be reversed or altered to bring these tribes back to ther place of orgin, to their pristine ideal life style shown in Dancing with the Wolves.
To right the wrongs of westernization. No way Hose', is that going to happen. Wish them to lose modern medicines and medical care? Wish them to lose cars and modern transportation? Give them back major cities and towns to give thier homelands back?
Here comes the crunch. Some in the tribal world today desire just that.
One of bin Laden's key positions is to bring Islam back to a Caliph kind
of government. He might use a satellite cell phone, buy ak-47s, and train terrorists with modern devices and explosives........but he wishes and would reverse 100s of years of Islamic interactions with the west.
bin Laden uses this tribalism and the issues it brings to support his Jahid against the west. Everytime you find a horror story of western countries actions against the tribes around the workl. I can find you situations of tribal horrors taken on westerns. 1880s it was who pulled the first trigger or shot the first arrow. Or to put it into modern day speak.....who hijacked aircraft for 9/11 or invaded Iraq.
This is a struggle of cultures...west and east...in a some senses. Of new vs old. Of tribe vs organized society. But it is a very real struggle even today.
Only where you have an very isolate tribe of say deep in Borneo, can you expect that westernization not to have happened. What you are really saying is the actions and decisions of 100s of years need to be reversed or altered to bring these tribes back to ther place of orgin, to their pristine ideal life style shown in Dancing with the Wolves.
To right the wrongs of westernization. No way Hose', is that going to happen. Wish them to lose modern medicines and medical care? Wish them to lose cars and modern transportation? Give them back major cities and towns to give thier homelands back?
Here comes the crunch. Some in the tribal world today desire just that.
One of bin Laden's key positions is to bring Islam back to a Caliph kind
of government. He might use a satellite cell phone, buy ak-47s, and train terrorists with modern devices and explosives........but he wishes and would reverse 100s of years of Islamic interactions with the west.
bin Laden uses this tribalism and the issues it brings to support his Jahid against the west. Everytime you find a horror story of western countries actions against the tribes around the workl. I can find you situations of tribal horrors taken on westerns. 1880s it was who pulled the first trigger or shot the first arrow. Or to put it into modern day speak.....who hijacked aircraft for 9/11 or invaded Iraq.
This is a struggle of cultures...west and east...in a some senses. Of new vs old. Of tribe vs organized society. But it is a very real struggle even today.
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People are looking to pit west against east here, but it is inherrent in human nature to band together under any common factor and try to better someone else. Black v white / protestant v catholic / tutsi v hutu / jew v arab / sunni muslim v shia muslim. It's inbuilt and it really, really screws us up.
You have black people massacring black people in Ghana just now and there ain't a white face in sight. You have had white people massacring white people in what was Yugoslavia, and there wasn't a black face in sight. You also have Arab muslims wiping out thousands of Arab muslims in Iraq. Don't blame it on any one factor. The truth is, the human being has a really bad defect that causes it to kill for almost no reason at all.
I don't give a **** what you are or where you come from, but as long as you're respectful, I'll be respectful to you and I'll buy you a beer anyday. Mutual respect - try it!
You have black people massacring black people in Ghana just now and there ain't a white face in sight. You have had white people massacring white people in what was Yugoslavia, and there wasn't a black face in sight. You also have Arab muslims wiping out thousands of Arab muslims in Iraq. Don't blame it on any one factor. The truth is, the human being has a really bad defect that causes it to kill for almost no reason at all.
I don't give a **** what you are or where you come from, but as long as you're respectful, I'll be respectful to you and I'll buy you a beer anyday. Mutual respect - try it!
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wanderinggnome: Following the news this week from Kenya, I cannot see how tribal culture can co-exist peacefully in the 21st century.
Sad,isn't it and getting worse.
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TTom50: It seems to me that when today we compare tribes of today to tribes of the 1880s, we are mixing apples and oranges. One has to expect that over several 100s of years of contact with western society, a tribe today would acquire western ways and means. It no longer is that same tribe of a 100s yeara ago.
Only where you have an very isolate tribe of say deep in Borneo, can you expect that westernization not to have happened. What you are really saying is the actions and decisions of 100s of years need to be reversed or altered to bring these tribes back to ther place of orgin, to their pristine ideal life style shown in Dancing with the Wolves.
To right the wrongs of westernization. No way Hose', is that going to happen. Wish them to lose modern medicines and medical care? Wish them to lose cars and modern transportation? Give them back major cities and towns to give thier homelands back?
Here comes the crunch. Some in the tribal world today desire just that.
One of bin Laden's key positions is to bring Islam back to a Caliph kind
of government. He might use a satellite cell phone, buy ak-47s, and train terrorists with modern devices and explosives........but he wishes and would reverse 100s of years of Islamic interactions with the west.
bin Laden uses this tribalism and the issues it brings to support his Jahid against the west. Everytime you find a horror story of western countries actions against the tribes around the workl. I can find you situations of tribal horrors taken on westerns. 1880s it was who pulled the first trigger or shot the first arrow. Or to put it into modern day speak.....who hijacked aircraft for 9/11 or invaded Iraq.
This is a struggle of cultures...west and east...in a some senses. Of new vs old. Of tribe vs organized society. But it is a very real struggle even today.
Only where you have an very isolate tribe of say deep in Borneo, can you expect that westernization not to have happened. What you are really saying is the actions and decisions of 100s of years need to be reversed or altered to bring these tribes back to ther place of orgin, to their pristine ideal life style shown in Dancing with the Wolves.
To right the wrongs of westernization. No way Hose', is that going to happen. Wish them to lose modern medicines and medical care? Wish them to lose cars and modern transportation? Give them back major cities and towns to give thier homelands back?
Here comes the crunch. Some in the tribal world today desire just that.
One of bin Laden's key positions is to bring Islam back to a Caliph kind
of government. He might use a satellite cell phone, buy ak-47s, and train terrorists with modern devices and explosives........but he wishes and would reverse 100s of years of Islamic interactions with the west.
bin Laden uses this tribalism and the issues it brings to support his Jahid against the west. Everytime you find a horror story of western countries actions against the tribes around the workl. I can find you situations of tribal horrors taken on westerns. 1880s it was who pulled the first trigger or shot the first arrow. Or to put it into modern day speak.....who hijacked aircraft for 9/11 or invaded Iraq.
This is a struggle of cultures...west and east...in a some senses. Of new vs old. Of tribe vs organized society. But it is a very real struggle even today.
Do I see some of Ayn Rand's philosophical influence here or are my Old Eyes just deceiving me?
Had that Impression before reading some of your other posts.
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