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Feb 2, 2008 3:26 AM CST black school
Munichtexan
MunichtexanMunichtexanBrno, South Moravia Czech Republic24 Threads 195 Posts
In the early 80's, Federal District Judge William Wayne Justice who many claim now is and was a strong proponent for Civil rights created in my mind one of the worst scenarios in relation to a "real segregation" of peoples imaginable. I bring this up because this thread follows the "same good feeling" attitude that many mistake as being a real benefit to students.

"Chief Justice" which many Texans who know his real background and rulings laugh about made the following rulings which he is now getting an award for from the Black Community who do not want to look at the real damage that has been caused.

1) He ruled that prisoners were being treated abusively because they lived in small quarters , had no access to television, or recreational facilities, libraries, etc.
a) Due to his rulings Texas has built more prisons, more facilities, and now houses and ever increasing percentage of its population in prisons. The percentage of hispanics and blacks has increased unproportionally in relation to whites.

2) He ruled that Hispanic students had the rights to be educated in their own language, something that was first applauded by the Latin American Legal Association until a "White -non hispanic Editor" in San Antonio had the wisdom and facts to point out that this condemned children to measly jobs since they would not be able to speak the language.
a) Thank God this was overturned, but he claims credit for forcing schools to accept illegal immigrant students into Texas schools and requiring "bi-lingual" education. A matter that has added to the issue of "non-tax paying personnel" being a burden on people who pay taxes.

The idea of the school in Toronto is just another bad idea of delegating "children" to a lower class through the rest of their lives. There is an old saying "it is not what you know - but who you know that gets you ahead in life". The concept of Black Schools in the US has always restricted students access to a better life. We can sugar coat everything these days under the guise of equality, but in real life - Children become adults and have to deal with the harsh reality of life as it really is. It is better that a child is prepared for life than to condone to "idealistic views" that do not work.
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Feb 2, 2008 3:40 AM CST black school
Munichtexan
MunichtexanMunichtexanBrno, South Moravia Czech Republic24 Threads 195 Posts
I do not know about Canadian Schools, but the issues that have developed in Texas schools is that Teachers are inadequately paid. Property owners who are the only ones who pay taxes directly for education now refuse to pay more money.

But satellite schools to encourage gifted students in specific areas have significantly impacted drop outs. Tighter security has improved also the drop out rate. A no tolerance policy has improved education overall.

Yet grade schools are suffering. Parents no longer want to put their children in schools with a high number of illegal immigrants because their children suffer. The "waiver system" was put into place to allow taxpayers the option of where their children go to school. I should also mention that my "hispanic" legal friends and neighbors are much more adament about this then I am. As far as they are concerned their child learns English first in school and Spanish at home. They do not enroll their children in Bi-lingual courses. Why should they - their children already know the language or in some cases - I know Hispanic Couples who refused to teach their children Spanish.

I also know that as adults, if they can not speak English well, they are condemned to lower paying jobs for the rest of their life. That is the real facts associated with all of these "feel good" programs.
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Feb 2, 2008 10:20 AM CST black school
trublu
trublutrubluRialto, USA14 Threads 1 Polls 208 Posts
luscious, "Trublu, i'm lame for giving an opinion? You ONLY contribute in these kinds of threads so i guess we all know who's lame. Yeah LOL!

Grow up and show some maturity when you post!"

Well I will try to not pop off with rude BS, like you did, and attempt to give you the benefit of the doubt here, sooo...

I think you misunderstood what I posted. For your convenience it is below...


Luscious, “I don't see them enjoying a happy meal together with blood spilling from their little ankles right after a heated little fight.”
RFLMAO, if you are too lame to stop it before it gets to that point, please NEVER HAVE kids. That was just looney!

What I referred to as lame, would be any parent that let their kids bloody each other up, instead of either raising them to act like civilized people, or at least not stepping in and stopping it before it gets to that point. I have worked with literally thousands of kids, and NEVER let it get to this point when they squabbled.

munich "2) He ruled that Hispanic students had the rights to be educated in their own language, something that was first applauded by the Latin American Legal Association until a "White -non hispanic Editor" in San Antonio had the wisdom and facts to point out that this condemned children to measly jobs since they would not be able to speak the language."
Sounds more like he was USING kids to get votes, not that he thought about the reality of it.

"a) Thank God this was overturned, but he claims credit for forcing schools to accept illegal immigrant students into Texas schools and requiring "bi-lingual" education. A matter that has added to the issue of "non-tax paying personnel" being a burden on people who pay taxes."
I WISH those rules would go away here, would love to see all the money wasted on ESL put back into the programs it was stolen from. And yes, I call it stolen, just like all the free medical, welfare, etc...

"There is an old saying "it is not what you know - but who you know that gets you ahead in life".
If you mean that being exposed to people of all walks of life, getting more knowledge of all people, and not isolating yourself to only one group, I would agree with that. As the legal hispanics I know would also agree to the sentiments you described. They are even more up in arms over the illegals because of what is going on. Only ones who back the illegals, are the illegals and the ones making money off them.
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Feb 2, 2008 11:38 AM CST black school
starliteisbrite
starliteisbritestarliteisbriteThe planet earth....:), Ontario Canada56 Threads 7,327 Posts
We live in a multicuturialed city
...and am not sure that segregation is the right answer in this day and age.
And my question would be at what level of heritage blood line is a student entitled to apply for acceptance into the program that is being offered???
...For years there where fights on integrating,...turning the hand of time just doesn't seem to be the solution to what is talked of being the problem at hand.
That being that the drop out rate is at a all time high.
....The truth of the matter is EDUCATION,and if it works then it has served its purpose.
however I think that there are far greater alternatives that could be addressed,with a motion put in play that would have a far better out come then segregation,as this is how I see this plan in action.
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Feb 3, 2008 3:26 PM CST black school
kitty01
kitty01kitty01St. Albert, Alberta Canada244 Threads 1 Polls 5,310 Posts
When I first heard on the news I thought it was a bad idea, like we were going back on what so many were fighting for in the past for blacks and whites to be able to go anywhere they want. As long as it does not turn into a school where they are looked down on it could end up beening a good move for the students who want this.
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Feb 3, 2008 3:42 PM CST black school
morganlee
morganleemorganleeQawra, Majjistral Malta27 Threads 1 Polls 4,368 Posts
Hi kitty, wave great to see you hug
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Feb 4, 2008 6:39 AM CST black school
trublu
trublutrubluRialto, USA14 Threads 1 Polls 208 Posts
Starlite, I always wonder how they determine who is black enough, or for that matter black at all. Like calling Obama black when he is no more that than another race. Sure seems like something that is VERY based on appearances alone the majority of the time. Start with BS like that and where does it stop? Do they have a color chart hanging on the wall in admissions that you hold your arm up to during the application process, to make sure you are the right shade for them? Sounds stupid, but not any more so than treating people differently on appearances alone for any other reason.

Kitty “As long as it does not turn into a school where they are looked down on it could end up beening a good move for the students who want this.”
Usually those who are given some kind of elite status, real or perceived, they are the ones who look down on others. Just another reason why I don’t think this segregation is a good thing.
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