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Feb 16, 2008 2:28 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
trish123: Is beautiful Hugz, very in touch with all sorts of important aspects of existence. Based on the Lakotah/Dakotah and relates the tale of a few generations as the demise is approaching - it really touched me, this was 25 or 30 yrs since and it has helped me to find who I am - somehow


WOW...it must be pretty powerful then...I will look it up and read it sometime...I love reading stories like that...The true ones are always the best and also always stranger than fiction...

wine
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Feb 16, 2008 2:31 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: Yes I know and in fact that is what we call it in Indian country!!!!!!!!


It truely is genocide.

I love the poem and history lesson which follows.

I live in Oklahoma, Indian Nation, the end of the trail.

I am Cherokee from my grandmother, who lived in the mountains of Northern Alabama.

It is awful what the white's did to the indians all across this nation.

Thank you for posting this poem of rememberance!
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Feb 16, 2008 2:38 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
HealthyLiving: It truely is genocide.

I love the poem and history lesson which follows.

I live in Oklahoma, Indian Nation, the end of the trail.

I am Cherokee from my grandmother, who lived in the mountains of Northern Alabama.

It is awful what the white's did to the indians all across this nation.

Thank you for posting this poem of rememberance!


You're welcome...I think it's important that we stay in touch with who we are and where we came from...Because it's the key to healing for our future!!!!!!!!


hug hug teddybear
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Feb 16, 2008 2:44 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
trish123: Is beautiful Hugz, very in touch with all sorts of important aspects of existence. Based on the Lakotah/Dakotah and relates the tale of a few generations as the demise is approaching - it really touched me, this was 25 or 30 yrs since and it has helped me to find who I am - somehow


Trish, you should find this VERY interesting. I posted it on my webpage yesterday.

During the week of December 17 - 19, 2007, Lakota Indian leaders traveled to Washington DC and withdrew from the constitutionally mandated treaties to become a free and independent country. They do so in a fully honest, legal, and ethical manner.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a handful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy. All were gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference. In other words, the Republic of Lakota is now inviting everyone within their country borders to join them and to live free and create a new government based on the laws of brotherhood.

Lakota leaders delivered a message to the United States State Department in December of 2007, announcing they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the United States.

The Lakota activists rightly describe treaties Native American's signed with the United States as "worthless words on worthless paper," because the United States never holds up their end of the treaty.

One such treaty is the Treaty of Fort Laramie, September 17, 1851. Article three of the treaty states, "United States bind themselves to protect the aforesaid Indian nations against the commission of all depredations by the people of the said United States, after the ratification of this treaty."

The Treaty of Fort Laramie from April 29, 1868 states, "The United States agrees that the following district of country... [describes a large geographic boundary] ... set apart for the absolute and undisturbed use and occupation of the Indians herein named..."

Upon these documents and others, the various tribes in the now Republic of Lakotah were guaranteed exclusive use and control of their lands in exchange for safe passage along the Oregon Trail.

Article six of the U.S. Constitution upholds treaties as the supreme law of the land, "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

The Republic of Lakotah withdrawal letter states, "The continuing violations of these treaties' terms have resulted in the near annihilation of our people physically, spiritually, and culturally."

In instances across the United States, our own government has completely betrayed and murdered countless numbers of Native Americans.

"After 150 years of colonial enforcement, when you back people into a corner there is only one alternative. That alternative is to bring freedom back into existence by taking it back - back to the love of freedom, to our life-way." Canupa Gluha Mani

applause LAKOTAH applause
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Feb 16, 2008 2:57 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
PILIPALA
PILIPALAPILIPALACardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK200 Threads 4,804 Posts
HealthyLiving: Trish, you should find this VERY interesting. I posted it on my webpage yesterday.

During the week of December 17 - 19, 2007, Lakota Indian leaders traveled to Washington DC and withdrew from the constitutionally mandated treaties to become a free and independent country. They do so in a fully honest, legal, and ethical manner.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a handful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy. All were gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference. In other words, the Republic of Lakota is now inviting everyone within their country borders to join them and to live free and create a new government based on the laws of brotherhood.

Lakota leaders delivered a message to the United States State Department in December of 2007, announcing they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the United States.

The Lakota activists rightly describe treaties Native American's signed with the United States as "worthless words on worthless paper," because the United States never holds up their end of the treaty.

One such treaty is the Treaty of Fort Laramie, September 17, 1851. Article three of the treaty states, "United States bind themselves to protect the aforesaid Indian nations against the commission of all depredations by the people of the said United States, after the ratification of this treaty."

The Treaty of Fort Laramie from April 29, 1868 states, "The United States agrees that the following district of country... [describes a large geographic boundary] ... set apart for the absolute and undisturbed use and occupation of the Indians herein named..."

Upon these documents and others, the various tribes in the now Republic of Lakotah were guaranteed exclusive use and control of their lands in exchange for safe passage along the Oregon Trail.

Article six of the U.S. Constitution upholds treaties as the supreme law of the land, "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

The Republic of Lakotah withdrawal letter states, "The continuing violations of these treaties' terms have resulted in the near annihilation of our people physically, spiritually, and culturally."

In instances across the United States, our own government has completely betrayed and murdered countless numbers of Native Americans.

"After 150 years of colonial enforcement, when you back people into a corner there is only one alternative. That alternative is to bring freedom back into existence by taking it back - back to the love of freedom, to our life-way." Canupa Gluha Mani

LAKOTAH






Wow that is amazing good for themthumbs up

And thank you ladies for one of the best threads i have read it truely touch me and i would be grateful of any suggested reading material
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Feb 16, 2008 3:10 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
HealthyLiving: Trish, you should find this VERY interesting. I posted it on my webpage yesterday.

During the week of December 17 - 19, 2007, Lakota Indian leaders traveled to Washington DC and withdrew from the constitutionally mandated treaties to become a free and independent country. They do so in a fully honest, legal, and ethical manner.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a handful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy. All were gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference. In other words, the Republic of Lakota is now inviting everyone within their country borders to join them and to live free and create a new government based on the laws of brotherhood.

Lakota leaders delivered a message to the United States State Department in December of 2007, announcing they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the United States.

The Lakota activists rightly describe treaties Native American's signed with the United States as "worthless words on worthless paper," because the United States never holds up their end of the treaty.

One such treaty is the Treaty of Fort Laramie, September 17, 1851. Article three of the treaty states, "United States bind themselves to protect the aforesaid Indian nations against the commission of all depredations by the people of the said United States, after the ratification of this treaty."

The Treaty of Fort Laramie from April 29, 1868 states, "The United States agrees that the following district of country... [describes a large geographic boundary] ... set apart for the absolute and undisturbed use and occupation of the Indians herein named..."

Upon these documents and others, the various tribes in the now Republic of Lakotah were guaranteed exclusive use and control of their lands in exchange for safe passage along the Oregon Trail.

Article six of the U.S. Constitution upholds treaties as the supreme law of the land, "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

The Republic of Lakotah withdrawal letter states, "The continuing violations of these treaties' terms have resulted in the near annihilation of our people physically, spiritually, and culturally."

In instances across the United States, our own government has completely betrayed and murdered countless numbers of Native Americans.

"After 150 years of colonial enforcement, when you back people into a corner there is only one alternative. That alternative is to bring freedom back into existence by taking it back - back to the love of freedom, to our life-way." Canupa Gluha Mani

LAKOTAH


That's amazing and what some nations here are trying to do with self-government: However they are again negotiating with the Federal Government who as we know has only their best interst at heart...So it's not really true self government....I like the Lakotah style and sometimes Freedom does have to be literally taken....conversing conversing applause
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Feb 16, 2008 3:12 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
PILIPALA: Wow that is amazing good for them

And thank you ladies for one of the best threads i have read it truely touch me and i would be grateful of any suggested reading material


Thanx darlin...these are pieces of history that alot of people are unaware of and the stories definitely need to be told in the name of education....hug conversing conversing

You can just do a search of North American Indians...Native Americans...First Nations...on google and tons of info comes up that is great reading doll....thumbs up
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Feb 16, 2008 3:18 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
PILIPALA: Wow that is amazing good for them

And thank you ladies for one of the best threads i have read it truely touch me and i would be grateful of any suggested reading material


You can watch a video here as well as read and visit the site.

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Feb 16, 2008 3:19 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
PILIPALA
PILIPALAPILIPALACardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK200 Threads 4,804 Posts
I love social history i have a read a lot of Welsh history . I think a lot of nations have suffered at the hands of others and am always interested in finding out more
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Feb 16, 2008 3:20 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
HealthyLiving: You can watch a video here as well as read and visit the site.



This is a good site to visit about the residential school system that was developed in Canada to get rid of the "Indian problem"...



wine
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Feb 16, 2008 3:20 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
PILIPALA
PILIPALAPILIPALACardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK200 Threads 4,804 Posts
HealthyLiving: You can watch a video here as well as read and visit the site.



Will do that tomorrow many thanksthumbs up
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Feb 16, 2008 3:23 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
HealthyLiving: Trish, you should find this VERY interesting. I posted it on my webpage yesterday.

During the week of December 17 - 19, 2007, Lakota Indian leaders traveled to Washington DC and withdrew from the constitutionally mandated treaties to become a free and independent country. They do so in a fully honest, legal, and ethical manner.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a handful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy. All were gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference. In other words, the Republic of Lakota is now inviting everyone within their country borders to join them and to live free and create a new government based on the laws of brotherhood.

Lakota leaders delivered a message to the United States State Department in December of 2007, announcing they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the United States.

The Lakota activists rightly describe treaties Native American's signed with the United States as "worthless words on worthless paper," because the United States never holds up their end of the treaty.

One such treaty is the Treaty of Fort Laramie, September 17, 1851. Article three of the treaty states, "United States bind themselves to protect the aforesaid Indian nations against the commission of all depredations by the people of the said United States, after the ratification of this treaty."

The Treaty of Fort Laramie from April 29, 1868 states, "The United States agrees that the following district of country... [describes a large geographic boundary] ... set apart for the absolute and undisturbed use and occupation of the Indians herein named..."

Upon these documents and others, the various tribes in the now Republic of Lakotah were guaranteed exclusive use and control of their lands in exchange for safe passage along the Oregon Trail.

Article six of the U.S. Constitution upholds treaties as the supreme law of the land, "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

The Republic of Lakotah withdrawal letter states, "The continuing violations of these treaties' terms have resulted in the near annihilation of our people physically, spiritually, and culturally."

In instances across the United States, our own government has completely betrayed and murdered countless numbers of Native Americans.

"After 150 years of colonial enforcement, when you back people into a corner there is only one alternative. That alternative is to bring freedom back into existence by taking it back - back to the love of freedom, to our life-way." Canupa Gluha Mani

LAKOTAH


I wish them nothing but success on this quest thumbs up

Thanks HL, great piece grin
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Feb 16, 2008 3:29 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
PILIPALA: Wow that is amazing good for them

And thank you ladies for one of the best threads i have read it truely touch me and i would be grateful of any suggested reading material


Hanta Yo which I mentioned earlier is by Ruth Beebe Hill and available at amazon - you will find others there too, Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee has been widely read too, I enjoyed it but dont know how accurate it is.
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Feb 16, 2008 3:32 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
The Apparitions....


Quietly sitting before a small fire,
A lone Indian begins a ceremonial respect.
Reaching into a pouch,
He brings out a matter of medicine.
Which he offers to the four winds,
To Mother Earth and all his relations.
And from his heart, soul and mind,
He speaks to the medicine,
Using a language taught to him,
A language carried through time,
By the apparitions before him,
His ancestors.


With words flowing from his heart,
Of the fire he speaks.
He ask the medicine for guidance,
To protect his people,
So that they will live a good life
And that their hearts, souls and minds,
Will be filled with the
Wisdom, knowledge and understanding
Of life and truth,
The traditional ways given to them,
As told through the medicine
By the apparitions before him,
His ancestors.


Gently he sprinkles the medicine upon the fire.
He has spoken words to the medicine
Using the old language of his people,
Words that the medicine knows.
For such words are of a language
That have been used for centuries
In such a sacred manner.
Words that the medicine recognizes,
Words of life that come from no book,
Words that in fact allow the medicine to work.
This the lone Indian knows,
For he is given a nod of approval
By the apparitions before him,
His ancestors.


And as the smoke heads upward,
Carrying the medicine and words,
An Eagle hover's above accepting the message,
Which will be delivered in a sacred manner.
And the apparitions of time gone by know
The Indian world will live on.
Such are the ways of a people,
Guided by apparitions of time gone by.
For here, there is no circus, no money,
No English words, no books, no mockery,
Just the reality of something very sacred,
Passed on to a people
By the apparitions who guide us,
The ancestors of yesterday...
Who guide only their people...

-by Larry Kibby-

Another beautiful poem....


wine
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Feb 16, 2008 3:33 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
PILIPALA
PILIPALAPILIPALACardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK200 Threads 4,804 Posts
trish123: Hanta Yo which I mentioned earlier is by Ruth Beebe Hill and available at amazon - you will find others there too, Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee has been widely read too, I enjoyed it but dont know how accurate it is.



I heard of i buried my heart at wounded knee think i will go look for it on Monday i could do with a good read mind you it doesn't do my eyes good as they end up puffy as i usual cry read this sort of thing as i did this thread
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Feb 16, 2008 3:34 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: This is a good site to visit about the residential school system that was developed in Canada to get rid of the "Indian problem"...



Thanks for the link. It is truely tragic what so many of the indian students have gone thru over the years, at the hands of prejudical teachers. So glad they now have a chance to tell their stories. Yet this comes at the loss of so many.
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Feb 16, 2008 3:36 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
HealthyLiving: Thanks for the link. It is truely tragic what so many of the indian students have gone thru over the years, at the hands of prejudical teachers. So glad they now have a chance to tell their stories. Yet this comes at the loss of so many.


Thanks for the links HL and Hugz, I have got both of then in favourites for tomorrow thumbs up
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Feb 16, 2008 3:36 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
HJFinAZ
HJFinAZHJFinAZSun CIty, Arizona USA870 Threads 1 Polls 17,068 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: <<<=======Proud Mohawk....


"Pretty" Mohawk!!!!!!!!!!!!!tongue



hug
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Feb 16, 2008 3:36 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
HealthyLiving: Thanks for the link. It is truely tragic what so many of the indian students have gone thru over the years, at the hands of prejudical teachers. So glad they now have a chance to tell their stories. Yet this comes at the loss of so many.


Yes it does...It was government policy and legislation to "assimilate" and similar policies and schools were developed in the US before the Canadian ones I believe...They were called "Indian Training Schools" I believe....conversing conversing
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Feb 16, 2008 3:38 PM CST The Trail of Tears.....
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: OMG!!!!!!!!! Oppression at it's best...there have been so many travesties in the world because of someone elses need to dominate...It's disgusting....


ABSOLUTELY!!!

Out of greed and selfishness!
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