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Feb 15, 2008 1:45 PM CST True U.S.A
inverphil
inverphilinverphildublin, Dublin Ireland101 Threads 761 Posts
Who with there roots could say could say they are true USA citizens.
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Feb 15, 2008 1:52 PM CST True U.S.A
OverTheWindow
OverTheWindowOverTheWindowChicago, Paris, Marseille, Illinois USA6 Threads 1 Polls 635 Posts
inverphil: Who with there roots could say could say they are true USA citizens.


doh I am French does that count? rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 15, 2008 1:57 PM CST True U.S.A
inverphil
inverphilinverphildublin, Dublin Ireland101 Threads 761 Posts
OverTheWindow: I am French does that count?

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Feb 15, 2008 2:04 PM CST True U.S.A
EricKissesDeeply
EricKissesDeeplyEricKissesDeeplyThe Mountains, USA15 Threads 1 Polls 1,146 Posts
inverphil: Who with there roots could say could say they are true USA citizens.


A persons roots should not matter.... the soil which they choose to nuture them should be thier claim.

My background comes from Europe (italy) and America (cherokee Indian)

But i was Born in America As an American...

Not an indian American,Italian American... or any other politically correct term...

I was Born As an American... i donot remeber on my birth certificate it saying i was transferred from somewhere else.

I think Double country name are B.S. i believe if i choose to say I'am Italian then i should move to Italy not expect any different treatment just because of it.

Or Indian American???? Native American???? i think American works well for me.
JMO

I believe we are American or Something else...But you cannot be both...
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Feb 15, 2008 2:18 PM CST True U.S.A
inverphil
inverphilinverphildublin, Dublin Ireland101 Threads 761 Posts
EricKissesDeeply: A persons roots should not matter.... the soil which they choose to nurture them should be their claim.

My background comes from Europe (Italy) and America (Cherokee Indian)

But i was Born in America As an American...

Not an Indian American,Italian American... or any other politically correct term...

I was Born As an American... i do not remember on my birth certificate it saying i was transferred from somewhere else.

I think Double country name are B.S. i believe if i choose to say Im Italian then i should move to Italy not expect any different treatment just because of it.

Or Indian American???? Native American???? i think American works well for me.
JMO

I believe we are American or Something else...But you cannot be both...

Good you have a claim you are part Cherokee you should be proud off your heritage good on you.
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Feb 15, 2008 2:35 PM CST True U.S.A
EricKissesDeeply: A persons roots should not matter.... the soil which they choose to nuture them should be thier claim.

My background comes from Europe (italy) and America (cherokee Indian)

But i was Born in America As an American...

Not an indian American,Italian American... or any other politically correct term...

I was Born As an American... i donot remeber on my birth certificate it saying i was transferred from somewhere else.

I think Double country name are B.S. i believe if i choose to say I'am Italian then i should move to Italy not expect any different treatment just because of it.

Or Indian American???? Native American???? i think American works well for me.
JMO

I believe we are American or Something else...But you cannot be both...


Has been stated on this Site once before:
"He who serves two masters must lie to one of them."

I wonder every time when I read those Doublenames.

The US of A is unlike any other Countries,it didn't just came to be,It was Created.
More so than any Countries here in Europe.
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Feb 15, 2008 2:50 PM CST True U.S.A
hmmmmm...

well i was born in the USA on American soil...so I am "true American", my blood line is a mixture if Irish, German, and Czech..guess I'm just another ingredient of the awesome melting pot of America...I'm very proud of my American soil as I am of my blood line...just makes me, me.yay
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Feb 15, 2008 2:51 PM CST True U.S.A
inverphil
inverphilinverphildublin, Dublin Ireland101 Threads 761 Posts
Come To Ireland Conrad and see Newgrange its there you will find the true natives of this world.
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Feb 15, 2008 3:01 PM CST True U.S.A
inverphil
inverphilinverphildublin, Dublin Ireland101 Threads 761 Posts
blue_eyed_blonde: hmmmmm...

well i was born in the USA on American soil...so I am "true American", my blood line is a mixture if Irish, German, and Czech..guess I'm just another ingredient of the awesome melting pot of America...I'm very proud of my American soil as I am of my blood line...just makes me, me.

So you are not true American you are a mix not from a tribe not from that country.
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Feb 15, 2008 3:05 PM CST True U.S.A
inverphil: So you are not true American you are a mix not from a tribe not from that country.


so im assuming as you said tribe..in order to be a "true" American, I have to be 100% Indian..correct? hmmmm...then I wonder if Germany, Ireland, or The Czech Republic would claim me...well cuss..I'm not a 100% of any of those either...so then I am a "true" nobody...LOL..rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 15, 2008 3:26 PM CST True U.S.A
inverphil
inverphilinverphildublin, Dublin Ireland101 Threads 761 Posts
blue_eyed_blonde: so im assuming as you said tribe..in order to be a "true" American, I have to be 100% Indian..correct? hmmmm...then I wonder if Germany, Ireland, or The Czech Republic would claim me...well cuss..I'm not a 100% of any of those either...so then I am a "true" nobody...LOL..

You where born there you are not a member off any tribe you are your roots such is your laughs.
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Feb 15, 2008 3:38 PM CST True U.S.A
The_Kansan
The_KansanThe_KansanKnoxville, Tennessee USA303 Threads 1 Polls 3,395 Posts
1. Even the "American Indians" came from somewhere else originally. America has no "truly native" people in the sense that you are alluding to.
2. In the 1800's, a "native American" was considered to be any white male born on this continent.
3. It's my belief that Theodore Roosevelt put it best when he said:

(Addressing the Knights of Columbus in New York City - October 12, 1915)

"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.

This is just as true of the man who puts "native" before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.

But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.

The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.

The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American."



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Feb 15, 2008 3:44 PM CST True U.S.A
girlnextdormouse
girlnextdormousegirlnextdormouseMarietta, Ohio USA34 Threads 544 Posts
inverphil: Who with there roots could say could say they are true USA citizens.


Legally? Anyone who meets the requirements of citizenship.

Anthropologically? - No one. Pangaea, migration across the isthimus land bridge, and such.
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Feb 15, 2008 3:46 PM CST True U.S.A
The_Kansan: 1. Even the "American Indians" came from somewhere else originally. America has no "truly native" people in the sense that you are alluding to.
2. In the 1800's, a "native American" was considered to be any white male born on this continent.
3. It's my belief that Theodore Roosevelt put it best when he said:

(Addressing the Knights of Columbus in New York City - October 12, 1915)

"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.

This is just as true of the man who puts "native" before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.

But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.

The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.

The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American."


Ayn Rand called that "Hyphenation" the "Balkanization" of America.
America (the US of A) was built on Individual Rights,not on Tribalism.
The First and probably the Only Country in the World to do so..
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Feb 15, 2008 3:48 PM CST True U.S.A
martyg
martygmartygDublin/Kildare, Dublin Ireland55 Threads 3 Polls 4,322 Posts
blue_eyed_blonde: hmmmmm...

well i was born in the USA on American soil...so I am "true American", my blood line is a mixture if Irish, German, and Czech..guess I'm just another ingredient of the awesome melting pot of America...I'm very proud of my American soil as I am of my blood line...just makes me, me.



So you do have some Irish in youyay yay yay

If you like that fact and you would like some more Irish in you just call me on 0004445557773499grin irish
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Feb 15, 2008 3:50 PM CST True U.S.A
martyg: So you do have some Irish in you

If you like that fact and you would like some more Irish in you just call me on 0004445557773499


Marty the Fast Worker.
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Feb 15, 2008 3:53 PM CST True U.S.A
martyg
martygmartygDublin/Kildare, Dublin Ireland55 Threads 3 Polls 4,322 Posts
Conrad73: Marty the Fast Worker.



Well at 44 it seems a shame to miss out on any opportunity Conradlaugh wave cheers
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Feb 15, 2008 3:53 PM CST True U.S.A
HJFinAZ
HJFinAZHJFinAZSun CIty, Arizona USA870 Threads 1 Polls 17,068 Posts
Great Grandmother Pottawattamie tribe, great Grandfather was from County Cork. He was hung in North Dakota for stealing horses in Canada and selling them to the U.S. Calvary. I wonder where the outlaw in me came from?

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Feb 15, 2008 3:59 PM CST True U.S.A
martyg: Well at 44 it seems a shame to miss out on any opportunity Conrad
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Feb 15, 2008 4:29 PM CST True U.S.A
martyg: So you do have some Irish in you

If you like that fact and you would like some more Irish in you just call me on 0004445557773499


the amount of irish i would need, may deplete you...rolling on the floor laughing

dont give me a fake number ty...rolling on the floor laughing hug
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