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Jun 4, 2008 2:32 PM CST Are we going into a recession?
Scottishlass
ScottishlassScottishlassKnoxville, Tennessee USA491 Threads 23 Polls 3,324 Posts
Are we going into a recession? whaddya mean going?
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Aug 6, 2008 12:17 AM CST Are we going into a recession?
friendsfirst
friendsfirstfriendsfirstBurbank, Illinois USA105 Threads 1 Polls 5,965 Posts
friendsfirst: Soaring food prices bedevil consumers, but they're a boon for Cal-Maine (CALM) Foods, America's biggest egg producer. Even while paying more for feed, the Jackson (Miss.) company has been able to pass on the costs, and then some, by hiking egg prices about 40% since last year. "The economics have been good for us," says CEO Fred R. Adams Jr.

Hi. Hope things are well for you. i have been goobling up the Calls +qkmhg. august 35 strike.

This stock pays 10% divy. Enjoy.

Armed and Ready.


cheering Just an update!wink devil

Cal-Maine Foods (CALM) is the largest egg producer and distributor in the US. It sells 685 million dozen eggs a year and holds a 15% market share, with a flock of 30 million birds including the 2 million recently acquired through the purchase of Zephyr Egg along with additional flock from the purchase of Cargill's egg operations.

In the quarter ending June 2008, the company reported a profit increase of 99% to $1.54 per share. Revenues for the quarter were up 39 % to $235.6 million while full-year earnings came in at $151.9 million, or $6.41 per share on sales of $916 million.

Feed costs are up 30% mainly due to the rise in corn prices; however, Cal-Maine kept its margins fat by passing on the increased costs to the consumers by raising egg prices by 40% since last year.

Moreover, CALM has been able to expand its margins further by selling specialty eggs, including organic, cage-free, vegetarian and low-cholestrol eggs, which contribute over 15% of their business. These are higher margin products and growing at 15-20% annually.

The company also pays out a hefty dividend as part of their plan to pay 33% of their earnings to share-holders. The stock currently yields over 5%, yet it trades at a Price to Sales ratio of 1 and a P/E of 6. Short interest in this stock runs extremely high at over 90%, so any move up might be exaggerated by short covering.

Critics argue that a fresh supply of eggs will hit the market in the next few months, driving down the prices. However, USDA estimates that the current US flock of chickens is 2% below last year's levels. Some analysts even argue that egg prices might rise to $2 per dozen over the next few months.

With commodities in a short-term downtrend, Cal-Maine will probably keep growing its margins by keeping prices high even as feed costs decline. Moreover, egg is still a better and cheaper protein source than meats and is a highly inelastic product.

Technically, the stock is very close to breaking out to an all-time high. In fact, the stock made an all-time intra-day high yesterday before pulling back. One strong rally on high volume is all that stands between the stock and an explosive move to the upside. Granted the stock has almost tripled from this time last year, but solid earnings, cheap valuation, strong demand for eggs and a high short-interest make for a great bull recipe.
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Aug 6, 2008 5:25 AM CST Are we going into a recession?
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
In the UK, whilst we have the 'credit crunch' and things have become expensive, we are not in a recession here, we will be, but not yet.

Since living in Austria, where there is a better standard of living for less money, and being back in the UK for the summer, I have noticed that petrol, food has increased in price, but food has been cheap for many years. The UK economy relys on the housing market, the banks have given mortgages to sub prime customers, for many years, people have borrowed up to 125% of the property value, then bang, the banks have no money, the Bank of England push up the interest rate, people cannot pay their mortgages, and we have a problem.

Small businesses here have been affected badly, our taxes are high, corporation tax has hindered small business when Gordon Brown as chancellor abolished the tax threshold without announcing it, jobs are lost because people go out of business.

My job is secure, thank goodness, but I feel for those who are not so secure, I work for an American business in Salzburg, we are tucked away there with little interference from the outside world.

The mood in the UK, I have noticed is one of constant worry, young families unable to buy homes, elderly people who are struggling to pay their fuel bills, it is a nation of doom and gloom.
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Aug 6, 2008 5:29 AM CST Are we going into a recession?
skimpydoo
skimpydooskimpydooDublin, Ireland170 Threads 3 Polls 4,805 Posts
Sommerauer71: In the UK, whilst we have the 'credit crunch' and things have become expensive, we are not in a recession here, we will be, but not yet.

Since living in Austria, where there is a better standard of living for less money, and being back in the UK for the summer, I have noticed that petrol, food has increased in price, but food has been cheap for many years. The UK economy relys on the housing market, the banks have given mortgages to sub prime customers, for many years, people have borrowed up to 125% of the property value, then bang, the banks have no money, the Bank of England push up the interest rate, people cannot pay their mortgages, and we have a problem.

Small businesses here have been affected badly, our taxes are high, corporation tax has hindered small business when Gordon Brown as chancellor abolished the tax threshold without announcing it, jobs are lost because people go out of business.

My job is secure, thank goodness, but I feel for those who are not so secure, I work for an American business in Salzburg, we are tucked away there with little interference from the outside world.

The mood in the UK, I have noticed is one of constant worry, young families unable to buy homes, elderly people who are struggling to pay their fuel bills, it is a nation of doom and gloom.


Its nearly as bad here in Ireland. People can't afford to buy property and there is also a property slump to. Builders are finding it hard to sell property and to top it of there will a 5 - 10 cents increase in a pint of Guinness.
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Aug 6, 2008 5:32 AM CST Are we going into a recession?
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
skimpydoo: Its nearly as bad here in Ireland. People can't afford to buy property and there is also a property slump to. Builders are finding it hard to sell property and to top it of there will a 5 - 10 cents increase in a pint of Guinness.


Hi Skimpy

In Austria, we can buy a packet of cigarettes for 4euros, a glass of wine for 2euros, I went out on Friday night, I paid £14 for two glasses of wine and £6.70 for a packet of cigarettes.

We should go back to Bharain darling, fuel there I could fill my car up for £15 and get pissed for about a tenner.
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Aug 6, 2008 5:33 AM CST Are we going into a recession?
skimpydoo
skimpydooskimpydooDublin, Ireland170 Threads 3 Polls 4,805 Posts
Sommerauer71: Hi Skimpy

In Austria, we can buy a packet of cigarettes for 4euros, a glass of wine for 2euros, I went out on Friday night, I paid £14 for two glasses of wine and £6.70 for a packet of cigarettes.

We should go back to Bharain darling, fuel there I could fill my car up for £15 and get pissed for about a tenner.


Bahrain sounds nice with lots of Mojitos cheers
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Aug 6, 2008 5:34 AM CST Are we going into a recession?
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
skimpydoo: Bahrain sounds nice with lots of Mojitos


And swarmas....

Equivalent to a kebab after a night on the vino collapso.
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Aug 6, 2008 5:37 AM CST Are we going into a recession?
skimpydoo
skimpydooskimpydooDublin, Ireland170 Threads 3 Polls 4,805 Posts
Sommerauer71: And swarmas....

Equivalent to a kebab after a night on the vino collapso.


Mmmm sounds nice you are a nice temptress.
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Aug 6, 2008 5:38 AM CST Are we going into a recession?
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
skimpydoo: Mmmm sounds nice you are a nice temptress.



Eh, I know how to show a man a good time, ten pints, a kebab, throwing up, all mine.
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Aug 6, 2008 5:39 AM CST Are we going into a recession?
skimpydoo
skimpydooskimpydooDublin, Ireland170 Threads 3 Polls 4,805 Posts
Sommerauer71: Eh, I know how to show a man a good time, ten pints, a kebab, throwing off our inhabitions, all mine.


Sounds good to me.thumbs up
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Aug 6, 2008 5:45 AM CST Are we going into a recession?
lusciousmile
lusciousmilelusciousmileThere, Aland Islands Finland25 Threads 2 Polls 11,989 Posts
pvictoria: Recession has been around the corner for the longest time .The question is can the economy of each country cope with it.It seems many jobs disappear in the long run due to computerization and manpower saving technologies.On the other hand a huge amount of new jobs got new created within many different fields.Who would have thought years ago you could hire a dog walker,personal manager etc.Look at ET field .Computer programers,Computer analysts,Web designers,Internet Marketing experts and the list goes on and on.

It is up to each individual to grow within this new era of employment and take the necassary steps to become employable.Night classes,job advancement courses etc are offered thruout the world since this is a world phenomen.


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I go to school during the day and work part time on evenings.

drinking
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Aug 6, 2008 5:55 AM CST Are we going into a recession?
pyaremohan
pyaremohanpyaremohandelhi, Delhi India19 Threads 1,084 Posts
Dont know about canada but yes, US economy will slowdown, growth rate being projected ~ 1% (Goldman Sachs), compared to India (8.9%) for FY'08. Moreover, if dollar depreciates further compared to south asian currencies, definitely it will be negative cues for IT, Textile, Offshore (KPO's and BPO's).
I believe, in second half of 2008, we might see US banks to show better results. At this point of time, given the crunch situation, it is expected that there will be serious cost cutting in various sectors.

I'm never gonna dance again...guilty feet have got no rhyth

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Aug 6, 2008 5:57 AM CST Are we going into a recession?
pyaremohan
pyaremohanpyaremohandelhi, Delhi India19 Threads 1,084 Posts
Sommerauer71: Hi Skimpy

In Austria, we can buy a packet of cigarettes for 4euros, a glass of wine for 2euros, I went out on Friday night, I paid £14 for two glasses of wine and £6.70 for a packet of cigarettes.

We should go back to Bharain darling, fuel there I could fill my car up for £15 and get pissed for about a tenner.


we r facin massive inflation by our moderate past standards ,but a pack of cigg. cost like 35-55 rupees which is like a euro.n cigg r world class tongue
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Aug 6, 2008 7:03 AM CST Are we going into a recession?
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
I think we have been in a recession for years......at least at my house.rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Aug 6, 2008 7:23 AM CST Are we going into a recession?
ANurse4U
ANurse4UANurse4UMemphis, Tennessee USA14 Threads 525 Posts
Are we going into a recession? We've been gone laugh
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Aug 6, 2008 8:27 AM CST Are we going into a recession?
LovingMassage
LovingMassageLovingMassageCentral Missouri, Missouri USA8 Threads 181 Posts
I do not know about Canada's economy. Everything in Canada is a complete and total mystery to me.

That being said, from an economist standpoint, which was what I did for 15 years of my life, I can say we are not in recession.

I think the media would like us to be. The more they can downgrade our economy and create fear in the markets, the more likelihood they will have of getting their anointed one elected as president.

The definition of a recession is at least 2 straight quarters of economic downturn. We did have one quarter - half way there. But the figures were released for this quarter and the economy GREW by 2%.

In the U.S., despite layoffs, there is still only about a 5.6% unemployment, which is still historically very low. That means that laid off workers are not as fast to file for unemployment compensation because they are finding other positions.

We do have some pretty pressing issues that if not addressed WILL cause a recession, no matter which party is in office.

We have to decrease demand somewhat and increase our own production of oil.

We have to address rising health care costs.

These are two categories that are putting a tremendous strain on small business owners. While 1,000 people being laid off by a plant is certainly not a good thing, having millions of small business owners that have to lay off just one person because they cannot afford their payroll is a MUCH bigger effect.
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Aug 6, 2008 1:02 PM CST Are we going into a recession?
friendsfirst
friendsfirstfriendsfirstBurbank, Illinois USA105 Threads 1 Polls 5,965 Posts
friendsfirst: Just an update !

Cal-Maine Foods (CALM) is the largest egg producer and distributor in the US. It sells 685 million dozen eggs a year and holds a 15% market share, with a flock of 30 million birds including the 2 million recently acquired through the purchase of Zephyr Egg along with additional flock from the purchase of Cargill's egg operations.

In the quarter ending June 2008, the company reported a profit increase of 99% to $1.54 per share. Revenues for the quarter were up 39 % to $235.6 million while full-year earnings came in at $151.9 million, or $6.41 per share on sales of $916 million.

Feed costs are up 30% mainly due to the rise in corn prices; however, Cal-Maine kept its margins fat by passing on the increased costs to the consumers by raising egg prices by 40% since last year.

Moreover, CALM has been able to expand its margins further by selling specialty eggs, including organic, cage-free, vegetarian and low-cholestrol eggs, which contribute over 15% of their business. These are higher margin products and growing at 15-20% annually.

The company also pays out a hefty dividend as part of their plan to pay 33% of their earnings to share-holders. The stock currently yields over 5%, yet it trades at a Price to Sales ratio of 1 and a P/E of 6. Short interest in this stock runs extremely high at over 90%, so any move up might be exaggerated by short covering.

Critics argue that a fresh supply of eggs will hit the market in the next few months, driving down the prices. However, USDA estimates that the current US flock of chickens is 2% below last year's levels. Some analysts even argue that egg prices might rise to $2 per dozen over the next few months.

With commodities in a short-term downtrend, Cal-Maine will probably keep growing its margins by keeping prices high even as feed costs decline. Moreover, egg is still a better and cheaper protein source than meats and is a highly inelastic product.

Technically, the stock is very close to breaking out to an all-time high. In fact, the stock made an all-time intra-day high yesterday before pulling back. One strong rally on high volume is all that stands between the stock and an explosive move to the upside. Granted the stock has almost tripled from this time last year, but solid earnings, cheap valuation, strong demand for eggs and a high short-interest make for a great bull recipe.


This in plain English means,Burn in hell bad guys.OMG!




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Aug 6, 2008 1:04 PM CST Are we going into a recession?
Spaghetti
SpaghettiSpaghettiGreensboro, North Carolina USA1 Threads 151 Posts
If you're have a job related to housing, from carpenters to appliance makers, they'll tell you we've been in a recession for some time. And one smarty pants talking-head on tv said we're only in the 4th inning. Of a double-header.

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Aug 6, 2008 1:12 PM CST Are we going into a recession?
friendsfirst
friendsfirstfriendsfirstBurbank, Illinois USA105 Threads 1 Polls 5,965 Posts
Spaghetti: If you're have a job related to housing, from carpenters to appliance makers, they'll tell you we've been in a recession for some time. And one smarty pants talking-head on tv said we're only in the 4th inning. Of a double-header.


We just got 10,000 units back from CHINA.
They are unable to produce.

OIL should hit $90 BBL USD...Per my sources.thumbs up

DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE! Look into the SUN!
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Aug 6, 2008 1:22 PM CST Are we going into a recession?
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
the difference between a recession and a depression:...a recession is when your niehbor is out of work....a depression is when your out of workprofessor
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