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Jun 18, 2008 6:06 PM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
PeachesandRay
PeachesandRayPeachesandRayConcord, North Carolina USA72 Threads 1 Polls 1,358 Posts
I know I could research this on the internet, but the very personal side of me would like to get the information straight from a person who knows what they're talking about, pleasehandshake

I have a million questions to ask, but will only list a couple, and would welcome any additional information, factual please, so I won't go on "hear say" to help someone close to meangel

1- Does the illness get worse to cope with as someone gets older and the meds have to be continually changed in some way either dosage or type?

2-Will a person eventually arrive at the point in his/her life that around the clock care is advisable because of not being able to function without harm to themselves or someone else?

3-How can I be of the most help in the care or friendship with this person?

4-Are there persons who should not live independent lives whose level of this disability impair rational thinking?

Like I said, millions more questions, but these questions and any reference material you can recommend would be greatly appreciatedhug

Most Gratefully,
Peachesteddybear
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Jun 18, 2008 6:08 PM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
PeachesandRay
PeachesandRayPeachesandRayConcord, North Carolina USA72 Threads 1 Polls 1,358 Posts
PeachesandRay: I know I could research this on the internet, but the very personal side of me would like to get the information straight from a person who knows what they're talking about, please

I have a million questions to ask, but will only list a couple, and would welcome any additional information, factual please, so I won't go on "hear say" to help someone close to me

1- Does the illness get worse to cope with as someone gets older and the meds have to be continually changed in some way either dosage or type?

2-Will a person eventually arrive at the point in his/her life that around the clock care is advisable because of not being able to function without harm to themselves or someone else?

3-How can I be of the most help in the care or friendship with this person?

4-Are there persons who should not live independent lives whose level of this disability impair rational thinking?

Like I said, millions more questions, but these questions and any reference material you can recommend would be greatly appreciated

Most Gratefully,
Peaches


Sorry to post and run...BRB in awhileteddybear
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Jun 18, 2008 6:10 PM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
gingerb
gingerbgingerbLetterkenny, Donegal Ireland7 Threads 1 Polls 4,139 Posts
Best getting professional help on this one. Many people with bi-polar don't have the same set of symptoms. A psychiatrist or other professional would be your best bet to ask questions of, in particular someone who is dealing with your friend and knows the history.

I know this because I often work with people with bi-polar through the mental health association here.
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Jun 18, 2008 6:19 PM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
mbcasey
mbcaseymbcaseyNorth Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA68 Threads 7 Polls 16,449 Posts
Hi Shelia...I have bipolar depression and will try to answer any questions you have. However, the illness is like snowflakes..it is different with every person. Things that have happened to me personally may not have happened to someone else with the same disease.

1.My illness has gotton worse over the years. I was diagnosed 30 years ago, and it has progressed in severity. Now the question about meds is very tricky. Some people have success with medication. Personally, I haven't found a medication that works for me. I have tried dozens, from Aventyl to xanax. But it is common for bipolar people to change meds or at least adjust dosages.

2.I don't think around the clock care will be necessary, unless the person becomes suicidal. Now there could be times when a person needs extra attention, and monitering if their illness (especially during a manic phase) gets out of control. But I don't think it would be around the clock treatment in most cases.

3.Just be friends and treat them as you always have. Be patient and try to be understanding, especially if they say something hurtful to you. Sometimes I say things I really do not mean, and I always ask forgiveness. But sometimes a person with bipolar do not realize they are being hurtful, so that is where the patience comes in.

4.Yes...some bipolars cannot live independent lives. Sometimes irrational thinking can get bipolars in trouble. During manic phases, I have heard people rolling up thousands of dollars of debt buying things they do not need. During very depressed stages, some people do things because of feelings of paranoia, or a feeling of loss. I would say most bipolars can live independent lives especially if they have found the right medication.

Any other questions, please feel free to ask...hug hug
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Jun 18, 2008 6:19 PM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Hello Peaches.

I have been going through this with a friend recently and can add a few comments. First and foremost, I will tell you that the individual I know is an extremely well-educated and well-trained PHYSICIAN! Seriously, one of the best in the business - but even he had a problem with resolving the problem.

It is a difficult, difficult disease. However, getting the RIGHT meds is critical. From what I've heard, everyone reacts differently and it is DANGEROUS to wean off one medicine and onto another. During that time, you should be very concerned about the person being harmful - but if you're lucky they will also tell you they are having those thoughts.

If the medication is not working and the disorder i still ruining lives - the best thing YOU can do is act as the advocate. Some doctors are hesitant to admit they have made a mistake in the diagnosis and/or prescription and you absolutely should insist on seeing another. In other words, STEP-IN if the meds aren't working.

If you would like, I would be most happy to get more information. If someone near you suffers from this, I'm sure you are suffering, too.

Also, to the best of my knowledge, there is no reason to suspect it will get worse or that they would not be able to lead independent lives, etc. But you will probably have to monitor those meds with great care and perhaps go through episodes where they need to be switched or adjusted which would cause an increased danger.

This is just what I have learned through my friend's experience. Not a doctor!!!!!!!

I'll ask and get you the link for a good website.
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Jun 18, 2008 6:21 PM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
Arlene101
Arlene101Arlene101Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia Canada9 Threads 3,320 Posts
mbcasey: Hi Shelia...I have bipolar depression and will try to answer any questions you have. However, the illness is like snowflakes..it is different with every person. Things that have happened to me personally may not have happened to someone else with the same disease.

1.My illness has gotton worse over the years. I was diagnosed 30 years ago, and it has progressed in severity. Now the question about meds is very tricky. Some people have success with medication. Personally, I haven't found a medication that works for me. I have tried dozens, from Aventyl to xanax. But it is common for bipolar people to change meds or at least adjust dosages.

2.I don't think around the clock care will be necessary, unless the person becomes suicidal. Now there could be times when a person needs extra attention, and monitering if their illness (especially during a manic phase) gets out of control. But I don't think it would be around the clock treatment in most cases.

3.Just be friends and treat them as you always have. Be patient and try to be understanding, especially if they say something hurtful to you. Sometimes I say things I really do not mean, and I always ask forgiveness. But sometimes a person with bipolar do not realize they are being hurtful, so that is where the patience comes in.

4.Yes...some bipolars cannot live independent lives. Sometimes irrational thinking can get bipolars in trouble. During manic phases, I have heard people rolling up thousands of dollars of debt buying things they do not need. During very depressed stages, some people do things because of feelings of paranoia, or a feeling of loss. I would say most bipolars can live independent lives especially if they have found the right medication.

Any other questions, please feel free to ask...
I was looking for you for this.laugh laugh thumbs up Then I came back from e-mailing peaches and poof --there you were. good luck!!!
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Jun 18, 2008 6:22 PM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
mbcasey: Hi Shelia...I have bipolar depression and will try to answer any questions you have. However, the illness is like snowflakes..it is different with every person. Things that have happened to me personally may not have happened to someone else with the same disease.

1.My illness has gotton worse over the years. I was diagnosed 30 years ago, and it has progressed in severity. Now the question about meds is very tricky. Some people have success with medication. Personally, I haven't found a medication that works for me. I have tried dozens, from Aventyl to xanax. But it is common for bipolar people to change meds or at least adjust dosages.

2.I don't think around the clock care will be necessary, unless the person becomes suicidal. Now there could be times when a person needs extra attention, and monitering if their illness (especially during a manic phase) gets out of control. But I don't think it would be around the clock treatment in most cases.

3.Just be friends and treat them as you always have. Be patient and try to be understanding, especially if they say something hurtful to you. Sometimes I say things I really do not mean, and I always ask forgiveness. But sometimes a person with bipolar do not realize they are being hurtful, so that is where the patience comes in.

4.Yes...some bipolars cannot live independent lives. Sometimes irrational thinking can get bipolars in trouble. During manic phases, I have heard people rolling up thousands of dollars of debt buying things they do not need. During very depressed stages, some people do things because of feelings of paranoia, or a feeling of loss. I would say most bipolars can live independent lives especially if they have found the right medication.

Any other questions, please feel free to ask...


Oops! Sorry Mr. Casey. Had I known you were better experienced and posting, I would have shut up! All the best.
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Jun 18, 2008 6:24 PM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
mbcasey
mbcaseymbcaseyNorth Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA68 Threads 7 Polls 16,449 Posts
WhatUwish4: Oops! Sorry Mr. Casey. Had I known you were better experienced and posting, I would have shut up! All the best.


Even though I have the illness, I am no expert. I am sure Shelia would like to hear fromn all kinds of points of view.thumbs up
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Jun 18, 2008 6:36 PM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
mbcasey: Even though I have the illness, I am no expert. I am sure Shelia would like to hear fromn all kinds of points of view.


Thanks. Maybe you should talk to my doctor friend! Not only is he brilliant (and I don't say things like that lightly), but he's fighting the same battle.

Anyway, I'll get "his version" of all the leading info and post it for anyone who is interested.
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Jun 18, 2008 8:39 PM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
PeachesandRay
PeachesandRayPeachesandRayConcord, North Carolina USA72 Threads 1 Polls 1,358 Posts
mbcasey: Even though I have the illness, I am no expert. I am sure Shelia would like to hear fromn all kinds of points of view.


Sorry to be getting back so late, just walked in...Ken, Thank you for taking the time to share your wisdom about this situation. I know I can trust you completely about your knowledge & experiences over the years. I appreciate all your advice.

Sincerely,
Sheliahug
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Jun 18, 2008 8:40 PM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
PeachesandRay
PeachesandRayPeachesandRayConcord, North Carolina USA72 Threads 1 Polls 1,358 Posts
WhatUwish4: Thanks. Maybe you should talk to my doctor friend! Not only is he brilliant (and I don't say things like that lightly), but he's fighting the same battle.

Anyway, I'll get "his version" of all the leading info and post it for anyone who is interested.


I would greatly appreciate any advice your Dr. friend would like to sharehandshake

Most Gratefully,
Sheliateddybear
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Jun 18, 2008 8:41 PM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
PeachesandRay
PeachesandRayPeachesandRayConcord, North Carolina USA72 Threads 1 Polls 1,358 Posts
PeachesandRay: I know I could research this on the internet, but the very personal side of me would like to get the information straight from a person who knows what they're talking about, please

I have a million questions to ask, but will only list a couple, and would welcome any additional information, factual please, so I won't go on "hear say" to help someone close to me

1- Does the illness get worse to cope with as someone gets older and the meds have to be continually changed in some way either dosage or type?

2-Will a person eventually arrive at the point in his/her life that around the clock care is advisable because of not being able to function without harm to themselves or someone else?

3-How can I be of the most help in the care or friendship with this person?

4-Are there persons who should not live independent lives whose level of this disability impair rational thinking?

Like I said, millions more questions, but these questions and any reference material you can recommend would be greatly appreciated

Most Gratefully,
Peaches


Thank you all for sharing your experiences and advice. It has all been a Great Help.

Got a long day tomorrow...calling it a nightteddybear
Shelia
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Jun 18, 2008 10:13 PM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
rivame
rivamerivamemelbourne, Victoria Australia54 Threads 3 Polls 4,601 Posts
mbcasey: Hi Shelia...I have bipolar depression and will try to answer any questions you have. However, the illness is like snowflakes..it is different with every person. Things that have happened to me personally may not have happened to someone else with the same disease.

1.My illness has gotton worse over the years. I was diagnosed 30 years ago, and it has progressed in severity. Now the question about meds is very tricky. Some people have success with medication. Personally, I haven't found a medication that works for me. I have tried dozens, from Aventyl to xanax. But it is common for bipolar people to change meds or at least adjust dosages.

2.I don't think around the clock care will be necessary, unless the person becomes suicidal. Now there could be times when a person needs extra attention, and monitering if their illness (especially during a manic phase) gets out of control. But I don't think it would be around the clock treatment in most cases.

3.Just be friends and treat them as you always have. Be patient and try to be understanding, especially if they say something hurtful to you. Sometimes I say things I really do not mean, and I always ask forgiveness. But sometimes a person with bipolar do not realize they are being hurtful, so that is where the patience comes in.

4.Yes...some bipolars cannot live independent lives. Sometimes irrational thinking can get bipolars in trouble. During manic phases, I have heard people rolling up thousands of dollars of debt buying things they do not need. During very depressed stages, some people do things because of feelings of paranoia, or a feeling of loss. I would say most bipolars can live independent lives especially if they have found the right medication.

Any other questions, please feel free to ask...


you darling man....I know just how open and honest you are with this...and how much you try to assist othersskiss hug

I am not suffering from bipolar but have a few friends very dear to me who do....have read a lot of internet stuff...which is all pretty much the same...lots of info but no real insight....

a book i found very good reading is one called....An unquiet mind...written by Kaye.Jamieson Redfern who although a dr of phsyciatry is herself a bipolar sufferer I recommend reading this......
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Jun 18, 2008 11:39 PM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
mbcasey
mbcaseymbcaseyNorth Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA68 Threads 7 Polls 16,449 Posts
PeachesandRay: Sorry to be getting back so late, just walked in...Ken, Thank you for taking the time to share your wisdom about this situation. I know I can trust you completely about your knowledge & experiences over the years. I appreciate all your advice.

Sincerely,
Shelia


I will be happy to answer any and all questions Shelia. But I may not know everything about the disease. So other people may give you better advice than me.hug
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Jun 18, 2008 11:40 PM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
mbcasey
mbcaseymbcaseyNorth Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA68 Threads 7 Polls 16,449 Posts
rivame: you darling man....I know just how open and honest you are with this...and how much you try to assist otherss

I am not suffering from bipolar but have a few friends very dear to me who do....have read a lot of internet stuff...which is all pretty much the same...lots of info but no real insight....

a book i found very good reading is one called....An unquiet mind...written by Kaye.Jamieson Redfern who although a dr of phsyciatry is herself a bipolar sufferer I recommend reading this......


Thanks Ursula...I have heard good things about the book you are recommending...I should read it myself.
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Jun 19, 2008 8:00 AM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
trublu
trublutrubluRialto, USA14 Threads 1 Polls 208 Posts
Only pertinent factor in any of those questions is the person who has the bipolar condition. If they stay on their meds per the doctors instructions, have them checked and tracked like they are supposed to etc....otherwise, walk, or run, the other way.
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Jun 19, 2008 8:42 AM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
alex_192
alex_192alex_192sarasota, USA38 Threads 1,271 Posts
PeachesandRay: I know I could research this on the internet, but the very personal side of me would like to get the information straight from a person who knows what they're talking about, please

I have a million questions to ask, but will only list a couple, and would welcome any additional information, factual please, so I won't go on "hear say" to help someone close to me

1- Does the illness get worse to cope with as someone gets older and the meds have to be continually changed in some way either dosage or type?

2-Will a person eventually arrive at the point in his/her life that around the clock care is advisable because of not being able to function without harm to themselves or someone else?

3-How can I be of the most help in the care or friendship with this person?

4-Are there persons who should not live independent lives whose level of this disability impair rational thinking?

Like I said, millions more questions, but these questions and any reference material you can recommend would be greatly appreciated

Most Gratefully,
Peaches


first. the person has to be aware of his/her illness
second, he/she has to take the medications as prescribed. knowing thjat no matter how good he/she feels, it is based on the medications and should not leave it

then a "normal" life can be achived (normal in the sence of so many physical illnes that when yu take yur medications or yu keep yur diet)

i dont know detaisl about changing medicines, or geting worst
but i know some one tha was diagnotic to be bipolar more than 10 years ago and no one that is not aware of her condition will say she is not normal
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Jun 19, 2008 1:15 PM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
arabella
arabellaarabellaNear Farmington, Maine USA98 Threads 1 Polls 6,199 Posts
mbcasey: Hi Shelia...I have bipolar depression and will try to answer any questions you have. However, the illness is like snowflakes..it is different with every person. Things that have happened to me personally may not have happened to someone else with the same disease.

1.My illness has gotton worse over the years. I was diagnosed 30 years ago, and it has progressed in severity. Now the question about meds is very tricky. Some people have success with medication. Personally, I haven't found a medication that works for me. I have tried dozens, from Aventyl to xanax. But it is common for bipolar people to change meds or at least adjust dosages.

2.I don't think around the clock care will be necessary, unless the person becomes suicidal. Now there could be times when a person needs extra attention, and monitering if their illness (especially during a manic phase) gets out of control. But I don't think it would be around the clock treatment in most cases.

3.Just be friends and treat them as you always have. Be patient and try to be understanding, especially if they say something hurtful to you. Sometimes I say things I really do not mean, and I always ask forgiveness. But sometimes a person with bipolar do not realize they are being hurtful, so that is where the patience comes in.

4.Yes...some bipolars cannot live independent lives. Sometimes irrational thinking can get bipolars in trouble. During manic phases, I have heard people rolling up thousands of dollars of debt buying things they do not need. During very depressed stages, some people do things because of feelings of paranoia, or a feeling of loss. I would say most bipolars can live independent lives especially if they have found the right medication.

Any other questions, please feel free to ask...


Good Post!

I have observed my neighbor who has this disability.

He has medication that he uses, but he also uses other illegal drugs, sometimes to excess.

I believe that his use of his prescription and these other drugs makes his life even more complicated. And especially makes his depressed stages much worse.

I think it's so important to understand a disability if you are living it or living with it and to act in a way that helps lessen the effects.
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Jun 19, 2008 1:59 PM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
mbcasey
mbcaseymbcaseyNorth Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA68 Threads 7 Polls 16,449 Posts
arabella: Good Post!

I have observed my neighbor who has this disability.

He has medication that he uses, but he also uses other illegal drugs, sometimes to excess.

I believe that his use of his prescription and these other drugs makes his life even more complicated. And especially makes his depressed stages much worse.

I think it's so important to understand a disability if you are living it or living with it and to act in a way that helps lessen the effects.


That is so true Joanie. Mixing your meds with other drugs or alcohol can be very dangerous. I hope the person you are asking about Shelia does not do this.
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Jun 19, 2008 2:00 PM CST Need any advice you may have on knowing someone who is bipolar and its symtoms
langleygirl
langleygirllangleygirlWestlock, Alberta Canada70 Threads 8,202 Posts
trublu: Only pertinent factor in any of those questions is the person who has the bipolar condition. If they stay on their meds per the doctors instructions, have them checked and tracked like they are supposed to etc....otherwise, walk, or run, the other way.


So what happens when medications don't work for a particular person? Doesn't mean that they haven't tried treatment, been to the doctors etc. ............. we just walk away? I think that this just shows the lack of understanding of how complex mental illness can be. Even if one is lucky enough to find a medication that does work - there are still no guarantees that its a permanent solution.

To walk away or run away is not the solution and can actually make it worse. People need to educate themselves and find out from the professionals, support groups for families, and not simply abandon people. Its not their fault, they've done nothing wrong and most importantly remember it could be have you or it may be you facing this or a similar issue one day. Oh and it don't last one day - sometimes its like hell on earth.
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