WhatUwish4: Ras, your HUGE OVERSIZED attack on me was completely unprovoked and just plain hateful. I posted my "submission" just like everyone else and for some bizarre reason you singled me out and took the forum completely OFF TRACK....
And frankly, it's been in the gutter ever since.
You have no one to blame but yourself my friend. You cannot complain about personal attacks when you were the first to initiate them.
You re read page 3... my response to you was tame, till your next reply calling me a hyprocrit.
same offer to you, let it go and I will do the same. as I had already let it go before till others decided to keep it going.
WhatUwish4: I'm so glad that you feel you are entitled to lash out at someone who in no way provoked you and then expect the world to just let it pass because that was ages ago and you caught some heat for it.
That is NOT the point here! The point is that you're complaining about a personal attack when you were the VERY first person to do so.
You just cannot have it both ways.But maybe it's that "CRACK PIPE" I'm smoking.
Geeze. What a hypocrite
right there again.. and you wonder why I defend myself.
And this is part of the problem here. I do not happen to believe that "Bush killed over 3,000 of our troops." To me it's just not a valild statement, which is why I did not address it in my response to Ras. It would have only further provoked an issue which we shouldn't have been discussing anyway.
But that's just my opinion...We are still allowed to have opinions, right?
– John McCain on the Today Show with Matt Lauer responding to the question “If it’s working (the surge), Senator, do you now have a better estimate of when American forces can come home from Iraq?”, June 11, 2008
McCain-"“No, but that’s not too important. What’s important is the casualties in Iraq.”
Hillary Clinton “I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”
WhatUwish4: And this is part of the problem here. I do not happen to believe that "Bush killed over 3,000 of our troops." To me it's just not a valild statement, which is why I did not address it in my response to Ras. It would have only further provoked an issue which we shouldn't have been discussing anyway. But that's just my opinion...We are still allowed to have opinions, right?
It's all too easy to blame the boss regardless of who it is. A quick look at history proves this. granted that Bush has been in the hot seat far more than others have been.
You are still free to have your opinion but just remember mine is always right.
WhatUwish4: And this is part of the problem here. I do not happen to believe that "Bush killed over 3,000 of our troops." To me it's just not a valild statement, which is why I did not address it in my response to Ras. It would have only further provoked an issue which we shouldn't have been discussing anyway. But that's just my opinion...We are still allowed to have opinions, right?
Then please tell me who pushed the hardest to send our troops over there? Who lied the most to get congress to get them to agree?
or is it that you don't believe that over 3000 have died?
gingerb: "Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." Ronald Reagan
Very Interesting!! Have a Go at this. He was closer to it than HE thought!
Do trees pollute the atmosphere?
* Tim Radford * The Guardian, * Thursday May 13, 2004
Yes, just as president Ronald Reagan said in 1981. "Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do," he opined. A little later, environmental scientists ruefully confirmed he was partially right. In hot weather, trees release volatile organic hydrocarbons including terpenes and isoprenes - two molecules linked to photochemical smog. In very hot weather, the production of these begins to accelerate.
America's Great Smoky Mountains are supposed to take their name from the photochemical smog released by millions of hectares of hardwoods.
This week Natural Environment Research Council scientists warned that as summer temperatures rise in the UK, the isoprene output from trees could make a small but noticeable contribution to human discomfort. Isoprene serves as a catalyst, driving the rate at which sunlight breaks down oxides of nitrogen - mostly from agriculture and cars - to produce atmospheric ozone.
Ozone is a triple molecule of oxygen. High in the stratosphere it is a godsend, screening out cancer-causing ultraviolet radiation. But in the lower atmosphere it is a toxin: it causes stinging eyes, prickling nostrils and aggravates severe respiratory problems. Statisticians calculate that in August 2003 - the long hot summer that caused an estimated 20,000 deaths in western Europe - more than 500 British deaths could be attributed to ozone pollution.
But the experts say the trees alone are not the problem. The real villain is the motor car. Trees soak up carbon dioxide, and respire oxygen, doing far more good than harm. And finally, as one forester observed: why worry about a few harmful natural chemicals? In a truly antiseptic world we would all be dead. About this article Close This article appeared in the Guardian on Thursday May 13 2004 . It was last updated at 12:21 on January 05 2006.
After decades of preaching that the hallmark of an intellectual consists of proclaiming the impotence of the intellect, these modern zombies are left aghast before the fact that they have succeeded—that they are impotent to ignite the lights of civilization, which they have extinguished—that they are impotent to halt the triumphant advance of the primordial brute, whom they have released—that they have no answer to give to those voices out of the Dark Ages who gloat that reason and freedom have had their chance and have failed, and that the future, like the long night of the past, belongs once more to faith and force.
These two figures—the man of faith and the man of force—are philosophical archetypes, psychological symbols and historical reality. As philosophical archetypes, they embody two variants of a certain view of man and of existence. As psychological symbols, they represent the basic motivation of a great many men who exist in any era, culture or society. As historical reality, they are the actual rulers of most of mankind’s societies, who rise to power whenever men abandon reason.
PS Since you've been gracious enough to at least ask for some reasoning, I'm going to take advantage and add one final thought.
Given the fact that we KNOW their ideology is to make war on all infidels - the fact that this is their inherent belief and NOTHING is going to change their mind
And given the fact that they are now living and working and planning their "Mission" in many different countries all over the world
Where are we going to be if we just drop this matter?
This "Great Divide" that we are experiencing now between Republicans and Democrats it playing right into their hands. We are weakening ourselves in their eyes and in the eyes of the world, and it's making it much easier for them to grow and prepare for their ugly little mission. It's also weakening our resolve and ability to focus on them because we're all sitting around arguing with each other!
So what I keep asking myself is - given what we know to be true about these people and their unyeilding beliefs - where are we going to be with this problem if we just drop the matter? Is there another solution to somehow containing this group? If their absolute mission in life is to rid the world of all but their own - and they believe martyrdom is holy - how do you fight that kind of mentality?
The only answer I can find is to go back to the way we once were and say, "We are America and we are United in our commitment to America and the world" and we are not going to allow you to grow and succeed in your mission." We WOULD have the support of other countries if they knew they could rely on our resolve. But hell, look at us! I wouldn't trust us either because we are tearing ourselfs up of this matter.
So help me out here. Take some time and explain to me what you feel should be done about these people. Or how we can handle them, or whatever. Forget politics. We're just talking concept, ok???
So no, Ras, I don't even pretend to know all the facts.
the true story or the intelligence gathered was set aside, and Bush accepted only what could be used to start this war, ignoring all that gave reasons not to. you have bought into all of the war mongering bull. so ack yourself.. who attacked us on 9/11.(arabs)but we can't attack them because if all of their oil was cut off from us.. our Country would come to a screaming halt. so we attach Iraq??? it has been proven that iraq has no WMD and no solid proof of Iraq having any terrorist ties to BinLaden. So tell me, How do we leap from being attacked by Arabs to attacking Iraq? And now close to war with Iran??
I am not going to play teacher to someone that has not even tried to study the facts, do some digging, Do you think Kasinage (sp) can push for impeachment without records? Chaneys ex company Halliburton has made Billions of dollars off of this war,, and the bid given to them without due process. this is again illegal and a Huge conflict of interest.
A war on terrorist is fine... But only if we attack the guilty parties and only with proof.
look at it like this: if the guy at the end of the block shoots at your house.. are you going to shoot your next door neighbor because they are easier to hit?
The issue is not .. what do our troops think or their mission, the question is.. why are we there to start with.
Even our own inspectors told us way before this war started that Iraq did not Have WMD's... do the studying required, you will find this is true.
Bush wanted this war.. at any cost. an intellectual leap is impossible without studying and understanding the truth.
intellectual= Endowed with intellect; having the power of understanding; having capacity for the higher forms of knowledge or thought; characterized by intelligence or mental capacity; as, an intellectual person.
Hey Mister! You snuck in between my two posts! Oh well, maybe it will help deflect the bows and arrows. I wonder if Portia still needs that body armor from the "ban smoking" forum????
Anyway, I had to read that quote of yours twice...and may have to read it a third time. It's just a tad too complex for this wee hour of the mornng. But it actually seems perfectly well timed given all this stuff here.
the true story or the intelligence gathered was set aside, and Bush accepted only what could be used to start this war, ignoring all that gave reasons not to.
How do you know this? What is the source and has it been publically acknowledged by the government (and not some crappy little piss ant committee) as truth?
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And frankly, it's been in the gutter ever since.
You have no one to blame but yourself my friend. You cannot complain about personal attacks when you were the first to initiate them.
You re read page 3... my response to you was tame, till your next reply calling me a hyprocrit.
same offer to you,
let it go and I will do the same.
as I had already let it go before till others decided to keep it going.