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Sep 18, 2008 9:16 PM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
russianwarrior
russianwarriorrussianwarriorgreenville, South Carolina USA8 Threads 97 Posts
most of us no in America, republicans are the party of the rich. look how long it took to give poor people a pay raise. only happen when democrats took over the senate.
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Sep 18, 2008 9:38 PM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
MEDIA RECOUNT: BUSH
WON THE 2000 ELECTION

PBS.ORG

More than three months after Democrat Al Gore conceded the hotly contested 2000 election, an independent hand recount of Florida's ballots released today says he would have lost anyway, even if officials would have allowed the hand count he requested.

In the first full study of Florida's ballots since the election ended, The Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.
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Sep 18, 2008 9:42 PM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
rwantin
rwantinrwantinRoyal Oak, Michigan USA17 Threads 8,924 Posts
Floridians are a little sensitive about this issue. That, and the Shuffleboard Championships...tongue
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Sep 18, 2008 9:43 PM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
rwantin: Floridians are a little sensitive about this issue. That, and the Shuffleboard Championships...


Hi Robert!
wave wave
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Sep 18, 2008 9:44 PM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
rwantin
rwantinrwantinRoyal Oak, Michigan USA17 Threads 8,924 Posts
WhatUwish4: Hi Robert!


Evening. tip hat
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Sep 18, 2008 10:07 PM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
rwantin: Floridians are a little sensitive about this issue. That, and the Shuffleboard Championships...


Hi RW. We got over it. Well some did...I still get a little angry over the comment that some several 1000s election officials would conspire for
GWB on this.

We collected all of our butterfly voting machines and sent them to Ireland to up grade them from the medival age casting stones they were using.

Great game shuffleboard. Amazing things you can do with a long stick and a flat disc and someone to shuffle on by as you do.
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Sep 18, 2008 10:15 PM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
rwantin
rwantinrwantinRoyal Oak, Michigan USA17 Threads 8,924 Posts
ttom500: Hi RW. We got over it. Well some did...I still get a little angry over the comment that some several 1000s election officials would conspire for
GWB on this.

We collected all of our butterfly voting machines and sent them to Ireland to up grade them from the medival age casting stones they were using.

Great game shuffleboard. Amazing things you can do with a long stick and a flat disc and someone to shuffle on by as you do.


Evening Tom. No malicious offense intended, of course. Actually, I could understand being quite weary of it. tip hat
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Sep 18, 2008 10:37 PM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
rwantin: Evening Tom. No malicious offense intended, of course. Actually, I could understand being quite weary of it.


Obama plans to spend $89m in Florida. He better get to it.....I still have only seen 2 Obama bumber stickers in Central Florida here.
With the kind of buck going for him.......he should have 1/2 of the cars plastered with them.

Maybe it a Bushney conspriracy.......they made the Obama bumber stickers with invisible ink.....place them on the car and they get into the sunlight or wet.....and disappear.laugh
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Sep 19, 2008 3:13 AM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Well......... I was reading some struff last night and if its true then you wont have to be worring too much cos the elections aint gonna be happeneing - ok, it was on a bit of a leftie site but theres speculation that the current economic crisis is going to dramatically worsen and Bush will bring in a 'state of emergency' situation to postpone elections in order to give him a bit more time to get into the fight with Iran (so he can waste even more of the good taxpayers hard earned dosh!)

Dont shoot the messenger, its just what some folks around the world are expecting.......... dunno
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Sep 19, 2008 5:10 AM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
rwantin: Floridians are a little sensitive about this issue. That, and the Shuffleboard Championships...
rolling on the floor laughing
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Sep 19, 2008 5:11 AM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
trish123: Well......... I was reading some struff last night and if its true then you wont have to be worring too much cos the elections aint gonna be happeneing - ok, it was on a bit of a leftie site but theres speculation that the current economic crisis is going to dramatically worsen and Bush will bring in a 'state of emergency' situation to postpone elections in order to give him a bit more time to get into the fight with Iran (so he can waste even more of the good taxpayers hard earned dosh!)

Dont shoot the messenger, its just what some folks around the world are expecting..........



I'm really hoping no one in their right mind believes that... total nonsense. And...I'm being objective. thumbs up
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Sep 19, 2008 5:41 AM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
kissmedeeply
kissmedeeplykissmedeeplyPetitcodiac, New Brunswick Canada70 Threads 15,139 Posts
trish123: I have a vague recollection that in the last elections in America, there was some cafuffle about voting machines - cant remember exactly but some people distrusted them I believe (that may be a bit of an understatement) and some broke or something - have they made improvements to them yet does anybody know? and which types of machines are going to be used this time?


Its the first time i seen it here when i voted last time..

They are kind of neat...

Voting here is Oct 14th..

Yah and i wont be here to voteapplause
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Sep 19, 2008 5:57 AM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
kissmedeeply: Its the first time i seen it here when i voted last time..

They are kind of neat...

Voting here is Oct 14th..

Yah and i wont be here to vote


haha, I bet you're really getting excited now cheering

so will you get to vote in your new place or will it have happened there by that time? wave
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Sep 19, 2008 5:58 AM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
kissmedeeply
kissmedeeplykissmedeeplyPetitcodiac, New Brunswick Canada70 Threads 15,139 Posts
trish123: haha, I bet you're really getting excited now

so will you get to vote in your new place or will it have happened there by that time?


going to North Carolina

dont know when they vote
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Sep 19, 2008 6:30 AM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
I think the difference with this election is America itself. We have all become so energized by the events, first the issues which have reached crisis proportions, then Obama, and then Sarah Palin. The McCain/Palin ticket has really grasped the reform concept and America responded. There is more of a verbal outcry... which gives them the strenght AND the resolve to make it happen. They won't fix all the problems, but they will defininetly get some things done. It's a perfect combination just when we need it most.

JMHO
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Sep 19, 2008 6:52 AM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
agman
agmanagmanEagle, Idaho USA3,145 Posts
WhatUwish4: I think the difference with this election is America itself. We have all become so energized by the events, first the issues which have reached crisis proportions, then Obama, and then Sarah Palin. The McCain/Palin ticket has really grasped the reform concept and America responded. There is more of a verbal outcry... which gives them the strenght AND the resolve to make it happen. They won't fix all the problems, but they will defininetly get some things done. It's a perfect combination just when we need it most.

JMHO


doh
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Sep 19, 2008 6:59 AM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
You don't think so? Did you hear the crowds booing the media when Sarah Palin finally got in their face and challenged them? They HEARD America speaking out... the media heard it too... and now look what has happened. Congress also knows that America is fed up, and now McCain/Palin are the mavericks who are not afraid to take a stand. If there is EVER going to be change in Washington, now it the time...
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Sep 19, 2008 7:03 AM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
Olsojente
OlsojenteOlsojenteOslo/Zadar, Oslo Norway51 Threads 5 Polls 5,070 Posts
Voting in 2008: A close look at voting preparedness in 10 swing states

"As election officials brace for record-breaking voter turnout on Election Day, a close examination of voting preparedness in 10 swing states shows that significant problems in the basic functions of the American election administration system persist, and in a few cases have worsened over the last few years, a new report by Common Cause and The Century Foundation shows.

The report, “Voting in 2008: 10 Swing States,” examined what, if any, progress has been made since 2006 in seven battleground states: Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. In addition, Colorado, New Mexico and Virginia, whose new status as likely swing states, and the potential for election administration difficulties, have also been included.

The areas looked at include: voter registration, voter identification, caging and challenges, deceptive practices, provisional ballots, voting machine allocation, poll worker recruitment and training, voter education and student voting rights.

Results are mixed. Florida, Georgia and Virginia stand out as the states with the most problematic voting administration on a variety of criteria. This is especially worrisome in Virginia given its new status as a key battleground state. Wisconsin gets the most positive review overall for its good poll worker training standards, excellent machine allocation standards, a solid deceptive practices law and clear student voting rights. Ohio, which in 2004 was the poster child for problems such as hours-long lines to vote and voter challenges, is much improved, according to the report, with a policy now to better handle challenges to voters, excellent poll worker training standards and good information provided to voters. New Mexico and Pennsylvania get mixed reviews for still having shortcomings such as no deceptive practices law, but good poll worker training standards. Colorado, Michigan and Missouri fall somewhere in the middle.

“While some states have taken steps to improve their election procedures, several still have a number of structural and statutory weaknesses that put voting rights at risk once again this year,” said Tova Wang, Common Cause’s vice president, a Century Foundation fellow and the report’s author. “In an election that we hope and expect will see unprecedented turnout, we are hopeful that steps can still be taken to make the election process a fair one for all Americans.”

As hundreds of thousands of new voters have been added to the registration rolls just in the last few months, one troubling finding is that problems with voter registration issues in many instances have gone unaddressed, or even worsened in the surveyed states. Many states have flawed procedures for matching the information voters give them when they register with other state databases, and some have no established protocols for doing so at all. Uniquely, Florida will continue to require that prospective voters prove eligibility by providing the exact information that appears on existing state databases. This policy often results in rejections of valid registered voters if the voter provides a variant of his or her name instead of a full name, a clerical error is made on the election administration side, or a voter makes another minor mistake.

Voting machine allocation – which can contribute to long lines at the polls, another common problem of the last two elections – also remains troublesome in many of the states. Most have weak or no allocation laws, allowing each locality to decide how many voting machines are necessary at each polling place. For example, Pennsylvania, where voters waited on long lines in 2006, has no allocation law, nor does Michigan. Wisconsin has the best one of the states reviewed, according to the report."

cont.
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Sep 19, 2008 7:04 AM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
Olsojente
OlsojenteOlsojenteOslo/Zadar, Oslo Norway51 Threads 5 Polls 5,070 Posts
"Voter ID rules and requirements also remain problematic. Despite ever-mounting evidence that fraud committed at the polls by voters is extremely rare, fraud is still routinely used as a justification for passing harsh voter ID laws that result in disenfranchisement, especially among minorities, young people, the elderly and the poor. Georgia and Florida have the worst of them. And even with states without strict ID rules, there is reason to worry that poll workers and voters will misunderstand the rules leading to disenfranchisement.

Another problem in 2006 was state laws made it too easy to challenge a voter on a slim basis. The most famous example of this was the challenge to 35,000 voters’ eligibility to vote in Ohio prior to Election Day. There are already indications that with all the new voters registering, challenges to eligibility will be a major issue again this year. None of the seven states reviewed in this report have changed their laws since 2006 to lessen the chances of this occurring, and of the three new states included, Colorado and New Mexico have acceptable, though not ideal provisions to handle challenges to voters, while Virginia’s is fairly troubling.

But progress has also been made, particularly in Ohio. Though still flawed, the state did improve its law of handling challenges to voters in 2006, and the law that has been clarified in a positive direction by the secretary of state. Secretary Jennifer Brunner has also, through policy directive, done much to address the state’s potential machine allocation issues. Ohio also now has good poll worker training standards, including an online program, does a good job educating voters about polling place information and registration and has a pilot program to automatically update voter registration information."

From Common Cause
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Sep 19, 2008 7:04 AM CST Vote Counting Machines..........
agman
agmanagmanEagle, Idaho USA3,145 Posts
WhatUwish4: You don't think so? Did you hear the crowds booing the media when Sarah Palin finally got in their face and challenged them? They HEARD America speaking out... the media heard it too... and now look what has happened. Congress also knows that America is fed up, and now McCain/Palin are the mavericks who are not afraid to take a stand. If there is EVER going to be change in Washington, now it the time...


McCain is too old to run a country and Palin is too young.
Plus McCain failed to run the country already. wave
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