Vote Counting Machines.......... (57)
trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 PostsI have a vague recollection that in the last elections in America, there was some cafuffle about voting machines - cant remember exactly but some people distrusted them I believe (that may be a bit of an understatement) and some broke or something - have they made improvements to them yet does anybody know? and which types of machines are going to be used this time?
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I think that was associated with the Bush electoral theft of Florida 8 years ago.
Hanging Chads!
Hanging Chads!
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Fallingman: I think that was associated with the Bush electoral theft of Florida 8 years ago.
Hanging Chads!
Hanging Chads!
I just read something about Chads - what are they pray tell ?
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trish123: I just read something about Chads - what are they pray tell ?
I think they are the bits of paper or card left hanging or punched out when the voting machine punches a hole in the voting card.
Americans may be able to help here.
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this is the context I read about them in;
PUNCH CARD SYSTEMS
• Instructions should include directions to check for
hanging chads and to review the ballot.
• Provide voters with information regarding what constitutes
a spoiled ballot and a clear and no-fault system for
replacing a spoiled ballot so the voter can vote on a new
ballot.
• Ensure that routine maintenance has been completed
before Election Day, including making sure the voting
machines are free of chads.
PUNCH CARD SYSTEMS
• Instructions should include directions to check for
hanging chads and to review the ballot.
• Provide voters with information regarding what constitutes
a spoiled ballot and a clear and no-fault system for
replacing a spoiled ballot so the voter can vote on a new
ballot.
• Ensure that routine maintenance has been completed
before Election Day, including making sure the voting
machines are free of chads.
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Fallingman: I think they are the bits of paper or card left hanging or punched out when the voting machine punches a hole in the voting card.
Americans may be able to help here.
Americans may be able to help here.
I think that you're right, but I'm not sure. For as long as I've voted, I've used a computer.
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Fallingman: I think that was associated with the Bush electoral theft of Florida 8 years ago.
Hanging Chads!
Hanging Chads!
Correction: the media story that Bush stole the election. Not a reality.
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Hiya
do you mean a computer at a polling (voting) station?
do you mean a computer at a polling (voting) station?
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druidess6308: Correction: the media story that Bush stole the election. Not a reality.
I knew someone would say this. I didn't think even Republicans pretended about this any more.
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trish123: Hiya
do you mean a computer at a polling (voting) station?
do you mean a computer at a polling (voting) station?
yes I think
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trish123: Hiya
do you mean a computer at a polling (voting) station?
do you mean a computer at a polling (voting) station?
Hi, Trish!
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Fallingman: I knew someone would say this. I didn't think even Republicans pretended about this any more.
Well, you invited it by saying what you did, silly. What pretense? Anyway, you're in Ireland, so all that you can know is what the media says, thereby you're forgiven.
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druidess6308: Well, you invited it by saying what you did, silly. What pretense? Anyway, you're in Ireland, so all that you can know is what the media says, thereby you're forgiven.
and you were at the counts in Florida? and in the Supreme Court in Florida? and in the US Supreme Court?
of course not. you got the information from the same sources. You just choose not to believe it...
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druidess6308: Well, you invited it by saying what you did, silly. What pretense? Anyway, you're in Ireland, so all that you can know is what the media says, thereby you're forgiven.
thank you for forgiving me though!
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druidess6308: Hi, Trish! Yes.
so, is everything sorted out now? is everybody happy about the counting system this time or are some still dubious and is it all computerised now or are there still other types of machines being used in other places
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Fallingman: and you were at the counts in Florida? and in the Supreme Court in Florida? and in the US Supreme Court?
of course not. you got the information from the same sources. You just choose not to believe it...
of course not. you got the information from the same sources. You just choose not to believe it...
Touche.
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trish123: so, is everything sorted out now? is everybody happy about the counting system this time or are some still dubious and is it all computerised now or are there still other types of machines being used in other places
Some places still use the old system, I believe. I don't know why. Many do use computers now. If all would change to that, we would never have that issue again.
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Fallingman: and you were at the counts in Florida? and in the Supreme Court in Florida? and in the US Supreme Court?
of course not. you got the information from the same sources. You just choose not to believe it...
of course not. you got the information from the same sources. You just choose not to believe it...
Fallingman....I am in Florida....have run voting princits as a clerk since the early 90s. This will be my 6th Presidential.
I know you will not believe this. But the GWB election win. Was conducted to the best process and standards we had at the time.
The difference was within a state mandtory recount of less 1/2 percent. The DEM (behind) were offered to recount every county in the state or any ones of choice.
They choose three predominately DEM counties that they thought the difference could have been made up in.
Those three counties were recounted by a inspectors of all three parties REP/DEM/IND....here comes into play the hanging chads.
The computer card were punched by a little pin devices.....sometimes the piece of paper would hang. If so the computer reading them, would not read them. So they did a visual inspection of the ballot with hanging chads.After reviewing the ballots in these three contries....altering the vote by some 216 ....GWB still won the state by 560.
So where does stealing the election come into play? Give me one area that we could have done better or made it more fair?
Likely if you want....come to Florida on your next vacation.....and I will see if I can get you into the counties election offices that were recounted.....you can look at the nearly 200,000 ballots that were recounted.....and find where GWB stole it. They like still have them. Be my guest.
Accross the state, we have used a different method of voting for since then. Paper ballot trail with a scanning decive to read the marks. A very few counties in the country still use the butterfly computer cards of that time.
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trish123: I have a vague recollection that in the last elections in America, there was some cafuffle about voting machines - cant remember exactly but some people distrusted them I believe (that may be a bit of an understatement) and some broke or something - have they made improvements to them yet does anybody know? and which types of machines are going to be used this time?
There's a fairly watchable film about this floating around on DVD,
It's called "Recount". If memory serves it was done by HBO.
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