When attrocities occur in a person's life it is not something to which an ydecent human being can receive any sort of joy from. This situation is infinitely compounded for the victims when the perpetrator hides his or her intentions behind a mask of safety and peace. My father abused me in ways that never should have existed in the mind of any person. I do not blame men or mankind for his actions. Likewise I understand now that he was a product of his environment. We all are to some degree. This constant onslaught of God did this or God allowed that is rather infantile. The blame for any man (or woman's) actions fall directly on their own shoulders, not in any sort of defense they may or may not allude to. Casting blank assumptions to encapsulate any group as resposible for any single person's actions is childish and one of the great failings of the human existence. Preaching in such a form to cast dispersion upon everyone who has any link tenuous or tangible is heresy against the worth of humanity. I have little faith in humanity at times until I see the kindness of a single person shared or given to others. I have yet to see Crotalus even attempt to engender any sort of brotherhood with anyone excepting those who aid and abet his chosen profession of antagonism. Not very endearing at all, rather it is debilitating to everyone he spews forth his endless parade of questionable quotations to and mostly to his own self.
dazzling_dave: Stalin was an atheist. What a poster child for compassion he was.
Stalins religious afffilations are dubious at best Dave and have been posted on another thread... and I would add that there is little difference in the control of politics and the controls of religion... people asserting supremist ideologies are rampant and religion and politics get intertwined.
Your point is a good one though, showing support for Stalin's communist surpemist agenda is no different than the supremist agenda of christianity, Islam, etc ... its all about being better than the other persons god and having the numbers of followers to fight about it.
crotalus_p: Actually Stalin’s atheism is disputable either way it is insignificant as he did not kill in the name of atheism he killed in the name of communism
Of course we all should realize that Stalin killed for Stalin. Blame it on whatever you will he made his own choices, and is responsible for each of them regardless of where he or others choose to place the blame for whatever miserable agenda they might have.
crotalus_p: If he is seeking money for as the sole reason for writing his books it is not at the cost of the truth but at the cost of religion
Seeking money is for one reason and one reason only... seeking money. At the expense of those who are lost and with no serious work ethic involved it is an empty pursuit.
BarrenPneuma: Seeking money is for one reason and one reason only... seeking money. At the expense of those who are lost and with no serious work ethic involved it is an empty pursuit.
Try writing a book and then tell me there is no serious work ethic involved
After a long and tedious day ______ goes to the bar to drink away his mundane existence. He exits the watering hole, staggering about straining to maintain some sort of composure. Riled by his ineffectual attempts to seek a vessel to slam his rage into he rails at life inwardly and arrives at his home. He fumbles the keys into the hole and luches inward. "Why or why God does life have to be so unfair..." his mumbling alerts the family dog who perks his ears up and retreats into the safety under the table avoiding his master as this is a scene that has garnered him unexpected pain in the past. More curses as the man drops his coat on the floor in a damp pool and procedes to climb the stairs. He walks past the first room on the right to see the night light glowing and the face of his precious daughter (or son) lying there in their innocence. He stumbles in and stares at that angelic face. Then he is angered that the child has so much more than he ever could at his laboured expense and for what? He struggles with his emotions and draws near to the bed. At first his touch is filled with awe, then he is reminded of the passion refuted in his loins. He falls to a predatory urge and sullies his own child for his own hatred. Falling to his knees he prays to God for deliverance from his own demons. His child sobs in terror and he wipes her tears from the face he has never seen. Spent, he wanders out assuring his child that he Loves them, and recedes into the darkness, the sounds of his passing dulled by the wreckage he has left behind. After a long and tedious day ______ goes to the bar to drink away his mundane existence. He exits the watering hole, staggering about straining to maintain some sort of composure. Riled by his ineffectual attempts to seek a vessel to slam his rage into he rails at life inwardly and arrives at his home. He fumbles the keys into the hole and luches inward. "Why or why does life have to be so unfair..." his mumbling alerts the family dog who perks his ears up and retreats into the safety under the table avoiding his master as this is a scene that has garnered him unexpected pain in the past. More curses as the man drops his coat on the floor in a damp pool and procedes to climb the stairs. He walks past the first room on the right to see the night light glowing and the face of his precious daughter (or son) lying there in their innocence. He stumbles in and stares at that pristine face. Then he is angered that the child has so much more than he ever could at his laboured expense and for what? He struggles with his emotions and draws near to the bed. At first his touch is filled with awe, then he is reminded of the passion refuted in his loins. He falls to a predatory urge and sullies his own child for his own hatred. His child sobs in terror and he wipes her tears from the face he has never seen. Spent, he wanders out assuring his child that he Loves them, and recedes into the darkness, the sounds of his passing dulled by the wreckage he has left behind.
No difference between the two and the only guilt falls on the man not on God or whatever belief he may or may not have.
mylifewithu: Let me put it this way, In my life the ones that abused me and created the most destruction in my life was not believers in God. I agree that in the world that millions were murdered in the name of religion, that is totally bad. I truely believe it was about Greed and Power whose to say that wasn't the real factor behind it all. Greed and Power, religion was the excuse. So they can sound justified. Manipulators the way I see it . But I do not believe in church, religion or the bible either, men have touched all of those things. I will not stop believing in God tho, I have my beliefs and no one can ever take that away. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.
Well I understand your point of view better now ML ...and I would hope you understand the manipulation of religion and why we ought not to tolerate it. There are very few, if any benign religious groups and this isn't about free speech, its about standing up to something that infiltrates for the sole purpose of control, that eminates abuses most of us would puke over had we or our family been victimized by it.
crotalus_p: Actually Stalin’s atheism is disputable either way it is insignificant as he did not kill in the name of atheism he killed in the name of communism
Share the drugs bro!!
The point is...... He was not Religious.. yet he killed thousands.
so whats next.... you going to try to make him into a closet Catholic???
crotalus_p: Try taking a history lesson it may help your with your ignorance
That's mature! And I suppose unless you are the esteemed teacher of said indoctrination then it will have some merit to disclaim by your vaunted self? Why don't you just tell us to believe in your ascendency and get it over with?
bluetigerwolf: As a crishtian I strongly agree with your agrgument. Moast all christans give the true christians a bad name. In my oppinnion, you ARE NOT a christian if you trodd on others, go to cherch, and scratch off your evil deeeds as if they never happened. or kill just for the heck of it! I beleive what ever we do, we will get it in the very end- our reward of being good or bad. God is fair, loveing, and a just man. he is not going to want those "PLASTIC FAKE" angels in heaven with him, unless they change theere spirit/ways and or ora! I don't diss people because they don't beleive in him, I only prey for them, and hope for the very best for them. People who press the issue on his intire being, or that he does in fact exist are people who are arrogant, and ignorant! beleiveing in god and murdering is a sin! not unless it was to save others, or a self defence. but takings ones life is still wrong. moraly u should be just in everything u do. As for joining, i don't count myself as joining, just being born by some answer and love is all i care for. people need some kind of ashurrance after life, that may be why people beleive in him. people over anilize and try to get answers, unknowing that they can be intierly wrong. Who would beleive in evolution? shurly not I. only reson being, is because u need a plan, then a ruft draft then the product, then the final draft! I somehow think god has done that with animals. he was testing funtions and cherictaristics and all that stuff for the final product---man.
prove it, prove creationsim, even one little sliver of reality will be acceptable for me, the world will aprreciate it I'm sure.
religious gods need a plan, with that I agree and they have one, the Jewish Book of Faery Tales.
bluetigerwolf: As a crishtian I strongly agree with your agrgument. Moast all christans give the true christians a bad name. In my oppinnion, you ARE NOT a christian if you trodd on others, go to cherch, and scratch off your evil deeeds as if they never happened. or kill just for the heck of it! I beleive what ever we do, we will get it in the very end- our reward of being good or bad. God is fair, loveing, and a just man. he is not going to want those "PLASTIC FAKE" angels in heaven with him, unless they change theere spirit/ways and or ora! I don't diss people because they don't beleive in him, I only prey for them, and hope for the very best for them. People who press the issue on his intire being, or that he does in fact exist are people who are arrogant, and ignorant! beleiveing in god and murdering is a sin! not unless it was to save others, or a self defence. but takings ones life is still wrong. moraly u should be just in everything u do. As for joining, i don't count myself as joining, just being born by some answer and love is all i care for. people need some kind of ashurrance after life, that may be why people beleive in him. people over anilize and try to get answers, unknowing that they can be intierly wrong. Who would beleive in evolution? shurly not I. only reson being, is because u need a plan, then a ruft draft then the product, then the final draft! I somehow think god has done that with animals. he was testing funtions and cherictaristics and all that stuff for the final product---man.
Too funny
A newbie from out of the blue... Claiming to be a Christian from Pennsylvania USA,, And cant spell Christian........
crotalus_p: MF when will you understand that the bible is just another book written by men (and a bad one at that written my some not so clever men)
that stands true, I evan had tons of doubts and anguish in that thoght. I evan had gone in sane thinking such. But a word from someone wize once told me, "it is not our falt if we r led astray by the lie-ers. It will be there hell. and all we as good people can do, is to try and follow the bible and do what is morraly right."
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This situation is infinitely compounded for the victims when the perpetrator hides his or her intentions behind a mask of safety and peace.
My father abused me in ways that never should have existed in the mind of any person. I do not blame men or mankind for his actions. Likewise I understand now that he was a product of his environment. We all are to some degree.
This constant onslaught of God did this or God allowed that is rather infantile. The blame for any man (or woman's) actions fall directly on their own shoulders, not in any sort of defense they may or may not allude to.
Casting blank assumptions to encapsulate any group as resposible for any single person's actions is childish and one of the great failings of the human existence. Preaching in such a form to cast dispersion upon everyone who has any link tenuous or tangible is heresy against the worth of humanity. I have little faith in humanity at times until I see the kindness of a single person shared or given to others.
I have yet to see Crotalus even attempt to engender any sort of brotherhood with anyone excepting those who aid and abet his chosen profession of antagonism. Not very endearing at all, rather it is debilitating to everyone he spews forth his endless parade of questionable quotations to and mostly to his own self.