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Nov 15, 2008 3:53 PM CST I Liked the Old Atheists Better
BarrenPneuma
BarrenPneumaBarrenPneumaGolden Staircase, Ontario Canada87 Threads 3 Polls 1,561 Posts
“Philosopher Antony Flew used to be the most prominent atheist in the English-speaking world. In the last decade, however, that has changed. Unlike Flew, who has always been civil and insightful, a new breed of atheists, who are crass and unruly, has supplanted him, notably, Oxford biologist Richard Dawkins. Also, Flew is no longer an atheist. Flew’s new-found belief in God and his assessment of today’s neo-atheism are both described in his delightful new book (co-authored with Roy Varghese), There Is a God: How the World’s Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind.
Throughout his philosophical career (going back to the late 1940s, when he rubbed shoulders with C. S. Lewis), Flew was committed to following evidence wherever it leads. Late in life, he found that advances in science made the evidence for design in the universe so compelling that he could no longer withhold belief in God. Flew’s God — a deistic God — is not quite the Christian God of his teacher Lewis. Then again, given Flew’s inclusion in There Is a God of an essay on the Resurrection by N. T. Wright, God seems hardly finished with Flew’s conversion.
The contrast between Flew and his neo-atheist successors is stark. In his atheist days, Flew took not only his atheism but also the theism of his opponents seriously. He understood and engaged their positions; he always recognized that here was a debate of real intellectual merit worth having. Indeed, Flew’s challenge to theism was so insightful that he helped catalyze a distinctly Christian movement of philosophers. Headed by Alvin Plantinga and William Alston, their impact on philosophy has been immense.
The neo-atheists, unlike the old Flew, characterize religious belief as a “poison” that needs to be “eradicated” and those who subscribe to it as “mentally deranged.” Instead of engaging the arguments of theists and admitting difficulties in their own position (for instance, atheism requires a materialistic origin of life, yet all indicators suggest that the information-rich structures of life require a designing intelligence), they issue blanket dismissals of religion. Flew was a rich and varied atheist. The neo-atheists, by contrast, are militant and amateurish.
And vile. In his November 4, 2007 article for the New York Times (“The Turning of an Atheist”), Mark Oppenheimer attributes Flew’s conversion to a combination of senility on Flew’s part and manipulation by Christian evangelicals. This is despicable. I was on the committee to award Flew the Phillip Johnson Award for Liberty and Truth (which he received at Biola University in the spring of 2006). I made the telephone call to Flew on behalf of Biola asking him to agree to accept the award. When I spoke to him, it was clear to me that he was in full possession of his faculties and that he knew full well the cost he was paying for breaking ranks with his atheist colleagues.
Flew as an atheist and now as a theist has always exemplified integrity. I learned this not merely from his writings but also first-hand: when Baylor University, under pressure from Darwinian materialists (like Dawkins), shut down a centre for intelligent design research that I directed (the Michael Polanyi Centre), Flew protested to the Baylor administration defending my academic freedom and the centre’s work — work that opposed atheism. That was back in 2001 while Flew was still an atheist.”


And yet there remains hope for all of the lost.
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Nov 15, 2008 4:00 PM CST I Liked the Old Atheists Better
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA79 Threads 13,695 Posts
I won't paint all atheists with the same brush, so to speak, any more than I paint all Christians with the same brush, but I have seen threads and posts on here that fit with the above description of the "neo-atheists"...which is sad. I enjoy intelligent commentary, but hate any that smacks of hatred and intolerance...from any side.
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Nov 15, 2008 4:10 PM CST I Liked the Old Atheists Better
Funny that ill will between the Inhabitants of the same Camp,one Side practices Religious Mysticism,the other Secular Mysticism.
The only thing the Practitioners of Secular Mysticism have done is substituted God with Society.
Easy to switch between the two!rolling on the floor laughing
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Nov 15, 2008 4:23 PM CST I Liked the Old Atheists Better
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
There's enough material on here that I'll have to stay up all night to read it. laugh thumbs up
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