Ambrose2007: That isn't my experience at all. I'd say the vast majority of women do in fact want a decent guy. I have a feeling our disagreement would turn, in part, on what is meant by "decent."
I'm guessing that a lot of these women who are bitter about the past weren't treated decently. Not to say that some or even many of them didn't play a role in that mistreatment.
Tater: they are all gone bud, all you can hope for now adays is a woman that isn't too bitter about there past (the grass wasn't greener with this other guy state of mind) used up left-overs is all most of us will get. There are very very very very very very very very few, women who want a decent "good guy" from the start... sorry truth is truth...
And with this i agree...long gone are those woman, welcome to the 21st centuary nightmare...
Guardrail: If you dont agree with the opinions here and they bother you so much why are you here ? As far as you being convinced by what i say . I wasnt aware that i was trying to convince you of anything. From what i know of i wasnt trying to date you or even put a move on you. If you are so much against what i say or anyone else on this thread you dont have a gun to your head and you are free to leave.
He enjoys baiting people with outrageous statements so that they argue illogically and reactively... as soon as you don´t let his nonsense effect what you say and debate with a thought out, unemotional response... he backs off.
Guardrail: If you dont agree with the opinions here and they bother you so much why are you here ? As far as you being convinced by what i say . I wasnt aware that i was trying to convince you of anything. From what i know of i wasnt trying to date you or even put a move on you. If you are so much against what i say or anyone else on this thread you dont have a gun to your head and you are free to leave.
Oh but i agreed on what you said in your first thread...but then you went and changed your mind...giving in to the pressure of woman I'm not here for a date, as i'm almost certain i won't find what i'm looking for over here...i'm simply trying to bring my viewpoint across thinking outside of the box And no i won't run away when the heat gets too much...rather stay and fight the "battle"
Ambrose2007: I'm guessing that a lot of these women who are bitter about the past weren't treated decently. Not to say that some or even many of them didn't play a role in that mistreatment.
I would agree with you in the present... women have much more opportunities and choices in life.
It wasn´t the case with our parents and grandparents... especially in the middle and low income brackets. Women had very few options and often had to tolerate a miserable marriage in order to have a roof over her head and provide for her children.
X-Rebel is one of those men who can´t handle a woman on an equal level and wishes it would go back to the old days when women didn´t have the option of whether or not to put up with his crap.
X_REBEL: And with this i agree...long gone are those woman, welcome to the 21st centuary nightmare...
How could one have a personal experience which was so vast - considering the legions of women on this planet - where one would be entitled to make such an assertion as any more than pure conjecture? Surely it's obvious that this isn't a scientific truth but a purely personal one?
Complaining about how the great majority of women suffer from bitterness (and being "used-up"?!) strikes me as powerfully ironic, considering the necessary emotional basis from making such an assertion.
jbibiza: He enjoys baiting people with outrageous statements so that they argue illogically and reactively... as soon as you don´t let his nonsense effect what you say and debate with a thought out, unemotional response... he backs off.
well how one reacts to my statements is your choice...it only tells me more about you as a person...either it won't effect my behaviour...yes and i normally back off if you can proof me wrong or if we come to some sort of an agreement...
Tater: they are all gone bud, all you can hope for now adays is a woman that isn't too bitter about there past (the grass wasn't greener with this other guy state of mind) used up left-overs is all most of us will get. There are very very very very very very very very few, women who want a decent "good guy" from the start... sorry truth is truth...
I'm sorry lads but your 'truth is truth'' doesn't make it so.
Are you saying that very few women are capable of learning from their experiences of relationships in a positive manner. Then you are generalising about their intelligence which is very dangerous ground.
I firmly believe that we are the people we are, and our lifes experiences have influenced that. I will bring my lifes experiences into my next relationship and I would fully expect my partner to do the same as I think our relationship would be enhanced by them
jbibiza: I would agree with you in the present... women have much more opportunities and choices in life.
It wasn´t the case with our parents and grandparents... especially in the middle and low income brackets. Women had very few options and often had to tolerate a miserable marriage in order to have a roof over her head and provide for her children.
X-Rebel is one of those men who can´t handle a woman on an equal level and wishes it would go back to the old days when women didn´t have the option of whether or not to put up with his crap.
Right - I was thinking purely of modern relationships...of the cliched truth that "it takes two to have a relationship" (wouldn't apply where more or less equal rights weren't manifest). This isn't to say that one party couldn't be guilty of far more malfeasance than the other...but rather that ultimately we all bear responsibility for how we handle ourselves in a relationship.
Ambrose2007: How could one have a personal experience which was so vast - considering the legions of women on this planet - where one would be entitled to make such an assertion as any more than pure conjecture? Surely it's obvious that this isn't a scientific truth but a purely personal one?
Complaining about how the great majority of women suffer from bitterness (and being "used-up"?!) strikes me as powerfully ironic, considering the necessary emotional basis from making such an assertion.
I'll refrase: Long gone are those woman(in general) in the western block countries, which is a nightmare for the men living over there...satisfied? Do i have to explain every little sentence i write over here? Please read the statement/s in the context of the "whole" thread...
vinny1967: I'm sorry lads but your 'truth is truth'' doesn't make it so.
Are you saying that very few women are capable of learning from their experiences of relationships in a positive manner. Then you are generalising about their intelligence which is very dangerous ground.
I firmly believe that we are the people we are, and our lifes experiences have influenced that. I will bring my lifes experiences into my next relationship and I would fully expect my partner to do the same as I think our relationship would be enhanced by them
I would not like to live in your world.
I agree what we have been thru good or bad has made us all who we are now. Life is a learning experince from the cradle to the grave. Everything we learn and go thru or challenge us makes us who we are.
X_REBEL: Like i said numerous times...over certain topics i feel very strongly...and if spaeking my mind offends anyone...well too bad. I get a kick out of a healthy debate, as it stimulates my objective/analytical/logic kind of mindset...
"I feel strongly" suggests an argument based on emotion and subjective experience rather than intellect.emotion and while emotion and logic can work together I doubt this is the case. I do not see your reasoning or opinions as logical whatsoever. I see them as biased, prejudice and like an infection that rots a person's being but that's cool from one used up old broad here lol.
You still have not provided "evidence" to back up the so called study saying that women are bigger players than men and to lump a whole group of people together and then proceed to put them down doesn't suggest coming at something from a rational reasonable approach.
X_REBEL: I'll refrase: Long gone are those woman(in general) in the western block countries, which is a nightmare for the men living over there...[/col or]satisfied? Do i have to explain every little sentence i write over here? Please read the statement/s in the context of the "whole" thread...
Translation... I can´t deal with a woman who has rights, intelligence and strength and won´t do what she´s told... it makes my life a nightmare which I then project on to all men and women generally.
X_REBEL: I'll refrase: Long gone are those woman(in general) in the western block countries, which is a nightmare for the men living over there...satisfied? Do i have to explain every little sentence i write over here? Please read the statement/s in the context of the "whole" thread...
You are the one who says you are analytical. Those who are analytical tend to break things down and examine the specifics. So if as you say you come from a logical analytical mindframe then you should have no problem backing up what you say. Just a thought
X_REBEL: I'll refrase: Long gone are those woman(in general) in the western block countries, which is a nightmare for the men living over there...[/col or]satisfied? Do i have to explain every little sentence i write over here? Please read the statement/s in the context of the "whole" thread...
Translation... I can´t deal with a woman who has rights, intelligence and strength and won´t do what she´s told... it makes my life a nightmare which I then project on to all men and women generally.
vinny1967: I'm sorry lads but your 'truth is truth'' doesn't make it so.
Are you saying that very few women are capable of learning from their experiences of relationships in a positive manner. Then you are generalising about their intelligence which is very dangerous ground.
I firmly believe that we are the people we are, and our lifes experiences have influenced that. I will bring my lifes experiences into my next relationship and I would fully expect my partner to do the same as I think our relationship would be enhanced by them
I would not like to live in your world.
No I am saying women do learn from there past mistakes, and want a decent guy, but it is after they burnt many many bridges with "good guys" for what they thought at the time would be a better guy then the last guy scenerio, then they think all guys are d*ck and many become man haters, because they thought with their feeling at the time instead of their brain, now the same can be said for some guys, but the average women has a 1000 times more opportunities than an average man will have in their life time.
example women (out of curiousity) want to date a variety of different types of people,, such as a fireman, a cop, a construction worker, a rich man, etc. and even if the very first guy treats them great, they will always be curious of wanting the others, and they will break up with the great guy for the unknown, just for the wanting of even more greatness maybe with a different guy...
Women are never satisfied with ANYTHING for very long, they always want change.. Until they have been screwed over enough to realize, what is actually important in a person.. IMO Most women don't really even know what they want until they are in their 40's...
Guardrail: I agree what we have been thru good or bad has made us all who we are now. Life is a learning experince from the cradle to the grave. Everything we learn and go thru or challenge us makes us who we are.
Thank you Guardrail,
I think I'm a better person than I was, thru lifes experiences. I think most people are.
Dawn7z: "I feel strongly" suggests an argument based on emotion and subjective experience rather than intellect.emotion and while emotion and logic can work together I doubt this is the case. I do not see your reasoning or opinions as logical whatsoever. I see them as biased, prejudice and like an infection that rots a person's being but that's cool from one used up old broad here lol.
You still have not provided "evidence" to back up the so called study saying that women are bigger players than men and to lump a whole group of people together and then proceed to put them down doesn't suggest coming at something from a rational reasonable approach.
Need glasses? Perhaps you didn't read my comment correctly? Before i even enter a debate on a given topic...i use my objectiveness combined with logics/analytics to come to my point of view. lot of things have been formulated long before a certain thread topic. I don't throw emotions into these threads as then one is subjective to ones feelings. I am NOT closed to a different point of view from someone, as this is not "objective behaviour". No one has simply convinced me otherwise...
And you still haven't gone to bed... I don't have time to explain what you ask for now as i do have a life and am meeting this gorgeous woman over lunch today But if you use logics combined with analytical thinking...well you will come to a logical conclusion. Maybe i'll explain this concept later...
Tater: No I am saying women do learn from there past mistakes, and want a decent guy, but it is after they burnt many many bridges with "good guys" for what they thought at the time would be a better guy then the last guy scenerio, then they think all guys are d*ck and many become man haters, because they thought with their feeling at the time instead of their brain, now the same can be said for some guys, but the average women has a 1000 times more opportunities than an average man will have in their life time.example women (out of curiousity) want to date a variety of different types of people,, such as a fireman, a cop, a construction worker, a rich man, etc. and even if the very first guy treats them great, they will always be curious of wanting the others, and they will break up with the great guy for the unknown, just for the wanting of even more greatness maybe with a different guy...
Women are never satisfied with ANYTHING for very long, they always want change.. Until they have been screwed over enough to realize, what is actually important in a person.. IMO Most women don't really even know what they want until they are in their 40's...
I have to disagree with you and can give you a very personal example. My daughter is a stunningly beautiful girl with a charming and loving personality... (ok I´m her mom, but anytime I show her picture the guys jaws drop and I´ve never met anyone who didn´t like her)
Guys started asking her out when she was 15 but she never dated... she said that she wasn´t interested in a relationship and so only went out on group dates... until she met her present fiance. She was 17 when they met, they´ve been together for 9 years and are getting married in Feb. She waited for the right one, and has been with him ever since.
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I'm guessing that a lot of these women who are bitter about the past weren't treated decently. Not to say that some or even many of them didn't play a role in that mistreatment.