A subject that I have always thought was incorrectly termed (79)
Sommerauer71: Heart do not break, in my opinion.
When we hurt, it is not the heart that hurts, it is all of us.
So, my thought today, my Saturday morning rambling, is that the heart is not breakable.
Only when it is not healthy.
When a person you love is away from you and you miss them, what is the feeling that you feel?
A gut feeling, a feeling of tension, that comes in our mind, a knot in the stomach.
Hearts are attached to love, not sure why, it is a muscle that pumps blood, accepts blood, an unattractive mass of muscle that no person aside from Hannibal Lecter would enjoy viewing.
So, I do not beleive in broken hearts, when I feel hurt it comes from the stomach, my whole body, from deep inside me.
So many cliches are attached to the heart, if our heart was to break, we would have heart attacks.
What do you think folks?
When we hurt, it is not the heart that hurts, it is all of us.
So, my thought today, my Saturday morning rambling, is that the heart is not breakable.
Only when it is not healthy.
When a person you love is away from you and you miss them, what is the feeling that you feel?
A gut feeling, a feeling of tension, that comes in our mind, a knot in the stomach.
Hearts are attached to love, not sure why, it is a muscle that pumps blood, accepts blood, an unattractive mass of muscle that no person aside from Hannibal Lecter would enjoy viewing.
So, I do not beleive in broken hearts, when I feel hurt it comes from the stomach, my whole body, from deep inside me.
So many cliches are attached to the heart, if our heart was to break, we would have heart attacks.
What do you think folks?
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Just goes to show how many really have f***ed up thinking..
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When a "loved one" leaves us & we say our heart is broken, what we are really stating is how selfish WE are.
It is us we are thinking about. The feeling of losing something we thought we had, something WE want.
We could care less about the other person! Just read post after post where one states they hope the "other" is miserable for the wrongs they have done.
Guess there is truth in the old saying "misery loves company"..
BooHoo.........
It is us we are thinking about. The feeling of losing something we thought we had, something WE want.
We could care less about the other person! Just read post after post where one states they hope the "other" is miserable for the wrongs they have done.
Guess there is truth in the old saying "misery loves company"..
BooHoo.........
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rizlared: Love is such a deep deep emotion, it stems from your very being your soul, when the love is taken away your soul screams out in agony at its loss, as it's an intangiable thing, you can't comfort a crying soul, can't hug a soul and say all will be ok.
That emotional stress has to get release, it does so by gripping your stomach, by making your heart beat faster and puts stress into the whole body.
Remember Sommer, when you were at the airport, and saw him for the first time? What was your heart doing at that moment, it was beating so fast you had to catch your breath,maybe it also does the same when that emotion has been destroyed.
A broken heart is a euphemism for a broken soul.
That emotional stress has to get release, it does so by gripping your stomach, by making your heart beat faster and puts stress into the whole body.
Remember Sommer, when you were at the airport, and saw him for the first time? What was your heart doing at that moment, it was beating so fast you had to catch your breath,maybe it also does the same when that emotion has been destroyed.
A broken heart is a euphemism for a broken soul.
Riz, my thoughts exactly! I was just gonna post that the pain stems from your soul, your entire being. Decided to read the whole thread before posting, and voila! You had conveyed my thoughts so eloquently.
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f a relationship ends, it is usually because one is suffering in some manner.
If we come from the spirit, instead of the ego, we would be happy the other is no longer suffering by leaving the relationship..
If we come from the spirit, instead of the ego, we would be happy the other is no longer suffering by leaving the relationship..
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But this would require we take a deep inner look at ourselves and our selfish ways..
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HJFinAZ: When a "loved one" leaves us & we say our heart is broken, what we are really stating is how selfish WE are.
It is us we are thinking about. The feeling of losing something we thought we had, something WE want.
We could care less about the other person! Just read post after post where one states they hope the "other" is miserable for the wrongs they have done.
Guess there is truth in the old saying "misery loves company"..
BooHoo.........
It is us we are thinking about. The feeling of losing something we thought we had, something WE want.
We could care less about the other person! Just read post after post where one states they hope the "other" is miserable for the wrongs they have done.
Guess there is truth in the old saying "misery loves company"..
BooHoo.........
Does misery love in fact, love company? Or does misery make company equally miserable?
Psychologists have long pondered whether people gravitate toward others with the same traits. The increasing rise of social platforms is setting the standard as an avenue to network online. This gives us the means to have a more personalized experience.
Innovative technological tools have allowed us to create and further build on the way we communication with others online. The online world is becoming more and more a mirrored image of face-to-face relationships. People are feeling more comfortable opening up and sharing their thoughts, feelings and concerns. Those with mental illness' as mentioned above, are always looking to seek out the advice of those who can relate.
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HJFinAZ: When a "loved one" leaves us & we say our heart is broken, what we are really stating is how selfish WE are.
It is us we are thinking about. The feeling of losing something we thought we had, something WE want.
We could care less about the other person! Just read post after post where one states they hope the "other" is miserable for the wrongs they have done.
Guess there is truth in the old saying "misery loves company"..
BooHoo.........
It is us we are thinking about. The feeling of losing something we thought we had, something WE want.
We could care less about the other person! Just read post after post where one states they hope the "other" is miserable for the wrongs they have done.
Guess there is truth in the old saying "misery loves company"..
BooHoo.........
Pat, I keep forgetting how wise you are!
Thanks for the reminder!
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The perception of separation causes pain.
Where do we find 'separation'
Look around.
Where do we find 'separation'
Look around.
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Steveno: Does misery love in fact, love company? Or does misery make company equally miserable?
Psychologists have long pondered whether people gravitate toward others with the same traits. The increasing rise of social platforms is setting the standard as an avenue to network online. This gives us the means to have a more personalized experience.
Innovative technological tools have allowed us to create and further build on the way we communication with others online. The online world is becoming more and more a mirrored image of face-to-face relationships. People are feeling more comfortable opening up and sharing their thoughts, feelings and concerns. Those with mental illness' as mentioned above, are always looking to seek out the advice of those who can relate.
Psychologists have long pondered whether people gravitate toward others with the same traits. The increasing rise of social platforms is setting the standard as an avenue to network online. This gives us the means to have a more personalized experience.
Innovative technological tools have allowed us to create and further build on the way we communication with others online. The online world is becoming more and more a mirrored image of face-to-face relationships. People are feeling more comfortable opening up and sharing their thoughts, feelings and concerns. Those with mental illness' as mentioned above, are always looking to seek out the advice of those who can relate.
Or, do people open up online because they feel safe? The chances of meeting others is a rarity. "Opening up", online does not enable us to be confronted one on one, nothing here keeps us captive for any length of time. One cannot detect our body language, cannot tell if we are being truthful of simply posting meaningless words.
Some may desire sympathy, they get none in the real world because another will insist they take responsibility for their actions and their lives. Online, they get the nice little
and someone says "poor baby".."TO ME", this is little more that cheap entertainment. Rarely do I take anything said here seriously, and I never take it personally. Rarely do I post in a serious manner, this time I do.
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Xtabentun: Pat, I keep forgetting how wise you are!
Thanks for the reminder!
Thanks for the reminder!
I am old & senile..........
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HJFinAZ: When a "loved one" leaves us & we say our heart is broken, what we are really stating is how selfish WE are.
It is us we are thinking about. The feeling of losing something we thought we had, something WE want.
We could care less about the other person! Just read post after post where one states they hope the "other" is miserable for the wrongs they have done.
Guess there is truth in the old saying "misery loves company"..
BooHoo.........
It is us we are thinking about. The feeling of losing something we thought we had, something WE want.
We could care less about the other person! Just read post after post where one states they hope the "other" is miserable for the wrongs they have done.
Guess there is truth in the old saying "misery loves company"..
BooHoo.........
I can't agree with that sentiment, I wish no ill to any of my ex's, in fact I am best friends with them.
When a loving relationship dissolves, there is a grieving, similar to that of loosing someone to death, love is not like jealousy, which can be controlled, love is an uncontrollable emotion, we don't choose who or why we fall in love, it just happens, sometimes that love is returned, which creates more uncontrollable emotion.
It is no more selfish to feel loss at the lend of a relationship than to feel joy at the beginning.
JMO
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HJFinAZ: Or, do people open up online because they feel safe? The chances of meeting others is a rarity. "Opening up", online does not enable us to be confronted one on one, nothing here keeps us captive for any length of time. One cannot detect our body language, cannot tell if we are being truthful of simply posting meaningless words.
Some may desire sympathy, they get none in the real world because another will insist they take responsibility for their actions and their lives. Online, they get the nice little and someone says "poor baby"..
"TO ME", this is little more that cheap entertainment. Rarely do I take anything said here seriously, and I never take it personally. Rarely do I post in a serious manner, this time I do.
Some may desire sympathy, they get none in the real world because another will insist they take responsibility for their actions and their lives. Online, they get the nice little and someone says "poor baby"..
"TO ME", this is little more that cheap entertainment. Rarely do I take anything said here seriously, and I never take it personally. Rarely do I post in a serious manner, this time I do.
Hello Mr.Pat, I agree with you. Very well said….
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rizlared: I can't agree with that sentiment, I wish no ill to any of my ex's, in fact I am best friends with them.
When a loving relationship dissolves, there is a grieving, similar to that of loosing someone to death, love is not like jealousy, which can be controlled, love is an uncontrollable emotion, we don't choose who or why we fall in love, it just happens, sometimes that love is returned, which creates more uncontrollable emotion.
It is no more selfish to feel loss at the lend of a relationship than to feel joy at the beginning.
JMO
When a loving relationship dissolves, there is a grieving, similar to that of loosing someone to death, love is not like jealousy, which can be controlled, love is an uncontrollable emotion, we don't choose who or why we fall in love, it just happens, sometimes that love is returned, which creates more uncontrollable emotion.
It is no more selfish to feel loss at the lend of a relationship than to feel joy at the beginning.
JMO
JMO accepted..
It is a fact that most of us only love ourselves, it is human nature to be selfish. It is beat into us on a daily basis, by advertising of products others want us to by.
Valentines Day is rapidly approaching, florists and greeting card companies spend millions to give us the selfish message to spend big bucks on "loved" ones. If we do not, said "loved ones" have feelings of rejection.
When a loved one is lost, why are we sad/angry? When my father passed away, I learned a real lesson of my own selfish ways..
JMO..........
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Ah, Ms. Sommer, I must disagree with you on many points. I do feel the heart can break.
First of all let me tell you I have written this 4 times. Each time I would write I'd realize that I cannot fully explain it. I have found (once) that type of dedication to someone that my heart was indeed full. With a heart so full with the love shared with someone, it tends to spill out and touch others. It becomes somewhat infectious. Maybe it's a bit like paying it forward (with love) when your heart it so full. That love is consuming to a degree but also anonymous enough that one isn't overwhelmed or encumbered by it. It's like some of those things that just can't be explained in a scientific or sterile manner. It just is.
So, when one loses that type of love, one suffers from heartbreak. It is real, it is palpable it is so painfully all consuming that you wonder why everyone you look at isn't instantly afflicted. That 'infectious' nature of the love you felt isn't there any longer. Then you realize-they weren't afflicted by that love, only you.
But as time goes on, the physical pain from the heartbreak begins to heal (or so one hopes). In turn the psyche begins to repair itself after it had been so ravaged by the memory of what once was. The soul is found once again and you realize that all these were connected by the heart. That central organ that gives life to the soul, life to the body and life to love. All these things are connected because of the life blood (literally and figuratively) provided by the heart. That's when you realize that you have the capacity to open your heart once again in that same manner. Oh, there is a big scar there from the break. But that scar is now a reminder to celebrate life and love everyday and not take for granted the time you can share that with the object of your affection. That is, if you are lucky enough to encounter it once again.
So dear Sommer, I think it is the perfect term to use.
First of all let me tell you I have written this 4 times. Each time I would write I'd realize that I cannot fully explain it. I have found (once) that type of dedication to someone that my heart was indeed full. With a heart so full with the love shared with someone, it tends to spill out and touch others. It becomes somewhat infectious. Maybe it's a bit like paying it forward (with love) when your heart it so full. That love is consuming to a degree but also anonymous enough that one isn't overwhelmed or encumbered by it. It's like some of those things that just can't be explained in a scientific or sterile manner. It just is.
So, when one loses that type of love, one suffers from heartbreak. It is real, it is palpable it is so painfully all consuming that you wonder why everyone you look at isn't instantly afflicted. That 'infectious' nature of the love you felt isn't there any longer. Then you realize-they weren't afflicted by that love, only you.
But as time goes on, the physical pain from the heartbreak begins to heal (or so one hopes). In turn the psyche begins to repair itself after it had been so ravaged by the memory of what once was. The soul is found once again and you realize that all these were connected by the heart. That central organ that gives life to the soul, life to the body and life to love. All these things are connected because of the life blood (literally and figuratively) provided by the heart. That's when you realize that you have the capacity to open your heart once again in that same manner. Oh, there is a big scar there from the break. But that scar is now a reminder to celebrate life and love everyday and not take for granted the time you can share that with the object of your affection. That is, if you are lucky enough to encounter it once again.
So dear Sommer, I think it is the perfect term to use.
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nurcnurc:
So beautifully said. So well understood.
So beautifully said. So well understood.
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I posted my initial reply after having read only the OP. Now, I've read more. Trish123, you described it so well from your experience I feel my offering was unnecessary. But it felt good to "say" it anyway.
Thank you for sharing your story. A great reminder of how that pain from heartbreak feels.
Thank you for sharing your story. A great reminder of how that pain from heartbreak feels.
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acizur: If you actually want to be technical, it's all irrational.
explain
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Ah, that slams my theory into the water.
However, yes I can see your points.
I was not aware there was a scientific explaination.
Of course, when we are in pain, then all of us hurts, but I struggle with the term, broken heart.
Stress from when we are in pain, can bring on heart problems, yes I agree, but when a relationship ends, a broken heart is attached to the pain.
This I have a problem with.
Look at a child, who suffers the loss of a parent.
We do not attach a 'broken heart' to their pain, our emotions are delivered to that child in a different manner, we fear that they will suffer, we fear that they will not be able to cope.
Children's hearts breaking are not broken, we do not say that a child breaks his/her heart.
But we do an adult. Hearts are attached to love, from movies, from the media, it is a cliche.
I can see the medical area around this, the heart is an important organ, but pain does not come from the heart, pain can make the heart weaker.
My only explaination for this.
Who is going through pain.
This is driving me insane.
To put it very simply:
In this world/mind of duality there are two choices we make.
There is the:
Ego whose foundation is totally made of fear.
There is the
Spirit which is simply Love.
Here is this world which is comprised of all the material, also
includes the body. The mind is the choice maker.
The body is influenced greatly by the Ego. So much so that
when you feel pain it is the ego that is in charge at that
very moment or moments.
When we choose pain or experience it we have chosen Ego to take
charge. The ego has no reality but we believe it does because we
made it. (not the higher intelligence)
We have forgotten about Spirit. We have that choice, too, but we mostly
ignore it. That is where Love is. That is where lack of pain is.
I AM (the me and who I am)
That seems to be the question you are asking about, is, with the Spirit.
When we forget the Spirit and totally ignore it - we experience pain.
Fear = Ego = pain.
All our cells in our body work together for the greatest good. There is a
complete cellular intelligence that coordinates together to work in harmony.
Every organ has intelligence. When our bodies break down, the Ego has
been chosen. (We forgot to choose Spirit).