Knowing what the Society was back then,it definitely had to be Jesus ben Joseph,Son of Joseph! Definitely couldn't let on if he were born out of Wedlock! Was kind of frowned on back then!
He´s father could also,be completely unknown to us...As Pilate,"condemned" him to crucifixion,(which he probably never did),-he asked the crowd who to release,(which wasn´t custom),-Jesus or Jesus Bar-Abbas...
Bar-Abbas,-the Fathers son,-who was he son to?
And Bar-Abbas was guilty of "uprising",-but what "uprising"?
At this particular time,there was no known uprising in or about Jerusalem,-the only "disturbing" element was our Jesus....,a troublemaker according to the Romans and Sanhedrin,-therefore he eventually got crucified(?)...
In old Jewish tradition,not only the fathers name,but also birthplace played a great role,when giving names to sons...Gospels tells us,he was FROM Betlehem,-not BORN there.....So where was he from,-my answer would be,-he was an Egyptian....
AtwoZ: In old Jewish tradition,not only the fathers name,but also birthplace played a great role,when giving names to sons...Gospels tells us,he was FROM Betlehem,-not BORN there.....So where was he from,-my answer would be,-he was an Egyptian....
I never heard that about Jesus, but Moses, but the Egyptians had rules or customs for the surname?
Conrad73: Knowing what the Society was back then,it definitely had to be Jesus ben Joseph,Son of Joseph! Definitely couldn't let on if he were born out of Wedlock! Was kind of frowned on back then!
I saw "Ben Yosef" wrote in spanish pronunciation, I suppose that in other countries can be wrote "Ben Joseph".
ACT 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
ACT 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
ACT 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
j_goose89: Josephus' mention of Jesus is a well known forgery by a scribe of Esubius.
Those who mentioned Nazareth.....
Nazareth was NOT a city in the first century.
If some archeologists think Nazereth wasn't a city in the 1st century... and, The Bible is wrong... it wouldn't be the first time in history "authorities" have found ignorant people to believe them... they said the same thing about Jericho; but, Jericho has been found.
Here's a few links from page 1 of a search on it...
The Walls of Jericho - Answers in Genesis 1 Mar 1999 ... The Bible says that Jericho fell after only seven days. The jars found in the ruins of Jericho were full, showing that the siege was short since the ...
Jericho's wall - Has archaeology confirmed the biblical record of its ... Is the Bible accurate concerning the destruction of the walls of Jericho? ... They found piles of mud bricks at the base of the mound the city was built on. It was not ...
The Walls of Jericho 9 Jun 2008 ... The Bible says that Jericho fell after only seven days. The jars found in the ruins of Jericho were full, showing that the siege was short since the ...
JERICHO:BIBLE ARCHITECTURE,STONE WALL,JOSHUA ... JERICHO: BIBLE ARCHITECTURE: topographic map of City IV at Jericho The Neolithic watch tower (see right) was found to the left of the area marked 'A' ...
Not that long ago astronomers thought they proved The Bible wrong; they put it in the headlines.. Astronomers Prove Bible Wrong! the article went on to say, they had invented a bew telescope, and (according to their claims).... there was only 1,056 stars in the sky.
They pontificated on how wrong The Bible was claiming... The stars can't be counted.
Now we can all laugh at the claims of those "small minded, know it alls," who based their faith on something as ridiculous as a primitive version telescope; and, all the people who believed them.
It's pretty far out there to claim, "Nazareth was NOT a city in the first century."
The name may sound different in English; but, there were people living in the area 9,000 years ago!
Archaeological research revealed a funerary and cult center at Kfar HaHoresh, about two miles (3 km) from current Nazareth, dating back roughly 9000 years (to what is known as the Pre-Pottery Neolithic B era).
SOURCE... ^ Goring-Morris, A.N. "The quick and the dead: the social context of Aceramic Neolithic mortuary practices as seen from Kfar HaHoresh." In: I. Kuijt (ed.), Social Configurations of the Near Eastern Neolithic: Community Identity, Hierarchical Organization, and Ritual (1997).
The remains of some 65 individuals were found, buried under huge horizontal headstone structures, some of which consisted of up to 3 tons of locally-produced white plaster. Decorated human skulls uncovered there have led archaeologists to believe that Kfar HaHoresh was a major cult centre in that remote era.
SOURCE... "Pre-Christian Rituals at Nazareth". Archaeology: A Publication of the Archaeological Institute of America. November/December 2003.
anonymous1: . ACT 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
ACT 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
ACT 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. .
*Serious Post* Well he would not have had one really. His name in hebrew would have been Yesua, and he would have been called son of Yosef in his home town.
But if you extrapolate it to modern times, then you have to remember that in the middle ages people began to take on Sirnames based on their craft, with exceptions such as clan names and so forth. For example, Smith means that your ancestor was a smith. Michael Schumacher's ancestor would have been a shoemaker. Arnold Schwarzenegger'a ancestor would have been a logger (schwarzenegger literally meaning "black woodsman" meaning a woodsman working in the black forest)
So, from that, its easy to speculate that his name in modern times would have been Jesus Carpenter. :)
Suranis: *Serious Post* Well he would not have had one really. His name in hebrew would have been Yesua, and he would have been called son of Yosef in his home town.
But if you extrapolate it to modern times, then you have to remember that in the middle ages people began to take on Sirnames based on their craft, with exceptions such as clan names and so forth. For example, Smith means that your ancestor was a smith. Michael Schumacher's ancestor would have been a shoemaker. Arnold Schwarzenegger'a ancestor would have been a logger (schwarzenegger literally meaning "black woodsman" meaning a woodsman working in the black forest)
So, from that, its easy to speculate that his name in modern times would have been Jesus Carpenter. :)
Jesus is known for dying on the cross, more than his carpentry...
Jesus did not have a carpentry business, with 12 employees.
Jesus had 12 apostles follow him to the death; they called him, Christ.
MAT 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
MAR 8:29 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.
LUK 9:20 He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God.
Jesus' disciples were not called, Carpenters... they were called Christians because... they were continually giving thanks to his name.
HEB 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
ACT 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
ACT 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
1PE 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
Answers in Genesis? Really? Do you know who their go-to guy is for archeology is? Ron Wyatt. the guy was a nurse who "found Noah's Ark on a number of different occasions.
PLEASE use information gathered from actual scientists rather than apologetic web sites.
Research Jewish archives. (They afterall started the story) Nazareth doesn't get mentioned until after the first century.
Let's just say for the sake of argument that Nazareth existed during the New Testament (I didn't even mention Jericho since it has nothing to do with the existence of your savior so why you threw that in is irrelevant)
Does its existence give any credibility to the Jesus story?
Short answer, nope.
Atlanta, Georgia existed during the Civil war. Does that mean Rhett Butler existed?
j_goose89: Let's just say for the sake of argument that Nazareth existed during the New Testament (I didn't even mention Jericho since it has nothing to do with the existence of your savior so why you threw that in is irrelevant)
Does its existence give any credibility to the Jesus story?
Short answer, nope.
Atlanta, Georgia existed during the Civil war. Does that mean Rhett Butler existed?
Science theories of events that supposedly happened millions of years ago. Yeah, I'll believe that. Something they can't believe or foolishly deny, they just create an outrageous theory that can't be proven.
If scientist are so smart, let them create creatures with there own hands that have a free will and can pro-create. Shouldn't be difficult considering we just happened out of some cosmic soup. And if that's fact and they know the answers to how that happened, then prove it!
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
DBguy: Science theories of events that supposedly happened millions of years ago. Yeah, I'll believe that. Something they can't believe or foolishly deny, they just create an outrageous theory that can't be proven.
If scientist are so smart, let them create creatures with there own hands that have a free will and can pro-create. Shouldn't be difficult considering we just happened out of some cosmic soup. And if that's fact and they know the answers to how that happened, then prove it!
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
First, you have to learn what Scientific Theory is before you can criticize it. You don't have that knowledge yet, so your comment goes quite well with what Paul wrote in your scripture passage.
j_goose89: First, you have to learn what Scientific Theory is before you can criticize it. You don't have that knowledge yet, so your comment goes quite well with what Paul wrote in your scripture passage.
You have this knowledge? Where did you get it from? Theory is a notion. What they believe to be that happened. And what of the scientist who believe in God? Do you accept their findings?
Faith, by definition, is believing in something that can't be proven. So, IMO, there is no sense in arguing or getting all puffed up like someone knows it all in these matters. Peace man. Peace on Earth for all!
j_goose89: I love when the God-bots use the Bible as though is has absolute authority.
Look up...
I used three published sources, not just Bible... you haven't given one source, just your opinion, based on your faith; but, nothing you can prove. lol
The Bible isn't the only thing I posted that disagrees with you.
If it's just The Bible you have an issue with... why don't you address what the other sources I used say in them?
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