WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME? (137)

Aug 13, 2011 4:14 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
artliv
artlivartlivCONCEPCION, Bio-Bio Chile1 Posts
JESUS CONMAN
Aug 13, 2011 4:20 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
artliv: JESUS CONMAN

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Aug 13, 2011 4:23 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
AtwoZ
AtwoZAtwoZunknown, Halland Sweden199 Threads 1,699 Posts
As he was the son,according to the Gospels,it´s oughta be Josef...

But according to non-Biblical scripts,such as Flavius Josefus,he´s father could very well have been a Roman soldier,-Panthera,ben-Pander..
Aug 13, 2011 4:26 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
GUZMAN1: Which was his father's name?
Knowing what the Society was back then,it definitely had to be Jesus ben Joseph,Son of Joseph!
Definitely couldn't let on if he were born out of Wedlock!
Was kind of frowned on back then!
Aug 13, 2011 4:42 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
AtwoZ
AtwoZAtwoZunknown, Halland Sweden199 Threads 1,699 Posts
He´s father could also,be completely unknown to us...As Pilate,"condemned" him to crucifixion,(which he probably never did),-he asked the crowd who to release,(which wasn´t custom),-Jesus or Jesus Bar-Abbas...

Bar-Abbas,-the Fathers son,-who was he son to?

And Bar-Abbas was guilty of "uprising",-but what "uprising"?

At this particular time,there was no known uprising in or about Jerusalem,-the only "disturbing" element was our Jesus....,a troublemaker according to the Romans and Sanhedrin,-therefore he eventually got crucified(?)...

Jesus never died on the cross....
Aug 13, 2011 4:57 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
AtwoZ
AtwoZAtwoZunknown, Halland Sweden199 Threads 1,699 Posts
In old Jewish tradition,not only the fathers name,but also birthplace played a great role,when giving names to sons...Gospels tells us,he was FROM Betlehem,-not BORN there.....So where was he from,-my answer would be,-he was an Egyptian....
Aug 13, 2011 7:07 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
AtwoZ: In old Jewish tradition,not only the fathers name,but also birthplace played a great role,when giving names to sons...Gospels tells us,he was FROM Betlehem,-not BORN there.....So where was he from,-my answer would be,-he was an Egyptian....


I never heard that about Jesus, but Moses, but the Egyptians had rules or customs for the surname?
Aug 13, 2011 7:12 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
Conrad73: Knowing what the Society was back then,it definitely had to be Jesus ben Joseph,Son of Joseph!
Definitely couldn't let on if he were born out of Wedlock!
Was kind of frowned on back then!


I saw "Ben Yosef" wrote in spanish pronunciation, I suppose that in other countries can be wrote "Ben Joseph".

The same about Yehuda.
Aug 19, 2011 7:56 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
anonymous1
anonymous1anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts
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ACT 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

ACT 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

ACT 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.



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Sep 24, 2011 11:28 AM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
j_goose89
j_goose89j_goose89Cleveland, Ohio USA63 Posts
AtwoZ: As he was the son,according to the Gospels,it´s oughta be Josef...

But according to non-Biblical scripts,such as Flavius Josefus,he´s father could very well have been a Roman soldier,-Panthera,ben-Pander..


Josephus' mention of Jesus is a well known forgery by a scribe of Esubius.

Those who mentioned Nazareth.....

Nazareth was NOT a city in the first century.
Oct 15, 2011 5:54 AM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
anonymous1
anonymous1anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts
j_goose89: Josephus' mention of Jesus is a well known forgery by a scribe of Esubius.

Those who mentioned Nazareth.....

Nazareth was NOT a city in the first century.







If some archeologists think Nazereth wasn't a city in the 1st century... and, The Bible is wrong... it wouldn't be the first time in history "authorities" have found ignorant people to believe them... they said the same thing about Jericho; but, Jericho has been found.


Here's a few links from page 1 of a search on it...



The Walls of Jericho - Answers in Genesis
1 Mar 1999 ... The Bible says that Jericho fell after only seven days. The jars found in the ruins of Jericho were full, showing that the siege was short since the ...






Jericho's wall - Has archaeology confirmed the biblical record of its ...
Is the Bible accurate concerning the destruction of the walls of Jericho? ... They found piles of mud bricks at the base of the mound the city was built on. It was not ...






The Walls of Jericho
9 Jun 2008 ... The Bible says that Jericho fell after only seven days. The jars found in the ruins of Jericho were full, showing that the siege was short since the ...






JERICHO:BIBLE ARCHITECTURE,STONE WALL,JOSHUA ...
JERICHO: BIBLE ARCHITECTURE: topographic map of City IV at Jericho The Neolithic watch tower (see right) was found to the left of the area marked 'A' ...









Not that long ago astronomers thought they proved The Bible wrong; they put it in the headlines.. Astronomers Prove Bible Wrong! the article went on to say, they had invented a bew telescope, and (according to their claims).... there was only 1,056 stars in the sky.

They pontificated on how wrong The Bible was claiming... The stars can't be counted.


Now we can all laugh at the claims of those "small minded, know it alls," who based their faith on something as ridiculous as a primitive version telescope; and, all the people who believed them.







It's pretty far out there to claim, "Nazareth was NOT a city in the first century."

The name may sound different in English; but, there were people living in the area 9,000 years ago!




Archaeological research revealed a funerary and cult center at Kfar HaHoresh, about two miles (3 km) from current Nazareth, dating back roughly 9000 years (to what is known as the Pre-Pottery Neolithic B era).


SOURCE... ^ Goring-Morris, A.N. "The quick and the dead: the social context of Aceramic Neolithic mortuary practices as seen from Kfar HaHoresh." In: I. Kuijt (ed.), Social Configurations of the Near Eastern Neolithic: Community Identity, Hierarchical Organization, and Ritual (1997).





The remains of some 65 individuals were found, buried under huge horizontal headstone structures, some of which consisted of up to 3 tons of locally-produced white plaster. Decorated human skulls uncovered there have led archaeologists to believe that Kfar HaHoresh was a major cult centre in that remote era.


SOURCE... "Pre-Christian Rituals at Nazareth". Archaeology: A Publication of the Archaeological Institute of America. November/December 2003.




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Oct 15, 2011 5:55 AM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
anonymous1
anonymous1anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts
anonymous1: .
ACT 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

ACT 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

ACT 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
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Amen


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Oct 15, 2011 6:00 AM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
iamback
iambackiambackdortmund, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany12 Threads 45 Posts
JESUS I Want My Money Back
Oct 15, 2011 6:17 AM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
Suranis
SuranisSuranisAskeaton, Limerick Ireland45 Posts
*Serious Post* Well he would not have had one really. His name in hebrew would have been Yesua, and he would have been called son of Yosef in his home town.

But if you extrapolate it to modern times, then you have to remember that in the middle ages people began to take on Sirnames based on their craft, with exceptions such as clan names and so forth. For example, Smith means that your ancestor was a smith. Michael Schumacher's ancestor would have been a shoemaker. Arnold Schwarzenegger'a ancestor would have been a logger (schwarzenegger literally meaning "black woodsman" meaning a woodsman working in the black forest)

So, from that, its easy to speculate that his name in modern times would have been Jesus Carpenter. :)
Oct 15, 2011 6:25 AM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
anonymous1
anonymous1anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts
iamback: JESUS I Want My Money Back





Jesus never took one penny from you.




There isn't any record of Jesus ever touching money; when they asked him about taxes, Jesus had to ask someone to, shew him a penny.

LUK 20:24 Shew me a penny...





As long as you're asking Jesus for something... why not ask for something that has real value?



JOB 28:18 No mention shall be made of coral, or of pearls: for the price of wisdom is above rubies.

:19 The topaz of Ethiopia shall not equal it, neither shall it be valued with pure gold.





PRO 3:14 For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.

:15 She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.






PRO 8:10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.

:11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.






PRO 20:15 There is gold, and a multitude of rubies: but the lips of knowledge are a precious jewel.






PRO 31:10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.

:11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.






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Oct 15, 2011 6:50 AM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
anonymous1
anonymous1anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts
Suranis: *Serious Post* Well he would not have had one really. His name in hebrew would have been Yesua, and he would have been called son of Yosef in his home town.

But if you extrapolate it to modern times, then you have to remember that in the middle ages people began to take on Sirnames based on their craft, with exceptions such as clan names and so forth. For example, Smith means that your ancestor was a smith. Michael Schumacher's ancestor would have been a shoemaker. Arnold Schwarzenegger'a ancestor would have been a logger (schwarzenegger literally meaning "black woodsman" meaning a woodsman working in the black forest)

So, from that, its easy to speculate that his name in modern times would have been Jesus Carpenter. :)








Jesus is known for dying on the cross, more than his carpentry...

Jesus did not have a carpentry business, with 12 employees.





Jesus had 12 apostles follow him to the death; they called him, Christ.



MAT 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.



MAR 8:29 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.




LUK 9:20 He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God.






Jesus' disciples were not called, Carpenters... they were called Christians because... they were continually giving thanks to his name.





HEB 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.



ACT 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.



ACT 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.



1PE 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.






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Oct 15, 2011 11:47 AM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
anonymous1
anonymous1anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts
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MAT 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.



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Oct 15, 2011 2:23 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
j_goose89
j_goose89j_goose89Cleveland, Ohio USA63 Posts
anonymous1: .

MAT 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
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I love when the God-bots use the Bible as though is has absolute authority.
Oct 15, 2011 2:26 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
j_goose89
j_goose89j_goose89Cleveland, Ohio USA63 Posts
Answers in Genesis? Really? Do you know who their go-to guy is for archeology is? Ron Wyatt. the guy was a nurse who "found Noah's Ark on a number of different occasions.

PLEASE use information gathered from actual scientists rather than apologetic web sites.

Research Jewish archives. (They afterall started the story) Nazareth doesn't get mentioned until after the first century.

Read a book.
Oct 15, 2011 2:29 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
j_goose89: I love when the God-bots use the Bible as though is has absolute authority.

It's notconfused
Oct 15, 2011 2:29 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
j_goose89
j_goose89j_goose89Cleveland, Ohio USA63 Posts
Let's just say for the sake of argument that Nazareth existed during the New Testament (I didn't even mention Jericho since it has nothing to do with the existence of your savior so why you threw that in is irrelevant)

Does its existence give any credibility to the Jesus story?

Short answer, nope.

Atlanta, Georgia existed during the Civil war. Does that mean Rhett Butler existed?
Oct 15, 2011 2:30 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
j_goose89
j_goose89j_goose89Cleveland, Ohio USA63 Posts
Only the same authority as the Eddas, the Book of the Dead, etc etc etc
Oct 15, 2011 2:31 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
j_goose89: Let's just say for the sake of argument that Nazareth existed during the New Testament (I didn't even mention Jericho since it has nothing to do with the existence of your savior so why you threw that in is irrelevant)

Does its existence give any credibility to the Jesus story?

Short answer, nope.

Atlanta, Georgia existed during the Civil war. Does that mean Rhett Butler existed?
drinking popcorn bowing
Oct 15, 2011 2:50 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
but but but Nuiiiiiiiiiii, he's an absolute authority ! rolling on the floor laughing
Oct 15, 2011 3:07 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
DBguy
DBguyDBguyDaytona Beach, Florida USA8 Threads 349 Posts
Science confused theories of events that supposedly happened millions of years ago. Yeah, I'll believe that. Something they can't believe or foolishly deny, they just create an outrageous theory that can't be proven.

If scientist are so smart, let them create creatures with there own hands that have a free will and can pro-create. Shouldn't be difficult considering we just happened out of some cosmic soup. And if that's fact and they know the answers to how that happened, then prove it!

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
Oct 15, 2011 3:14 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
j_goose89
j_goose89j_goose89Cleveland, Ohio USA63 Posts
no points to argue, Galrads?
Oct 15, 2011 3:16 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
j_goose89
j_goose89j_goose89Cleveland, Ohio USA63 Posts
DBguy: Science theories of events that supposedly happened millions of years ago. Yeah, I'll believe that. Something they can't believe or foolishly deny, they just create an outrageous theory that can't be proven.

If scientist are so smart, let them create creatures with there own hands that have a free will and can pro-create. Shouldn't be difficult considering we just happened out of some cosmic soup. And if that's fact and they know the answers to how that happened, then prove it!

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.


First, you have to learn what Scientific Theory is before you can criticize it. You don't have that knowledge yet, so your comment goes quite well with what Paul wrote in your scripture passage.
Oct 15, 2011 3:25 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
DBguy
DBguyDBguyDaytona Beach, Florida USA8 Threads 349 Posts
j_goose89: First, you have to learn what Scientific Theory is before you can criticize it. You don't have that knowledge yet, so your comment goes quite well with what Paul wrote in your scripture passage.
You have this knowledge? Where did you get it from? Theory is a notion. What they believe to be that happened. And what of the scientist who believe in God? Do you accept their findings?
Oct 15, 2011 4:44 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
j_goose89: no points to argue, Galrads?

Faith, by definition, is believing in something that can't be proven. So, IMO, there is no sense in arguing or getting all puffed up like someone knows it all in these matters.
Peace man. Peace on Earth for all!
peace peace
Oct 15, 2011 7:23 PM CST WHICH WAS JESUS CHRIST'S SECOND NAME?
anonymous1
anonymous1anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts
j_goose89: I love when the God-bots use the Bible as though is has absolute authority.






Look up...


I used three published sources, not just Bible... you haven't given one source, just your opinion, based on your faith; but, nothing you can prove. lol


The Bible isn't the only thing I posted that disagrees with you.

If it's just The Bible you have an issue with... why don't you address what the other sources I used say in them?




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