Occupy Wall Street VS Tea Party? (192)
Conrad73: a Danish Poll by Dude?
It’s very difficult to say which poll is correct or not Conrad. I saw 1 poll that said 67% of New Yorker’s support the protests while another says 37 % in the heartland of America does.
What is one to believe?
It looks divisive on the issue dependent on where you live in the World and how financially stable you are.
This article seems to be one of the best:
Poll: 43 percent agree with views of "Occupy Wall Street ... - CBS News
johnaustin123: It’s very difficult to say which poll is correct or not Conrad. I saw 1 poll that said 67% of New Yorker’s support the protests while another says 37 % in the heartland of America does.
What is one to believe?
It looks divisive on the issue dependent on where you live in the World and how financially stable you are.
This article seems to be one of the best:
Poll: 43 percent agree with views of "Occupy Wall Street ... - CBS News
Guess it always depends how the questions are asked,and of whom!What is one to believe?
It looks divisive on the issue dependent on where you live in the World and how financially stable you are.
This article seems to be one of the best:
Poll: 43 percent agree with views of "Occupy Wall Street ... - CBS News
Conrad73: Guess it always depends how the questions are asked,and of whom!
I'd agree. Change 1 word and you can get totally different percentages.
I do think a clear majority doesn't care for what's going on w/the protesters, but that's my opinion.
Conrad73: Guess as long as it doesn't cause them any discomfort,they could care less what those Dorks are doing!
Those "Dorks" as you call them are Americans doing what Americans do best, get off the couch and out into the street to fight for our rights. BTW, my son has spent several freezing nights sleeping in a park at an OWS demonstration and he is most certainly not a DORK!
ooby_dooby: Those "Dorks" as you call them are Americans doing what Americans do best, get off the couch and out into the street to fight for our rights. BTW, my son has spent several freezing nights sleeping in a park at an OWS demonstration and he is most certainly not a DORK!
There's a tendency for a parent to stick up for their kid, whether they're a dork or not.
JMO
johnaustin123: It’s very difficult to say which poll is correct or not Conrad. I saw 1 poll that said 67% of New Yorker’s support the protests while another says 37 % in the heartland of America does.
Well hell, 75% of NYC is demcrat, what would one expect?
johnaustin123: I couldn't say it better John.
It's a matter of maturity and growing wiser as we age. Most people turn more Conservative as they grow older because they grow more comfy in lifestyles and don't want to see many changes in their lives; whereas younger people want changes right away - call it self gratification of the moment - typically alcoholic in their thinking and violence.
Tea Party Members are typically older and are beyond that phase of life; hence less likely to commit violence and more diplomatic.
Some never mature.
Neil Young - Old Man (Live 1971) HQ Lyrics
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It's a matter of maturity and growing wiser as we age. Most people turn more Conservative as they grow older because they grow more comfy in lifestyles and don't want to see many changes in their lives; whereas younger people want changes right away - call it self gratification of the moment - typically alcoholic in their thinking and violence.
Tea Party Members are typically older and are beyond that phase of life; hence less likely to commit violence and more diplomatic.
Some never mature.
Neil Young - Old Man (Live 1971) HQ Lyrics
/
I aways thought Neil Young was one weird s.o.b.
ooby_dooby: Those "Dorks" as you call them are Americans doing what Americans do best, get off the couch and out into the street to fight for our rights. BTW, my son has spent several freezing nights sleeping in a park at an OWS demonstration and he is most certainly not a DORK!
very misguided Americans!Meanwhile their Backers are laughing all the way to the Bank!
ooby_dooby: Those "Dorks" as you call them are Americans doing what Americans do best, get off the couch and out into the street to fight for our rights. BTW, my son has spent several freezing nights sleeping in a park at an OWS demonstration and he is most certainly not a DORK!
I have those 'dorks' thirty miles away complaining about how there is no jobs and yesterday, I'm at a place that offers free lodging and meals along with twenty bucks an hour for fourteen hours a day and seven days a week minimum to the tune of seven grand a month for unskilled labor.
That's eight thousand a year for anybody that can work. With that kind of money, those protestors can actually get a job, build a life and invest in America or Canada.
So, how is your non dork son dong wet in the park these days? And, with places like the above hoping a reliable person will walk through their door to fill vacancies, how can they claim there are no jobs?
'Course, there's is work involved which might be part of the problem why they shun these types of places.
Sorry, that's 'eighty thousand a year' not eight.
Frankly I think that would be unfortunate that the 'Commie Threat' has to be brought up anytime some people have complaints that they are being screwed over by their government. 
We have plenty of totalitarian threat as well.
Extremism is harmful to most.
We have plenty of totalitarian threat as well.
Extremism is harmful to most.
I quoted but CS didn't above.
gininitaly: Frankly I think that would be unfortunate that the 'Commie Threat' has to be brought up anytime some people have complaints that they are being screwed over by their government.
We have plenty of totalitarian threat as well.
Extremism is harmful to most.
We have plenty of totalitarian threat as well.
Extremism is harmful to most.
Coming from the lady who signed onto the 'Jews taking over the world' theory posted by Myster.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/opinion/what-the-costumes-reveal.html?_r=1
What the Costumes Reveal
On Friday, the law firm of Steven J. Baum threw a Halloween party. The firm, which is located near Buffalo, is what is commonly referred to as a “foreclosure mill” firm, meaning it represents banks and mortgage servicers as they attempt to foreclose on homeowners and evict them from their homes. Steven J. Baum is, in fact, the largest such firm in New York; it represents virtually all the giant mortgage lenders, including Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America and Wells Fargo.
The party is the firm’s big annual bash. Employees wear Halloween costumes to the office, where they party until around noon, and then return to work, still in costume. I can’t tell you how people dressed for this year’s party, but I can tell you about last year’s.
That’s because a former employee of Steven J. Baum recently sent me snapshots of last year’s party. In an e-mail, she said that she wanted me to see them because they showed an appalling lack of compassion toward the homeowners — invariably poor and down on their luck — that the Baum firm had brought foreclosure proceedings against.
When we spoke later, she added that the snapshots are an accurate representation of the firm’s mind-set. “There is this really cavalier attitude,” she said. “It doesn’t matter that people are going to lose their homes.” Nor does the firm try to help people get mortgage modifications; the pressure, always, is to foreclose. I told her I wanted to post the photos on The Times’s Web site so that readers could see them. She agreed, but asked to remain anonymous because she said she fears retaliation....
These pictures are hardly the first piece of evidence that the Baum firm treats homeowners shabbily — or that it uses dubious legal practices to do so. It is under investigation by the New York attorney general, Eric Schneiderman. It recently agreed to pay $2 million to resolve an investigation by the Department of Justice into whether the firm had “filed misleading pleadings, affidavits, and mortgage assignments in the state and federal courts in New York.” (In the press release announcing the settlement, Baum acknowledged only that “it occasionally made inadvertent errors.”)
MFY Legal Services, which defends homeowners, and Harwood Feffer, a large class-action firm, have filed a class-action suit claiming that Steven J. Baum has consistently failed to file certain papers that are necessary to allow for a state-mandated settlement conference that can lead to a modification. Judge Arthur Schack of the State Supreme Court in Brooklyn once described Baum’s foreclosure filings as “operating in a parallel mortgage universe, unrelated to the real universe.” (My source told me that one Baum employee dressed up as Judge Schack at a previous Halloween party.)
I saw the firm operate up close when I wrote several columns about Lilla Roberts, a 73-year-old homeowner who had spent three years in foreclosure hell. Although she had a steady income and was a good candidate for a modification, the Baum firm treated her mercilessly....
actually OWS started with Adbusters,an anti-Capitalist Magazine in Canada,funded by a Foundation which is funded by George Soros!
Ironic,isn't it?
It's common knowledge that the first call for the demonstration came from the Canadian anarchist magazine called "Adbusters".
Adbusters Media Foundation is a globalist propaganda machine.
For example, it sponsored a "one flag" competition to create a universal flag to be used by people of all the earth to symbolizing global citizenship.
“We will wreck this world,” Kalle Lasn (founder of Adbusters) declares in his book "Culture Jam: How to Reverse America's Suicidal Consumer Binge -- and Why We Must".
Adbusters Media Foundation is, funded by:
Foundation for Deep Ecology $235,000.00 1992 – 2001
Glaser Progress Foundation $201,500.00 2002 – 2003
Weeden Foundation $40,000.00 2001 – 2002
Triangle Community Foundation $5,000.00 2000 – 2000
Robert & Deanna Halper Foundat. $5,000.00 2001 – 2001
New Road Map Foundation $5,000.00 1998 – 1998
Funding Exchange $5,000.00 1999 – 1999
Tides Foundation & Tides Center $334,217.00 1996 – 2003
The Tides Foundation continues to fund Adbusters but thanks to a change in its legal status to that of a "private charity" its finances are now totally secret.
And guess who is the largest funder of the Tides Foundation and Tides Center.
You guessed it...George Soros.
Ironic,isn't it?
It's common knowledge that the first call for the demonstration came from the Canadian anarchist magazine called "Adbusters".
Adbusters Media Foundation is a globalist propaganda machine.
For example, it sponsored a "one flag" competition to create a universal flag to be used by people of all the earth to symbolizing global citizenship.
“We will wreck this world,” Kalle Lasn (founder of Adbusters) declares in his book "Culture Jam: How to Reverse America's Suicidal Consumer Binge -- and Why We Must".
Adbusters Media Foundation is, funded by:
Foundation for Deep Ecology $235,000.00 1992 – 2001
Glaser Progress Foundation $201,500.00 2002 – 2003
Weeden Foundation $40,000.00 2001 – 2002
Triangle Community Foundation $5,000.00 2000 – 2000
Robert & Deanna Halper Foundat. $5,000.00 2001 – 2001
New Road Map Foundation $5,000.00 1998 – 1998
Funding Exchange $5,000.00 1999 – 1999
Tides Foundation & Tides Center $334,217.00 1996 – 2003
The Tides Foundation continues to fund Adbusters but thanks to a change in its legal status to that of a "private charity" its finances are now totally secret.
And guess who is the largest funder of the Tides Foundation and Tides Center.
You guessed it...George Soros.
Skybow: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/opinion/what-the-costumes-reveal.html?_r=1
What the Costumes Reveal
On Friday, the law firm of Steven J. Baum threw a Halloween party. The firm, which is located near Buffalo, is what is commonly referred to as a “foreclosure mill” firm, meaning it represents banks and mortgage servicers as they attempt to foreclose on homeowners and evict them from their homes. Steven J. Baum is, in fact, the largest such firm in New York; it represents virtually all the giant mortgage lenders, including Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America and Wells Fargo.
The party is the firm’s big annual bash. Employees wear Halloween costumes to the office, where they party until around noon, and then return to work, still in costume. I can’t tell you how people dressed for this year’s party, but I can tell you about last year’s.
That’s because a former employee of Steven J. Baum recently sent me snapshots of last year’s party. In an e-mail, she said that she wanted me to see them because they showed an appalling lack of compassion toward the homeowners — invariably poor and down on their luck — that the Baum firm had brought foreclosure proceedings against.
When we spoke later, she added that the snapshots are an accurate representation of the firm’s mind-set. “There is this really cavalier attitude,” she said. “It doesn’t matter that people are going to lose their homes.” Nor does the firm try to help people get mortgage modifications; the pressure, always, is to foreclose. I told her I wanted to post the photos on The Times’s Web site so that readers could see them. She agreed, but asked to remain anonymous because she said she fears retaliation....
These pictures are hardly the first piece of evidence that the Baum firm treats homeowners shabbily — or that it uses dubious legal practices to do so. It is under investigation by the New York attorney general, Eric Schneiderman. It recently agreed to pay $2 million to resolve an investigation by the Department of Justice into whether the firm had “filed misleading pleadings, affidavits, and mortgage assignments in the state and federal courts in New York.” (In the press release announcing the settlement, Baum acknowledged only that “it occasionally made inadvertent errors.”)
MFY Legal Services, which defends homeowners, and Harwood Feffer, a large class-action firm, have filed a class-action suit claiming that Steven J. Baum has consistently failed to file certain papers that are necessary to allow for a state-mandated settlement conference that can lead to a modification. Judge Arthur Schack of the State Supreme Court in Brooklyn once described Baum’s foreclosure filings as “operating in a parallel mortgage universe, unrelated to the real universe.” (My source told me that one Baum employee dressed up as Judge Schack at a previous Halloween party.)
I saw the firm operate up close when I wrote several columns about Lilla Roberts, a 73-year-old homeowner who had spent three years in foreclosure hell. Although she had a steady income and was a good candidate for a modification, the Baum firm treated her mercilessly....
Say,Thank you Mister Barney Frank!What the Costumes Reveal
On Friday, the law firm of Steven J. Baum threw a Halloween party. The firm, which is located near Buffalo, is what is commonly referred to as a “foreclosure mill” firm, meaning it represents banks and mortgage servicers as they attempt to foreclose on homeowners and evict them from their homes. Steven J. Baum is, in fact, the largest such firm in New York; it represents virtually all the giant mortgage lenders, including Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America and Wells Fargo.
The party is the firm’s big annual bash. Employees wear Halloween costumes to the office, where they party until around noon, and then return to work, still in costume. I can’t tell you how people dressed for this year’s party, but I can tell you about last year’s.
That’s because a former employee of Steven J. Baum recently sent me snapshots of last year’s party. In an e-mail, she said that she wanted me to see them because they showed an appalling lack of compassion toward the homeowners — invariably poor and down on their luck — that the Baum firm had brought foreclosure proceedings against.
When we spoke later, she added that the snapshots are an accurate representation of the firm’s mind-set. “There is this really cavalier attitude,” she said. “It doesn’t matter that people are going to lose their homes.” Nor does the firm try to help people get mortgage modifications; the pressure, always, is to foreclose. I told her I wanted to post the photos on The Times’s Web site so that readers could see them. She agreed, but asked to remain anonymous because she said she fears retaliation....
These pictures are hardly the first piece of evidence that the Baum firm treats homeowners shabbily — or that it uses dubious legal practices to do so. It is under investigation by the New York attorney general, Eric Schneiderman. It recently agreed to pay $2 million to resolve an investigation by the Department of Justice into whether the firm had “filed misleading pleadings, affidavits, and mortgage assignments in the state and federal courts in New York.” (In the press release announcing the settlement, Baum acknowledged only that “it occasionally made inadvertent errors.”)
MFY Legal Services, which defends homeowners, and Harwood Feffer, a large class-action firm, have filed a class-action suit claiming that Steven J. Baum has consistently failed to file certain papers that are necessary to allow for a state-mandated settlement conference that can lead to a modification. Judge Arthur Schack of the State Supreme Court in Brooklyn once described Baum’s foreclosure filings as “operating in a parallel mortgage universe, unrelated to the real universe.” (My source told me that one Baum employee dressed up as Judge Schack at a previous Halloween party.)
I saw the firm operate up close when I wrote several columns about Lilla Roberts, a 73-year-old homeowner who had spent three years in foreclosure hell. Although she had a steady income and was a good candidate for a modification, the Baum firm treated her mercilessly....
Conrad73: actually OWS started with Adbusters,an anti-Capitalist Magazine in Canada,funded by a Foundation which is funded by George Soros!
Ironic,isn't it?
It's common knowledge that the first call for the demonstration came from the Canadian anarchist magazine called "Adbusters".
Adbusters Media Foundation is a globalist propaganda machine.
For example, it sponsored a "one flag" competition to create a universal flag to be used by people of all the earth to symbolizing global citizenship.
“We will wreck this world,” Kalle Lasn (founder of Adbusters) declares in his book "Culture Jam: How to Reverse America's Suicidal Consumer Binge -- and Why We Must".
Adbusters Media Foundation is, funded by:
Foundation for Deep Ecology $235,000.00 1992 – 2001
Glaser Progress Foundation $201,500.00 2002 – 2003
Weeden Foundation $40,000.00 2001 – 2002
Triangle Community Foundation $5,000.00 2000 – 2000
Robert & Deanna Halper Foundat. $5,000.00 2001 – 2001
New Road Map Foundation $5,000.00 1998 – 1998
Funding Exchange $5,000.00 1999 – 1999
Tides Foundation & Tides Center $334,217.00 1996 – 2003
The Tides Foundation continues to fund Adbusters but thanks to a change in its legal status to that of a "private charity" its finances are now totally secret.
And guess who is the largest funder of the Tides Foundation and Tides Center.
You guessed it...George Soros.
Ironic,isn't it?
It's common knowledge that the first call for the demonstration came from the Canadian anarchist magazine called "Adbusters".
Adbusters Media Foundation is a globalist propaganda machine.
For example, it sponsored a "one flag" competition to create a universal flag to be used by people of all the earth to symbolizing global citizenship.
“We will wreck this world,” Kalle Lasn (founder of Adbusters) declares in his book "Culture Jam: How to Reverse America's Suicidal Consumer Binge -- and Why We Must".
Adbusters Media Foundation is, funded by:
Foundation for Deep Ecology $235,000.00 1992 – 2001
Glaser Progress Foundation $201,500.00 2002 – 2003
Weeden Foundation $40,000.00 2001 – 2002
Triangle Community Foundation $5,000.00 2000 – 2000
Robert & Deanna Halper Foundat. $5,000.00 2001 – 2001
New Road Map Foundation $5,000.00 1998 – 1998
Funding Exchange $5,000.00 1999 – 1999
Tides Foundation & Tides Center $334,217.00 1996 – 2003
The Tides Foundation continues to fund Adbusters but thanks to a change in its legal status to that of a "private charity" its finances are now totally secret.
And guess who is the largest funder of the Tides Foundation and Tides Center.
You guessed it...George Soros.
deja vu
RayfromUSA: deja vu
all over again,as Yogi Berra once quipped!Lest there be any confusion about the goals of the OWS movement
check out this website.
check out this website.
johnaustin123:
Why do you think this Poll shows that over 50% approve of the protests? Is it because this is an International polling and not limited to US Citizens?
Why do you think this Poll shows that over 50% approve of the protests? Is it because this is an International polling and not limited to US Citizens?
No it's because the poll was deliberately skewed to give a lying result.
Example of that.
I live in Europe but for many years I came back to Texas to visit my family and friends every year. I generally stayed with my brother and his wife. They were very active in the Republican party during the Bush era.
As both my brother and his wife worked at the time, I was at home in their house in the country most days.
Every day, sometimes several times a day, someone would phone as part of a political poll. I asked other people and most people seldom ever get such a call. Clearly my brother and his wife were on some sort of list of people to call so that poll results would support the Bush regime. They rig the polls by selectively calling people whose opinions they can rely on.
RayfromUSA: Lest there be any confusion about the goals of the OWS movement
check out this website.
check out this website.
Very interesting link Ray...
Skybow: Very interesting link Ray...
Left this running while I surfed the web a bit and the occupiers are being urged to get out and vote. There are enough people in OWS to make a real difference in how the voting goes this next election.
I think it is a real mistake to not pay attention to this gathering of the masses. To act like they don't matter and aren't real (which some of them are not) is the utmost foolishness. See a vote is the real voice and the dialog is driving even this forum more than any other. It is a force to be reckoned with, degrade it and you will not be prepared for the results...
Skybow: Left this running while I surfed the web a bit and the occupiers are being urged to get out and vote. There are enough people in OWS to make a real difference in how the voting goes this next election.
I think it is a real mistake to not pay attention to this gathering of the masses. To act like they don't matter and aren't real (which some of them are not) is the utmost foolishness. See a vote is the real voice and the dialog is driving even this forum more than any other. It is a force to be reckoned with, degrade it and you will not be prepared for the results...
I think it is a real mistake to not pay attention to this gathering of the masses. To act like they don't matter and aren't real (which some of them are not) is the utmost foolishness. See a vote is the real voice and the dialog is driving even this forum more than any other. It is a force to be reckoned with, degrade it and you will not be prepared for the results...
Which is what Soros wants...stir up the democrat vote.
Yes I would believe it...Shake up the party system with all those who did not vote and ya better watch out.
That is why I think it foolish to discount this movement.
That is why I think it foolish to discount this movement.
I'd say, at best, it might get Obama's voters out. The one's who are disenchantened w/him might get a resurgence. He got all the votes he'll ever get the 1st time. (at most)
I've got him projected to carry 6 states at best.
I've got him projected to carry 6 states at best.
never been a "Grassroots Movement,not even at the start!
Seedmoney came from Soros-Organizations,and he has his fingers in Movements of every political Shade!
Seedmoney came from Soros-Organizations,and he has his fingers in Movements of every political Shade!
Conrad73: never been a "Grassroots Movement,not even at the start!
Seedmoney came from Soros-Organizations,and he has his fingers in Movements of every political Shade!
Seedmoney came from Soros-Organizations,and he has his fingers in Movements of every political Shade!
Most of our politicians from the top to the bottom also have "seed money" as you call it, this movement is also being supported by everyday Americans with donations of clothes, food, medical supplies, money, generators.
I never hear much anger about the $$$ lining and buying the legislation from both sides of the aisle in Washington, only if it is the Democratic side or heaven forbid the OWS.
Skybow: Most of our politicians from the top to the bottom also have "seed money" as you call it, this movement is also being supported by everyday Americans with donations of clothes, food, medical supplies, money, generators.
I never hear much anger about the $$$ lining and buying the legislation from both sides of the aisle in Washington, only if it is the Democratic side or heaven forbid the OWS.
I never hear much anger about the $$$ lining and buying the legislation from both sides of the aisle in Washington, only if it is the Democratic side or heaven forbid the OWS.
Here is how the tea party is funded and how politics is bought in the USA
lilibelle: Here is how the tea party is funded and how politics is bought in the USA
Now there's a source I'd bank on.
When not source the DNC monthly newsletter? However, given the source, what portion do you have a problem with?
The Koch brothers fueled the conservative Tea Party movement that vigorously opposes Barack Obama, the US president. They fund efforts to derail action on global warming, and support politicians who object to raising taxes on corporations or the wealthy to help fix America’s fiscal problems. According to New Yorker writer Jane Mayer, who wrote a groundbreaking exposé of the Kochs in 2010, they have built a top to bottom operation to shape public policy that has been "incredibly effective. They are so rich that their pockets are almost bottomless, and they can keep pouring money into this whole process".
Koch industries, the second largest privately-held company in the US, is an oil refining, chemical, paper products and financial services company with revenues of a $100bn a year. Virtually every American household has some Koch product - from paper towels and lumber, to Stainmaster carpet and Lycra in sports clothes, to gasoline for cars. The Koch’s political philosophy of rolling back environmental and financial regulations is also beneficial to their business interests.
The Kochs rarely talk to the press, and conduct their affairs behind closed doors. But at a secret meeting of conservative activists and funders the Kochs held in Vail, Colorado this past summer, someone made undercover recordings. One caught Charles Koch urging participants to dig deep into their pockets to defeat Obama. "This is the mother of all wars we've got in the next 18 months," he says, "for the life or death of this country." He called out the names of 31 people at the Vail meeting who each contributed more than $1m over the past 12 months.
In the 2010 congressional elections, the Kochs and their partners spent at least $40m, helping to swing the balance of power in the US House of Representatives towards right-wing Tea Party Republicans. It has been reported that the Kochs are planning to raise and spend more than $200m to defeat Obama in 2012. But the brothers could easily kick in more without anyone knowing due to loopholes in US law.
The Kochs founded and provide millions to Americans for Prosperity, a political organisation that builds grassroots support for conservative causes and candidates. Americans for Prosperity, which has 33 state chapters and claims to have about two million members, has close ties to Tea Party groups and played a key role in opposing Obama's health care initiative.
This year, Americans for Prosperity spent at least half a million dollars supporting Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker's efforts to cut social spending and roll back collective bargaining rights for public employee unions. The legislation passed by Walker makes it more difficult for unions, which are major backers of Democratic candidates, to secure funds for political purposes. Americans for Prosperity is also very active in a battle against unions in Ohio, another important 2012 presidential state. Its president, Tim Phillips, says that the organisation is winning in Wisconsin and around the country "because on the policies of economic freedom, we're right". He refused to tell People & Power reporter Bob Abeshouse how much the organisation is spending to combat the unions.
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Is it because this is an International polling and not limited to US Citizens?
Thoughts?