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Mar 23, 2012 12:40 PM CSTDo you support the use of public funds/taxes to pay for private religious schools?
Scubadiva
ScubadivaScubadivaNew Jersey, USA106 Threads 11 Polls 2,689 Posts

Do you support the use of public funds/taxes to pay for private religious schools?(Vote Below)

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March 23, 2012

Louisiana has an incredibly bad record when it comes to taxpayer aid to religious schools.

Back in the 1920s, Gov. Huey Long pushed a bill through the legislature giving textbooks to Catholic schools at taxpayer expense. The state has been the site of repeated efforts to siphon tax dollars away from public schools into the coffers of religious schools ever since.

Two especially dangerous bills are moving in the Pelican State. One expands existing voucher programs that are limited to “special needs” students and select students in New Orleans to include all low-income students. Another is a tax credit scheme that is gaining in popularity among right-wing legislators. Under these boondoggles, which are essentially vouchers by another name, people donate money to organizations that offer “scholarships” (vouchers) to private school patrons. The donor then gets a 100 percent tax rebate.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal is playing hardball on this issue. Last week, state Rep. Harold Ritchie (D-Franklinton) was replaced as vice chairman of the House Insurance Committee after he voted against the tax-credit plan during a committee vote.

Added Ritchie, “They were just sending a message to all who are fixing to vote (on administration bills). That is just fear and intimidation.”

U.S. Sen. Mary Landrieu blasted the move in a press release.

“Gov. Jindal said yesterday that he wants this process to be an open one, with time and opportunity ‘for people to offer their ideas, their reviews, their comments,’” noted Landrieu. “If that is true – and he is serious about allowing an open and fair review of his proposals – this type of intimidation should not be part of this important and extraordinary debate.”

Ritchie said he voted against the bill (HB 969) because he’s concerned about its provisions.

“I asked a few questions about the accountability provisions in it,” Ritchie said. “I just couldn’t vote for it…. I’ve got to vote my conscience. I have to vote [with the needs of] my district back home.”

Ritchie is right to be concerned about accountability. Private school boosters in the state are salivating at the prospect of receiving taxpayer support, but they have steadfastly resisted all efforts to impose any accountability standards.

Gene Mills, executive director the politically powerful Louisiana Family Forum (an arm of Focus on the Family), wrote recently that the only accountability private religious schools should have is to the parents who use those schools.

“I am of the impression that the cries for accountability and testing are a ‘poison pill’ designed to cripple the Jindal education reform package,” Mills wrote. “No church-run school would or should adopt the onerous and unproductive edicts, mandates, standards, test, philosophies, fees or red tape that so-called ‘accountability’ imposes.”

Some legislators are concerned about the accountability issue and have proposed legislation that would impose the same standardized tests on the private schools taking part in the "choice" plan that public school students take. It’s unclear how all of this will shake out.

Legislation expanding the voucher plan to low-income students passed the state House yesterday and is headed to the Louisiana Senate. Legislators did approve an amendment to the bill requiring some accountability, but details would apparently be set by the governor’s allies.

During debate over that bill, some legislators argued that Louisiana is turning its back on public education. State Rep. Robert Johnson (D-Marksville) asserted, “I came here to fix the public school system….We shouldn’t raise the white flag…and pass the buck to the private school system.”

Johnson is right on. Private schools are popular in Louisiana, but public institutions still serve more than 80 percent of the children there. Those schools alone deserve taxpayer support.

The tax credit plan is scheduled to face a vote next week.
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Mar 23, 2012 4:37 PM CST Do you support the use of public funds/taxes to pay for private religious schools?
Class5
Class5Class5Skankytown, Queensland Australia4 Threads 1,010 Posts
I agree with it to a point. A programme where fees are subsidised by the state would give relief to the state education system by allowing funding to be directed at improving existing facilities, as opposed to building new schools at the current rate. Of course these schools would be compelled to adhere to the state approved curriculum and assessment regime.
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Mar 23, 2012 5:54 PM CST Do you support the use of public funds/taxes to pay for private religious schools?
Scubadiva
ScubadivaScubadivaNew Jersey, USA106 Threads 11 Polls 2,689 Posts
Class5: I agree with it to a point. A programme where fees are subsidised by the state would give relief to the state education system by allowing funding to be directed at improving existing facilities, as opposed to building new schools at the current rate. Of course these schools would be compelled to adhere to the state approved curriculum and assessment regime.


I am quite sure that this argument has been considered, but as it is, the existing facilities aren't generally renovated and the biggest chunk of school funding is consumed by overpriced administrators. The funds don't trickle down to the students. Private organizations can also increase their funding requirements and if not met, simply reduce staffing etc. In my experience, privatization of essential functions has always led to a worse outcome.
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Mar 23, 2012 5:59 PM CST Do you support the use of public funds/taxes to pay for private religious schools?
pops666
pops666pops666Waterloo,ontario, Ontario Canada4 Threads 1,387 Posts
Here you support the public or seperate school boards...so which ever you support thats where your tax dollars are allocated to...it simplifies things and the two school boards have their own funds so no one can complainconversing
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Mar 23, 2012 6:04 PM CST Do you support the use of public funds/taxes to pay for private religious schools?
Class5: I agree with it to a point. A programme where fees are subsidised by the state would give relief to the state education system by allowing funding to be directed at improving existing facilities, as opposed to building new schools at the current rate. Of course these schools would be compelled to adhere to the state approved curriculum and assessment regime.
trouble is that they mostly don't adhere to the Guidelines.
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Mar 23, 2012 8:31 PM CST Do you support the use of public funds/taxes to pay for private religious schools?
Conjurs up George Bush with his theiving "Faith Based Initiatives".

What a scam that was. Theft no matter how you defined it.
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Mar 24, 2012 12:56 AM CST Do you support the use of public funds/taxes to pay for private religious schools?
Class5
Class5Class5Skankytown, Queensland Australia4 Threads 1,010 Posts
Conrad73: trouble is that they mostly don't adhere to the Guidelines.


You may be right. My experience is limited to the education system within Queensland where it is rigidly monitored. I am also aware that we have one of the better systems in place.
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Mar 25, 2012 2:00 PM CST Do you support the use of public funds/taxes to pay for private religious schools?
Kargyle227
Kargyle227Kargyle227Home of the B-2, Missouri USA17 Threads 4 Polls 480 Posts
Let's Inventory the basement of the Vatican, First....
There's probably more Gold there than at
Ft. Knox...!!

dunno
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Apr 1, 2012 10:54 PM CST Do you support the use of public funds/taxes to pay for private religious schools?
Carl96190
Carl96190Carl96190Gold Coast, Queensland Australia5 Threads 857 Posts
Yes, but not because I believe in state sponsorship of religion.
I support the funding of religious (and all other private) schools because it makes good financial sense for the state to do it.
Here in Australia the state pays schools a certain amount for each student and the parents also pay school fees.
Without this, only the quite wealthy would be able to afford to send their children to private schools.
The subsidy paid to the schools is about HALF what it would cost the taxpayer to educate those same children if they were sent to government schools.
Here in Australia, if the subsidisation of private schools stopped the government would have to find another $7 billions dollars to fund the extra places in its school system.
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