911 terrorism....american government.? (155)

maxmate1: And what exactly they tell you? "we had orders to LIBERATE a village by killing them all?" OR "We sent a drone to kill a suspect, but children and innocent civilians died as a colatteral Damage?" Or "we don't know how Afghans have been fighting millions of soldiers for over 10 years"?

Come on. The very wars are questionable. Illegal Iraq War was a mass genocide and nothing else. If they had to "take-out" saddam, they know many other ways to do so.

Don't tell us opinions of soldiers who are the fuel of war themselves, who are paid not to have opinions but to follow orders ONLY. OR get courtmarshalled!

You representing peaceful americans' opinion is really funny. I admit American flag being burnt as true also the IED incidents being true as well...So you're suggesting, you wage war on stone-age people and they don't even retaliate? That's why war is bad. Because human lives are lost on both sides. Only Death WINS.

I think, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Athiesm, are all peaceful. Religion bashing is the failed slogan of war-mongers and colonisers.

You mean Moslems should have marched to catch him acting like soldiers? When CIA itself trained him to be a monster? You're saying Moslems supported Osama? Did you see that on BBC, CNN? Come on, the religion bashing hoax is long busted now. You're a great example of media brainwash!



For once you're right about the PR work. Ofcourse the amount of indoctrination the controlled media has done and the effects of it will take a long long time to subside. I'm not looking to do that. I'm just looking to say the truth, no matter what!

54xmax: Nobody turned him in cos the whole raid was "Hollywood propaganda political stunt" - - - As HE died already in 2003 - - - - The whole story was made up just to lift Obama's ratings - - - They were saving it for the right moment - - - - Only fools believe US Propaganda crap about his death - - -

54xmax: What ever helps you sleep mate. All I am going to say - - - - - is that I do not believe anything your government says about anything - - - - ( For that matter I don't believe anything what my government says ) - - - - - -

Albertaghost: Actually Ray they wanted to topple regimes of the ME and the best way to do it was to garner support from like minded people of the region. A common enemy (known in Jihadi circles as the 'Far Enemy' required to be attacked in a spectacular fashion in order to prove they were powerful. The attack was not about killing as many as possible as they could have done so much more damage and death with lesser public attacks but rather a show of force to get the 'wow' factor from those whom they hoped to bring to their side in the mission to overthrow regimes of the ME.

Also, they were not cave men as cave men would not be able to blend in with society in the US as these University graduates did for over a year here and in Europe.
Seems they had things scoped out pretty good. Definitely not 'cavemen' Ray.

Not difficult to do, banks and aircraft have been robbed and hijacked with less than that.

Indeed. Finding the two tallest buildings in New York City must require a freakin' microscope!

At speeds over six hundred miles per hour and bullet speed around the same to a thousand yes, they would have. In fact, to attempt to compare any aircraft crash with these is not on as the speeds here were deliberately maximized for obvious reasons and those in normal (if you can call any that) crashes minimized for also obvious reasons.

Incidentally, the speeds had to have had a bearing on weakening the structure.
They found lots though Ray. During the months that followed they found parts of bodies, pieces of office furniture, shards of aircraft and beams etc. No traces of explosive though.
How fast is free fall Ray? In my paratrooper days it was about a hundred twenty miles per hour or about five seconds for a thousand feet.
Yes. That one makes me very ery suspicious. Why would anybody if perpetrating this crime detonate it so long after? Makes me think that it collapsed due to being hit by debris and heat.
Tiny? You call a seventy foot hole tiny? "roll:

To be continued ....

RayfromUSA: There are two conflicting conspiracy theories.

Theory One
(the "official" theory)

Saudi cavemen in Afghanistan hated US freedom. They decided to kill themselves just to kill some Americans. They moved to the US, learned to fly and then slipped onto four aircraft in different cities, w/o tickets, w/o being listed on the flight manifests, w/o being filmed by security cameras, etc. They hijacked the giant airliners (using box cutters), and flew them hundreds of miles, directly to precise targets, and then descended in giant complex arcs from 40000 feet to precisely hit their targets on the first pass without any help whatsoever from ground control radar. The planes then disappeared into their target buildings like a bullet into a a giant marshmallow, leaving not one piece of evidence. And then, (in two cases) the flames were so hot that they melted steel and even though the planes hit the building 80 stories up, the entire buildings collapsed to the ground at freefall speed. And a third building not hit at all decided to collapse too. However at the pentagon the plane somehow disappeared (wings and all) into a tiny hole smaller in diameter than the plane's fusilage, and instead of a raging steel-melting inferno, books on a table just beside the point of impact were not burned or even disturbed. But of course, this plane too disappeared without a trace. Finally, on a fourth plane, portable phones, which normally can't contact earth from even 5000 feet in the air, were able to hold lengthy conversations from 40000 feet and continue these conversations for up to 20 minutes, during which time the plane flew hundreds of miles from the relay point of the conversation (normally you lose contact after driving even 10 miles from a relay). And of course, that plane too disappeared into a ditch, leaving no trace of the aircraft.

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Theory Two
(the basic alternative theory avoiding specifics)

US oil companies, war industries, and other industrial leaders wanted "a new Pearl Harbor" to allow implementation of their plan to militarize the US and adopt an aggressive neo-colonialist foreign policy. They also wanted specific justification to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. Their good buddies, the Israelis wanted an excuse to exterminate Palestine and seize more territory. And, on a broader globalist agenda the western banking elite wanted to move forward with their long known agenda to provoke a worldwide economic collapse and establish a plan of global governance (the NWO). Meanwhile Larry Silverstein bought the WTC at a bargain price and insured it against terrorist attacks only a couple of weeks prior to 911, and Mayor Giuliani had a special "bunker" "emergency management center" installed in WTC 11 (which conveniently disappeared in the collapse).

Staging a phony "attack" on the WTC provided the needed "catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor" sought by the US fascists. It freed the Israelis to bomb Palestine without interference from other nations. It gave the needed justification to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. It led to all sorts of new laws to be pushed through Congress without debate, laws that stripped away constitutional protections and effectively paved the way for the rise of a dictatorship.
The wars resulting from the staged attack led to the desired economic collapse and will ultimately lead to the stripping of US sovereignty and its subjugation by a globalist super-ordinate power such as the UN or a future North American Union.

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Clearly both conspiracies can't be true.

Either the attack was due to suicidal Arabian cavemen.
or
It was due to rich powerful western elitists with agendas that involve money and global power.

Personally I find the second theory to be much more reasonable in better conformity with the available evidence.