Tour de France or Tour de Fraud! (43)
mr1983: Their punishments are just six months and are tailored such a way that they won't miss any major races.
So where was Contador???
As mentioned above Cian O Connor is back at an Olympics having tarnished a medal. It is widespread in sport sadly...
By the way how could you have held Armstrong as a hero. The dogs on the street 'knew' what he was up to but just as with Michelle Smith he kept passing the tests. Those two would be the two sportspeople who have let me down... I hope Armstrong is nailed for it...
KNenagh: Doping is a problem everywhere where money is involved. The problem with horses for me is, if a human sportler decides to dope himself up to the eyeballs, it's his problem, a horse doesn't have the choice. It's not a tool like a bike but a living creature. I ride horses myself but no competitions, purely as a hobby and I grew up going to the show jumping in Aachen (best show jumping and dressage competition in the world) and love watching it, but the top sport horses have a short shelf live...
Are you sure that the Dublin Horse show is not the best show jumping in the world? I bet ye don't have a bigger red brick wall in Aachen!
skyblue43: If by prevalent you mean people are caught and exposed...no.
If by prevalent you mean where there is as much doping I will say every speed, power and endurance sport.
The idea that there are chemists creating drugs and only finding a market in the cycling community is laughable particularly when its rewards are so small compared to some other sports. All sports are using them.
If by prevalent you mean where there is as much doping I will say every speed, power and endurance sport.
The idea that there are chemists creating drugs and only finding a market in the cycling community is laughable particularly when its rewards are so small compared to some other sports. All sports are using them.
The problem with that assertion is that if there was a culture of drug taking in other sports to the level there was/is in cycling, the rumours and accusations would also be flying fast. The silence is other sports is deafening though. I find it amazing that none of the rumours that are flooding cycling are happening to any major extent in other sports.
mr1983: The problem with that assertion is that if there was a culture of drug taking in other sports to the level there was/is in cycling, the rumours and accusations would also be flying fast. The silence is other sports is deafening though. I find it amazing that none of the rumours that are flooding cycling are happening to any major extent in other sports.
Most of the other events are individual sports...only a small number of people are privvy to what any individual does.
The silence of many, especially where large amounts of money and corporate finance are involved, could be called a conspiracy.
mr1983: Are you sure that the Dublin Horse show is not the best show jumping in the world? I bet ye don't have a bigger red brick wall in Aachen!
Eh, I went once to the Dublin Horse Show...
Aachen has a stadium for show jumping only and the only stadium in the world for Dressage only. They have over 360.000 people watching the week of show jumping there. The riders usually vote it as the best venue in the world. Winning Aachen is like winning Wimbledon.
The whole city is involved, everyone goes, lots of local people who don't ride would go there and it's a social thing, too, with bands playing every night.
skyblue43: Most of the other events are individual sports...only a small number of people are privvy to what any individual does.
The silence of many, especially where large amounts of money and corporate finance are involved, could be called a conspiracy.
The silence of many, especially where large amounts of money and corporate finance are involved, could be called a conspiracy.
The individual idea just doesn't really fit. When Michele Smith made massive strides, she was accused by fellow individual sports people and the rumours did fly. The only way it will fit is if every single individual is taking drugs and the whole of the sporting world(individual sports) is one big conspiracy. And even then a conspiracy this size would be investigated.
I'll refer you to comments of David Walsh and Paul Kimmage who as I'm sure you are aware have been loud and vehement in their assertions about Armstrong and cycling in general. They both love the sport and want it cleaned up. Both men are of the belief that there was not one runner in the last Olympic 100m final who was clean. Both have stated that the top levels of all sports with large financial rewards are tainted by drugs. It is an opinion I agree with. You obviously feel cycling is an island of cheating in an ocean of deep blue cleanliness. We shall agree to differ as I need sleep...
skyblue43: I'll refer you to comments of David Walsh and Paul Kimmage who as I'm sure you are aware have been loud and vehement in their assertions about Armstrong and cycling in general. They both love the sport and want it cleaned up. Both men are of the belief that there was not one runner in the last Olympic 100m final who was clean. Both have stated that the top levels of all sports with large financial rewards are tainted by drugs. It is an opinion I agree with. You obviously feel cycling is an island of cheating in an ocean of deep blue cleanliness. We shall agree to differ as I need sleep...
Even if all sport is clouded in drugs, the thread was asking whether cycling is a fraud. I believe it is. I really don't know the backgrounds of other sports too well to argue with any real conviction against your assertions that all sport is the same.
So for now I suppose we will agree to disagree!
if i want to see a load of junkies cycling around,all i have to do is walk down o connell st.dont need the tour de steroids for it.
its a shambles of a sport.
the lad that comes last should b the winer,because he probably took nothing.
its a shambles of a sport.
the lad that comes last should b the winer,because he probably took nothing.
mr1983: The Tour de France finished today with a British one-two in the overall standings. The second placed cyclist has in the last few years made strides that even by cycling's doping past is virtually unheard of. Lance Armstrong is almost certainly going to be unveiled a doper this year. Contador is a doper. There was four cyclists in the race who were granted partial immunity to give evidence on Lance Armstrong. The greatest cyclists of all time, Eddie Merckx was caught doping 3 times. Stephen Roche almost certainly doped also! This sport is a fraud!
Tour De Fraud.
Gave up watching professional cycling as its endemic in the sport and while there have been efforts to clean it up they don't go far enough for me. There have been rumours about the Doc at team Sky for the last couple of years and I don't believe this tour is clean.
Athletics is another one I have no trust in and swimming.
There is an argument to allow performance enhancing drugs in sport but I don't buy into that. The rich will just keep winning and thats not what it should be about imo.
thank god its over
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Good point. Maybe I'm more down on cycling because of the way I held Armstrong as an idol for years.
i can't really comment on Lemond but there has been question marks about Indurain. His size is something which people point to when they are asked about his mountain abilities. He could pump a huge amount of blood around his system. He was linked to oxygen transportation drugs though. And a team-mate has linked him to blood doping and transfusions.
The problem with the ValVerde case and other is that they have admitted to doping but have been allowed to race in the Tour. Their punishments are just six months and are tailored such a way that they won't miss any major races. He won a stage in the Tour and it is clear he should be banned. That stinks!