Do you support Palestine or Israel? (100)
Butchdude: The Palestinians want to destroy Israel. They are not prepared, ever, to accept Israel's existence. That's unfortunate for them, because they will never have a real state until they face the reality of the state of Israel. Palestinians could have had peace and a state a long time ago if they weren't so intent on destroying Israel. That's the truth. These are the facts.
Partly true, not all Palestinians want to destroy Israel but Hamas yes.
Foxmaine: WRONG! The UN DID NOT create Israel! Just because it was conquered and vanished long ago then came back does not mean the UN created Israel.
In 1948 the UN wanted to create two states but the Arab countries refused and preferred war. Today the Palestinians are asking for less territory than they would have gotten in 1948 had they accepted what was on the table then.
If more people here support israel then obviously mostly
from usa and israel.the land was stolen from palestiniens
according to david ben gurion.
from usa and israel.the land was stolen from palestiniens
according to david ben gurion.
constant7: If more people here support israel then obviously mostly
from usa and israel.the land was stolen from palestiniens
according to david ben gurion.
stolen when? The israelites were there 3000 years ago +from usa and israel.the land was stolen from palestiniens
according to david ben gurion.
constant7: If more people here support israel then obviously mostly
from usa and israel.the land was stolen from palestiniens
according to david ben gurion.
from usa and israel.the land was stolen from palestiniens
according to david ben gurion.
So by that train of thought, all those who support Palastine are from the Arab countries and Ireland?
chris27292729: Almost nothing left for them to call it a State, an Autonomous State,or a country.
Yes, unfortunately you're right there.
Scubadiva: Yes, unfortunately you're right there.
why unfortunately.Palestinians have turned down many reasonable offers. Now, because of their bombing innocents etc they find themselves behind a wall.
I don't support either, I think they should both put their guns down and accept the fact that we live in this world together and have to learn to get along or we'll not only destroy ourselves but this world also and then who wins when everything is destryed
hoolet: I have a hard enuf job supporting myself!!!!!!!!
thank you for the smile among all the monotony :)
LILLYLADY: Has anyone here actually had the opportunity recently to take a tourist visit to Gaza? For the Christians Israeli bashing, try going into Gaza on a tour bus. Try going to see Bethlehem. A Christian friend of mine went on a group tour to Bethlehem and had a Palestinian bus driver. Even with that, the bus was stopped and armed Palestinians came on the bus and harrassed each and every tourist. All elderly tourists at that. The women had to keep their heads bowed down, no eye contact and her Christian pastor was harrassed terribly. Then everyone was herded everyone off the bus in the heat and received alot of direct yelling at them.
Her response was that they were truly lucky that they were allowed to leave with their lives. She said she never saw such hate in the eyes of people. She said their eyes were black with hate. She did not see this amongst the Israelis, even the orthodox as she toured their holy places. She said no way Palestinians deserve a state or country of their own. She had nothing but other harsh words for what she saw and personally experienced. She wasn't sure if her bus would be blown apart by a rocket fired at it while on the way back to the border. No one on the bus even spoke a word on the way to the border they were so scared.
I'm not saying there are no radicals in Israel but you will probably overall not wind up with your throat cut or shot by a Jew while visting a holy site within visitation hours, following visitation site rules and are not there with the intent to murder another person. But you may find some of the Arab youth throwing stones if they don't want you to visit their holy places.
I think most of us may verbally support a country in this forum but overall, it is probably best to have lived there and been amongst it's people to truly come to a vote either way. Know that some of the forum posters probably have lived there. JMHO.
Her response was that they were truly lucky that they were allowed to leave with their lives. She said she never saw such hate in the eyes of people. She said their eyes were black with hate. She did not see this amongst the Israelis, even the orthodox as she toured their holy places. She said no way Palestinians deserve a state or country of their own. She had nothing but other harsh words for what she saw and personally experienced. She wasn't sure if her bus would be blown apart by a rocket fired at it while on the way back to the border. No one on the bus even spoke a word on the way to the border they were so scared.
I'm not saying there are no radicals in Israel but you will probably overall not wind up with your throat cut or shot by a Jew while visting a holy site within visitation hours, following visitation site rules and are not there with the intent to murder another person. But you may find some of the Arab youth throwing stones if they don't want you to visit their holy places.
I think most of us may verbally support a country in this forum but overall, it is probably best to have lived there and been amongst it's people to truly come to a vote either way. Know that some of the forum posters probably have lived there. JMHO.
No one. Everybody is the same. All have same feelings, astrology, there are the twelve star sign traits. The power mongers are scorpio and pisces. They both have the mentality of my land, my car, my this etc.
And each one doesnt like to be controlled, but likes to control and both star signs have an urge for power.
Its a no win situation, but Palestinians obviously suffer a lot more, cause they dont have the power or guns etc, and dont want to be controlled and have no freedom.
And the Israelis, want to hang on to freedom and identity and have the military power and guns.
Sad situation. unfortunately human nature is the one with the power and guns, always anihalates the other one eventually.
And each one doesnt like to be controlled, but likes to control and both star signs have an urge for power.
Its a no win situation, but Palestinians obviously suffer a lot more, cause they dont have the power or guns etc, and dont want to be controlled and have no freedom.
And the Israelis, want to hang on to freedom and identity and have the military power and guns.
Sad situation. unfortunately human nature is the one with the power and guns, always anihalates the other one eventually.
Mrcreative: No one. Everybody is the same. All have same feelings, astrology, there are the twelve star sign traits. The power mongers are scorpio and pisces. They both have the mentality of my land, my car, my this etc.
And each one doesnt like to be controlled, but likes to control and both star signs have an urge for power.
Its a no win situation, but Palestinians obviously suffer a lot more, cause they dont have the power or guns etc, and dont want to be controlled and have no freedom.
And the Israelis, want to hang on to freedom and identity and have the military power and guns.
Sad situation. unfortunately human nature is the one with the power and guns, always anihalates the other one eventually.
And each one doesnt like to be controlled, but likes to control and both star signs have an urge for power.
Its a no win situation, but Palestinians obviously suffer a lot more, cause they dont have the power or guns etc, and dont want to be controlled and have no freedom.
And the Israelis, want to hang on to freedom and identity and have the military power and guns.
Sad situation. unfortunately human nature is the one with the power and guns, always anihalates the other one eventually.
Mrcreative: No one. Everybody is the same. All have same feelings, astrology, there are the twelve star sign traits. The power mongers are scorpio and pisces. They both have the mentality of my land, my car, my this etc.
And each one doesnt like to be controlled, but likes to control and both star signs have an urge for power.
Its a no win situation, but Palestinians obviously suffer a lot more, cause they dont have the power or guns etc, and dont want to be controlled and have no freedom.
And the Israelis, want to hang on to freedom and identity and have the military power and guns.
Sad situation. unfortunately human nature is the one with the power and guns, always anihalates the other one eventually.
And each one doesnt like to be controlled, but likes to control and both star signs have an urge for power.
Its a no win situation, but Palestinians obviously suffer a lot more, cause they dont have the power or guns etc, and dont want to be controlled and have no freedom.
And the Israelis, want to hang on to freedom and identity and have the military power and guns.
Sad situation. unfortunately human nature is the one with the power and guns, always anihalates the other one eventually.
Mrcreative: No one. Everybody is the same. All have same feelings, astrology, there are the twelve star sign traits. The power mongers are scorpio and pisces. They both have the mentality of my land, my car, my this etc.
And each one doesnt like to be controlled, but likes to control and both star signs have an urge for power.
Its a no win situation, but Palestinians obviously suffer a lot more, cause they dont have the power or guns etc, and dont want to be controlled and have no freedom.
And the Israelis, want to hang on to freedom and identity and have the military power and guns.
Sad situation. unfortunately human nature is the one with the power and guns, always anihalates the other one eventually.
True creative, sad situation for allAnd each one doesnt like to be controlled, but likes to control and both star signs have an urge for power.
Its a no win situation, but Palestinians obviously suffer a lot more, cause they dont have the power or guns etc, and dont want to be controlled and have no freedom.
And the Israelis, want to hang on to freedom and identity and have the military power and guns.
Sad situation. unfortunately human nature is the one with the power and guns, always anihalates the other one eventually.
I will bow out of this debate.
My opinion is not informed enough
Whatever my views, the situation is a tragedy for all involved
Peace
I honestly believe the jews have no right in the middle east and that truman made a great mistake allowing them. its true that everyone needs somewhere to live, but the unfortunate part is that religions breed murder and if the jews ever want peace they must change their faith because they are living within a muslim dictatorship that will not rest until they are all dead or gone completely from the middle east.
God is everywhere, not buried in some land that a profit dedicated as some promise land.....if god is everywhere then everywhere else is a promise land, because if israel is their promise land it must be a promise of erasure
God is everywhere, not buried in some land that a profit dedicated as some promise land.....if god is everywhere then everywhere else is a promise land, because if israel is their promise land it must be a promise of erasure
Mrcreative: No one. Everybody is the same. All have same feelings, astrology, there are the twelve star sign traits. The power mongers are scorpio and pisces. They both have the mentality of my land, my car, my this etc.
And each one doesnt like to be controlled, but likes to control and both star signs have an urge for power.
And each one doesnt like to be controlled, but likes to control and both star signs have an urge for power.
I am a Pisces I could say I'm a Jaffacake <--- my subconscious is working well lol,Jaffa is a place in Palestine (quiet!) lol
Jesus! Jesus! He's our man! If he can't save us nobody can! Go Israel!
As a poster stated earlier,-"why care about Semites in the desert",-completely true,why should anyone do that,if you don´t happen to be a Palestinian or Israeli?
As massmurdering,genocide sweeps Kongo-Kinshasa for instance,hardly any focus is put on that tragedy(ies)....Some yrs ago,a RC report said that approx.,(exact numbers are always hard to get),-5 million people had been killed within 12 yrs of civil wars and ethnic cleansings......,but still,no focus on that....Of course,that would bring away attention from the Pal/Isr conflict.....
The same goes for the Bolshevist crimes last century,where 40-65 million´s lost their lives in Soviet Union,and another 100 million in China,Cambodia,E.Europe and elsewhere...But whenever this is brought up,-the sentiment is that this will distract and take away focus from another "tragedy",(known,for some strange reason,as the Holocaust),and that is not a good thing...
The Left sentiment is,and hs always been,-"why should this be brought up","who benefits out of this","anti-semitic propaganda",aso....
I know this very well,since I´m brought up in a Socialist Nation...
So my point is,since I don´t give a f..ck about Palestinians,why should I do it with Israelis?
Would be nice for a change,if the world focused on other disasters,far worse than this particular one....,but that will never happen....
As massmurdering,genocide sweeps Kongo-Kinshasa for instance,hardly any focus is put on that tragedy(ies)....Some yrs ago,a RC report said that approx.,(exact numbers are always hard to get),-5 million people had been killed within 12 yrs of civil wars and ethnic cleansings......,but still,no focus on that....Of course,that would bring away attention from the Pal/Isr conflict.....
The same goes for the Bolshevist crimes last century,where 40-65 million´s lost their lives in Soviet Union,and another 100 million in China,Cambodia,E.Europe and elsewhere...But whenever this is brought up,-the sentiment is that this will distract and take away focus from another "tragedy",(known,for some strange reason,as the Holocaust),and that is not a good thing...
The Left sentiment is,and hs always been,-"why should this be brought up","who benefits out of this","anti-semitic propaganda",aso....
I know this very well,since I´m brought up in a Socialist Nation...
So my point is,since I don´t give a f..ck about Palestinians,why should I do it with Israelis?
Would be nice for a change,if the world focused on other disasters,far worse than this particular one....,but that will never happen....
steveO109: I would like to know how many people on here support the state of Palestine.
I support Palestine not the Zionist government of Israel who are a disgrace to their people. We should not class all Jewish people with the policy of Israel.
Perhaps time we all began to get informed of the facts.
Saviour66: As a poster stated earlier,-"why care about Semites in the desert",-completely true,why should anyone do that,if you don´t happen to be a Palestinian or Israeli?As massmurdering,genocide sweeps Kongo-Kinshasa for instance,hardly any focus is put on that tragedy(ies)....Some yrs ago,a RC report said that approx.,(exact numbers are always hard to get),-5 million people had been killed within 12 yrs of civil wars and ethnic cleansings......,but still,no focus on that....Of course,that would bring away attention from the Pal/Isr conflict.....The same goes for the Bolshevist crimes last century,where 40-65 million´s lost their lives in Soviet Union,and another 100 million in China,Cambodia,E.Europe and elsewhere...But whenever this is brought up,-the sentiment is that this will distract and take away focus from another "tragedy",(known,for some strange reason,as the Holocaust),and that is not a good thing...The Left sentiment is,and hs always been,-"why should this be brought up","who benefits out of this","anti-semitic propaganda",aso....
I know this very well,since I´m brought up in a Socialist Nation...
So my point is,since I don´t give a f..ck about Palestinians,why should I do it with Israelis?Would be nice for a change,if the world focused on other disasters,far worse than this particular one....,but that will never happen....
I know this very well,since I´m brought up in a Socialist Nation...
So my point is,since I don´t give a f..ck about Palestinians,why should I do it with Israelis?Would be nice for a change,if the world focused on other disasters,far worse than this particular one....,but that will never happen....
Anti-semitism is an accusation made by the Right I seem to find.
I personally believe that support for Israel derives from the desire to maintain the global trade links through the Middle East. Israel's biggest backer is the multi-national corporation, financeers and those that deal in import/export - those whom have stripped us of our means of production and left us debt-ridden, destitute and dependent; those that have stifled the vigour of the nation and gutted the pride of her people. However, Israel itself is a smokescreen & of no consequence to them.
Liberal/Humanist handwringers are to be the next anti-semites. We can see this already as they blindly pity the victims, neglecting how depraved & backward many of these victims are and the impossibility of the situation itself.
Socialists & Nationalists have no reason to take sides. Britain should mind Britain's business and all other countries should do the same.
In Jerusalem’s early history, it was caught between the conquest ambitions of the great empires of
antiquity. Israel sits in the middle of a land bridge that connects three continents. Anyone who wants to build an empire that embraces Asia, Africa and Europe, has to conquer the key span in the middle of that bridge — Israel. And since its capital is Jerusalem, it came in for one siege after another. The Assyrians, Hittites, Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks and Romans — all in turn sounded their war trumpets at the gates of Jerusalem. God miraculously delivered Jerusalem many times. However, their greatest danger was never from without, but from within. Because of Israel’s frequent departure from faith in their God, He brought upon Jerusalem a destruction about which His Prophets had long warned them. This happened twice in their history, exactly fulfilling the prophetic warnings they had been given. (see Israel God’s Timepiece)
In the long period since Jerusalem’s second destruction by the Romans, the battle for Jerusalem has
become the flashpoint of a 4000 year-old conflict. The age-old family feud between two half brothers whose father was Abraham — Ishmael and Isaac has exploded upon our current scene and drug the world into it. The Arabs are the descendents of Ishmael. They have always believed that the Israelites cheated them out of their inheritance. About AD 622, this deep 4000 year-old resentment became part of a new religion that was started by one of Ishmael’s sons, Mohammed. The religion of Islam is intensely woven around the Arab culture and passions. So wherever Islam has been embraced, Ishmael’s passionate hatred toward the Jew has been embraced with
it. Tradition Many years after Mohammed’s death, some teachers of Islam began to claim something that would bind the passions of all Muslims to Jerusalem forever. A myth was created that Muhammad and his horse were miraculously flown to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem on the night of his death. Muhammad ascended to heaven on his horse from the rock on which Abraham had been willing to sacrifice his son. And of course they believe that the son was Ishmael, not Isaac. Based on this teaching, Jerusalem is the third Holiest Site in Islam. Only Mecca and Medina are seen as more important. The blood that has been spilled because of this teaching is beyond calculation. And yet the past is nothing compared
to the blood that is soon to be spilled over this. According to the Prophet Zechariah, this ancient conflict between Ishmael and Isaac over Jerusalem will be the fuse that starts the last war of the world. Now that this issue has been made part of Islam and Judaism, solving it is impossible. Muslims believe that to give Israel Jerusalem, is to confess that the Qur’an and the Hadith, the holiest teachings of Islam, are wrong. Israelis believe that to give up Jerusalem is the same as saying their Holy Bible is wrong, and that all of their sufferings in exile were for nothing.
antiquity. Israel sits in the middle of a land bridge that connects three continents. Anyone who wants to build an empire that embraces Asia, Africa and Europe, has to conquer the key span in the middle of that bridge — Israel. And since its capital is Jerusalem, it came in for one siege after another. The Assyrians, Hittites, Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks and Romans — all in turn sounded their war trumpets at the gates of Jerusalem. God miraculously delivered Jerusalem many times. However, their greatest danger was never from without, but from within. Because of Israel’s frequent departure from faith in their God, He brought upon Jerusalem a destruction about which His Prophets had long warned them. This happened twice in their history, exactly fulfilling the prophetic warnings they had been given. (see Israel God’s Timepiece)
In the long period since Jerusalem’s second destruction by the Romans, the battle for Jerusalem has
become the flashpoint of a 4000 year-old conflict. The age-old family feud between two half brothers whose father was Abraham — Ishmael and Isaac has exploded upon our current scene and drug the world into it. The Arabs are the descendents of Ishmael. They have always believed that the Israelites cheated them out of their inheritance. About AD 622, this deep 4000 year-old resentment became part of a new religion that was started by one of Ishmael’s sons, Mohammed. The religion of Islam is intensely woven around the Arab culture and passions. So wherever Islam has been embraced, Ishmael’s passionate hatred toward the Jew has been embraced with
it. Tradition Many years after Mohammed’s death, some teachers of Islam began to claim something that would bind the passions of all Muslims to Jerusalem forever. A myth was created that Muhammad and his horse were miraculously flown to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem on the night of his death. Muhammad ascended to heaven on his horse from the rock on which Abraham had been willing to sacrifice his son. And of course they believe that the son was Ishmael, not Isaac. Based on this teaching, Jerusalem is the third Holiest Site in Islam. Only Mecca and Medina are seen as more important. The blood that has been spilled because of this teaching is beyond calculation. And yet the past is nothing compared
to the blood that is soon to be spilled over this. According to the Prophet Zechariah, this ancient conflict between Ishmael and Isaac over Jerusalem will be the fuse that starts the last war of the world. Now that this issue has been made part of Islam and Judaism, solving it is impossible. Muslims believe that to give Israel Jerusalem, is to confess that the Qur’an and the Hadith, the holiest teachings of Islam, are wrong. Israelis believe that to give up Jerusalem is the same as saying their Holy Bible is wrong, and that all of their sufferings in exile were for nothing.
Rumple4skin: Why do I care what a bunch of Semites do in the desert? And I'm tired of the endless burden they're putting on us. England has enough problems of its own.
If they're so intent on one day nuking each other, then it's better that our missiles stay in their silo.
If they're so intent on one day nuking each other, then it's better that our missiles stay in their silo.
It was England who put The Jews in Palestine under the Balfour agreement and since then the Jews have stolen from the Palestinians, their land and their freedom
Taxman: It was England who put The Jews in Palestine under the Balfour agreement and since then the Jews have stolen from the Palestinians, their land and their freedom
Exactly. Actually Britain and the US have a lot to answer for. Britain used to have administrative control over the entire middle east and the oil. After the massive loans made to Britain by the US, Britain pretty much gave up its status as the Imperial power in the world and turned over most if not all over to the US - which at that time had a great interest in the region to increase its oil share (only 10% at that time). It all makes sense if one bothers to learn the history.
Scubadiva: Exactly. Actually Britain and the US have a lot to answer for. Britain used to have administrative control over the entire middle east and the oil. After the massive loans made to Britain by the US, Britain pretty much gave up its status as the Imperial power in the world and turned over most if not all over to the US - which at that time had a great interest in the region to increase its oil share (only 10% at that time). It all makes sense if one bothers to learn the history.
Scubadiva: Exactly. Actually Britain and the US have a lot to answer for. Britain used to have administrative control over the entire middle east and the oil. After the massive loans made to Britain by the US, Britain pretty much gave up its status as the Imperial power in the world and turned over most if not all over to the US - which at that time had a great interest in the region to increase its oil share (only 10% at that time). It all makes sense if one bothers to learn the history.
THAT is interesting scuba. Never knew
Mysst: I honestly believe the jews have no right in the middle east and that truman made a great mistake allowing them. its true that everyone needs somewhere to live, but the unfortunate part is that religions breed murder and if the jews ever want peace they must change their faith because they are living within a muslim dictatorship that will not rest until they are all dead or gone completely from the middle east.
God is everywhere, not buried in some land that a profit dedicated as some promise land.....if god is everywhere then everywhere else is a promise land, because if israel is their promise land it must be a promise of erasure
God is everywhere, not buried in some land that a profit dedicated as some promise land.....if god is everywhere then everywhere else is a promise land, because if israel is their promise land it must be a promise of erasure
I agree. It is very rude to plant a race of people in a country created by stealing a country from another race of people and herding the natives to live in refugee camps. Not to mention the constant oppression, aggression and derision and the forceful stealing of more land and displacement of the original occupants ever since.
I find it disheartening that so many people have no real idea of anything that goes on in the world, only what they have seen in the media in the last week.
If someone came and stole my land off me, I too would be fighting them back. And damn straight, so would all you Americans if someone did it to you.
Tragic hypocrisy.
Bluefish22: I agree. It is very rude to plant a race of people in a country created by stealing a country from another race of people and herding the natives to live in refugee camps. Not to mention the constant oppression, aggression and derision and the forceful stealing of more land and displacement of the original occupants ever since.
I find it disheartening that so many people have no real idea of anything that goes on in the world, only what they have seen in the media in the last week.
If someone came and stole my land off me, I too would be fighting them back. And damn straight, so would all you Americans if someone did it to you.
Tragic hypocrisy.
I find it disheartening that so many people have no real idea of anything that goes on in the world, only what they have seen in the media in the last week.
If someone came and stole my land off me, I too would be fighting them back. And damn straight, so would all you Americans if someone did it to you.
Tragic hypocrisy.
The open-ended commitment to the Zionist cause was modified by the British almost from the beginning. In 1922, the Churchill White Paper confirmed the right of Jewish immigration but stipulated that this should not exceed the economic absorptive capacity of the country. Then, in the greatest act of treachery against the Palestine Mandate, the British split the Mandate with all land east of the Jordan River going into an entity called Transjordan, constituting almost 80 percent of the original Mandate. Jewish immigration and Jewish land ownership were forbidden in Transjordan. But that didn't satisfy the Palestinian Arabs and the Arabist British. Even with the unbalanced division in their favor, the Arabs were uneasy with the Mandate's recognition of the Balfour Declaration -- they were adamantly opposed to any Jewish homeland in Palestine.
After Arab rioting in 1929, the Shaw Commission called for a re-examination of immigration policy and the establishment of a scientific inquiry into land usage and potential, the Hope-Simpson Commission. In 1936, the Arabs again staged a revolt in Palestine with stoppage of Jewish immigration as one of their principal demands. In response to the Arab unrest, the British Peel Commission recommended freezing immigration at 12,000 per year for five years and, now viewing Jewish-Arab cooperation as unworkable, also recommended partition. More Arab violence led to the White Paper of 1939 that made concessions to the Arabs on a wide range of issues. The British not only introduced severe restrictions on Jewish immigration (a total of 75,000 to be allowed over the next five years), and forbade land sales to Jews in most areas, but also put pressure on the German, Greek, Yugoslav, Bulgarian and Turkish Governments not to allow "illegal" immigrants into Palestine.
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