Is everything that occurs predetermined? (25)
if it is all predetermined then that suggests it has all already happened before and there is no free will.
if you know how it ends then
what do you make of the journey?
who are you?
how many times have you done the same thing over and over wondering if only you knew which part of you was able to be free, and which part was doing exactly as you were told?
if you know how it ends then
what do you make of the journey?
who are you?
how many times have you done the same thing over and over wondering if only you knew which part of you was able to be free, and which part was doing exactly as you were told?
------ This poll is Archived ------
I have to admit I sometimes get that feeling. I have such a lot of coincidences which have happened in my life and cause me to often reflect on this phenomenon. I don´t have the answer cos I don´t have the big picture. Of course, we can´t see into the future ourselves, and we think we make our own choices along the way, but maybe our choices are already predetermined.
The only certainty is death.
The only certainty is death.
------ This poll is Archived ------
------ This poll is Archived ------
Maybe the time of our death, but everything in between could be due to our or others decision.
------ This poll is Archived ------
idk........but i hate the idea that im not in controll of my own destiny
------ This poll is Archived ------
hiya 
there were some ideas on this thread you may find interesting
there were some ideas on this thread you may find interesting
------ This poll is Archived ------
If it is then why are dating sites necessary ......... 
------ This poll is Archived ------
RDM59: If it is then why are dating sites necessary .........
hiya
it's part of the determinism..
so folks like marijo and rdm find each other...
------ This poll is Archived ------
jono7: hiya
it's part of the determinism..
so folks like marijo and rdm find each other...
it's part of the determinism..
so folks like marijo and rdm find each other...
Hello J ....
So how did it all work in the past, before these modern high tech internet times.
Did god have to set up an IT Dept in heaven to keep a control of things ?
P.S. I actually didn't join CS to find a partner, honest. If this was a paying site i'd ask for my money back ....
------ This poll is Archived ------
Thank you.
------ This poll is Archived ------
Genetic predisposition plus the sum of all our experience equals to what our character is as of today. As a person is born with set genetic predispositions then this implies that he could only ever interact with his environment in one way, the way that occurs.
So, if internal motivators(genes)are preset at birth and external motivators(which shape our internal motivators - what we call experience)are by definition beyond our control, as much control as the plant has over the rain, then this means that free will doesn't exist, that we have to be predetermined.
Which isn't to say that free will isn't "real", only that it is a myth.. just consider how faith in god and religion has shaped the face of Human history and how real this is to us... but god isn't a fact.
So, if internal motivators(genes)are preset at birth and external motivators(which shape our internal motivators - what we call experience)are by definition beyond our control, as much control as the plant has over the rain, then this means that free will doesn't exist, that we have to be predetermined.
Which isn't to say that free will isn't "real", only that it is a myth.. just consider how faith in god and religion has shaped the face of Human history and how real this is to us... but god isn't a fact.
------ This poll is Archived ------
RDM59: Hello J ....
So how did it all work in the past, before these modern high tech internet times.
Did god have to set up an IT Dept in heaven to keep a control of things ?
P.S. I actually didn't join CS to find a partner, honest. If this was a paying site i'd ask for my money back ....
So how did it all work in the past, before these modern high tech internet times.
Did god have to set up an IT Dept in heaven to keep a control of things ?
P.S. I actually didn't join CS to find a partner, honest. If this was a paying site i'd ask for my money back ....
yes, i remember....you were here only for the forums..
just shows ya what determinism can do..
(btw, i'm not ready to let go of the idea of free will..
)------ This poll is Archived ------
Huh, thats a tough one
lets assume that we are the only living beings in the universe and that all that is happening is quite unique , new ... created just by chance,randomly and that Precognition , ability to see the future through "extrasensory" perception doesn't `t exist in real world but just in our wild imagination ...
lets assume that we are the only living beings in the universe and that all that is happening is quite unique , new ... created just by chance,randomly and that Precognition , ability to see the future through "extrasensory" perception doesn't `t exist in real world but just in our wild imagination ...
------ This poll is Archived ------
At some point in this century scientists will have the ability to completely redesign a person. They'll be able to do anything from engineering a superhuman immune system to changing a person's favourite colour.
If this works then mankind will have disproven free will by predetermining itself.
If this works then mankind will have disproven free will by predetermining itself.
------ This poll is Archived ------
jono7: hiya
it's that part of CHANCE how folks like marijo and rdm find each other...
it's that part of CHANCE how folks like marijo and rdm find each other...
------ This poll is Archived ------
I dont think so...I think its more like the choices we make determine the chain of events that follow. If everything was pre-determined, there would be no free will. 
------ This poll is Archived ------
Rumple4skin: At some point in this century scientists will have the ability to completely redesign a person. They'll be able to do anything from engineering a superhuman immune system to changing a person's favourite colour.
If this works then mankind will have disproven free will by predetermining itself.
If this works then mankind will have disproven free will by predetermining itself.
But has our ability to be able do this all been predetermined ?
It is incredible the knowledge we have achieved over the past 150 years, just a blink of an eye regarding our time in existence, and it is accelerating fast. Who knows what will come in the very near future. Such exciting times to be living in. I consider myself very lucky to be in existence at this period in time, by pure chance.
------ This poll is Archived ------
RDM59: But has our ability to be able do this all been predetermined ?It is incredible the knowledge we have achieved over the past 150 years, just a blink of an eye regarding our time in existence, and it is accelerating fast. Who knows what will come in the very near future. Such exciting times to be living in. I consider myself very lucky to be in existence at this period in time, by pure chance.
Well, when we reach a position where we can examine a person's mind and quantify and predict a person's behaviour before they behave in that way, and further still go on to adjust and doctor that behaviour, then this will leave little room for belief in free will. This shows that every choice we make is a product of our current genetic composition, and not ethereal(not free-will).
They're just starting to use these techniques for medicinal reasons, currently to fight auto-immune diseases, but I can see this one day being used against a whole range of physical and social negatives.
------ This poll is Archived ------
2SHORT: idk........but i hate the idea that im not in controll of my own destiny
Well son..............you better get used to the idea........cos we´re in control of nothing!!!! Can be snuffed out like a match!
------ This poll is Archived ------
we all have to make big and small choices every day. every decision either takes you down a path or opens a new one. the more careful you chose your actions the better you can control your future. fate is a weak excuse for not taking responsibility. look before you leap, and be careful of treading on butterflies.
------ This poll is Archived ------
If everything is predetermined then so is the existence of this thread and all posts here are predetermined. So it would seem pointless doing anything at all. 
It is all done beforehand without being done. Acausal causality!
So I shall not reply here - and even my intention not to reply is predetermined!!
That would prove that this post doesn't exist - and you are only imagining reading it - and that too is predetermined.
I won't wish you a good day because the kind of day you will experience is already predetermined and has nothing to do with my wishes.
It is all done beforehand without being done. Acausal causality!So I shall not reply here - and even my intention not to reply is predetermined!!
That would prove that this post doesn't exist - and you are only imagining reading it - and that too is predetermined.
I won't wish you a good day because the kind of day you will experience is already predetermined and has nothing to do with my wishes.
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jeez - that last post was so clever 
------ This poll is Archived ------
MysticMan000: Jeez - that last post was so clever
------ This poll is Archived ------
It is fabulous that we determine our own lives. Sometimes we have luck and sometimes we don't. We learn from our mistakes, from books, people, etc.etc.We control our own destiny. We can change our minds at the snap of our fingers. But we do not know when we are going to get sick, nor when our time is up. When we get sick we can deal with it. But we will never never never know when our time is up.
------ This poll is Archived ------
Genetic predisposition plus the sum of all our experience equals to what our character is as of today. As a person is born with set genetic predispositions then this implies that he could only ever interact with his environment in one way, the way that occurs.
So, if internal motivators(genes)are preset at birth and external motivators(which shape our internal motivators - what we call experience)are by definition beyond our control, as much control as the plant has over the rain, then this means that free will doesn't exist, that we have to be predetermined.
Which isn't to say that free will isn't "real", only that it is a myth.. just consider how faith in god and religion has shaped the face of Human history and how real this is to us... but god isn't a
fact.[/quote
We do have free will. It is not a myth. We all have choices in our lives. The choices we make, will most likely,determine how we live.(I exempt poor countries and countries governed by tyrants). The environment is NOT beyond our control. Please do not compare humans to plants and animals. Humans are the most intelligent organisms on this planet.We are in control of our environment and we have shaped our world over many centuries.Now with our computers and vast technology we will change the world rapidly. In the future we may even live on Mars through our rapid space programs. Mankind will be leaders in space. All these changes have occurred because of our free will.
If you believe in the bible, God has given us reign over all earth and the heavens(space).
So, if internal motivators(genes)are preset at birth and external motivators(which shape our internal motivators - what we call experience)are by definition beyond our control, as much control as the plant has over the rain, then this means that free will doesn't exist, that we have to be predetermined.
Which isn't to say that free will isn't "real", only that it is a myth.. just consider how faith in god and religion has shaped the face of Human history and how real this is to us... but god isn't a
fact.[/quote
We do have free will. It is not a myth. We all have choices in our lives. The choices we make, will most likely,determine how we live.(I exempt poor countries and countries governed by tyrants). The environment is NOT beyond our control. Please do not compare humans to plants and animals. Humans are the most intelligent organisms on this planet.We are in control of our environment and we have shaped our world over many centuries.Now with our computers and vast technology we will change the world rapidly. In the future we may even live on Mars through our rapid space programs. Mankind will be leaders in space. All these changes have occurred because of our free will.
If you believe in the bible, God has given us reign over all earth and the heavens(space).
------ This poll is Archived ------
This Poll is Archived
This Poll is archived, so you will no longer be able to post to it. Poll get archived automatically when they are older than 3 months.
More Threads
Why is this shameful?
The GOP Representatives owned by Vladimir Putin
s*xual skills
Have it both ways!
One week of the most outrageous GOP leadership!
your favorite topic?
I'm a 53 YEAR'S YUNG MAN that lives back in the 80s
Who will be The Last Person To Post... VERSION FOUR
More Proof The GOP is a Criminal Organization
beauty of the heart
More Threads
Report threads that break rules, are offensive, or contain fighting. Staff may not be aware of the forum abuse, and cannot do anything about it unless you tell us about it. click to report forum abuse »
Stats for this Poll
58 Votes
1,814 Views
25 Comments
in Chat Threads
Created: Feb 2013
Last Viewed: Apr 20
Last Commented: Mar 2013
Last Voted: Jul 2017
0 Likes
Related Forums
- Why is this shameful?
- The GOP Representatives owned by Vladimir Putin
- s*xual skills
- Have it both ways!
- One week of the most outrageous GOP leadership!
- your favorite topic?
- I'm a 53 YEAR'S YUNG MAN that lives back in the 80s
- Who will be The Last Person To Post... VERSION FOUR
- More Proof The GOP is a Criminal Organization
- beauty of the heart
Is everything that occurs predetermined?(Vote Below)