Military Personnel has post Traumatic Syndrome- Should their personal guns be taken away? (49)
robplum: i think its a touchy subject to discus, i observed Ex-Deputy PM Tim Fischer VN Vet, work towards creating a veteran treatment process in a well meant attempt to reduce the high level of veterans committing suicide.
However the answer they came up allowed psychiatry school of thought to play mind games with the veterans.
I dunno know what is happening today, but few years ago veterans were forced to take five pills per day, (smart ones tossed them down the dunny) if they didn't pick up there pills there compensation support payments were stopped.
I believe taking pills only clouds the mind and cannot possibly (other than short term) cannot offer any meaningful long term assistance for veterans to utilize the penitential of our mind (which is where problem resides) to understand and overcome the dependent arising and some meaningful understanding of the nature mind, cause of disturbance (in my experience) took an awful lot of careful guided contemplation
However the answer they came up allowed psychiatry school of thought to play mind games with the veterans.
I dunno know what is happening today, but few years ago veterans were forced to take five pills per day, (smart ones tossed them down the dunny) if they didn't pick up there pills there compensation support payments were stopped.
I believe taking pills only clouds the mind and cannot possibly (other than short term) cannot offer any meaningful long term assistance for veterans to utilize the penitential of our mind (which is where problem resides) to understand and overcome the dependent arising and some meaningful understanding of the nature mind, cause of disturbance (in my experience) took an awful lot of careful guided contemplation
The cynic in me says why are you surprised? after all, the one pill a day will always be cheaper than PROPER care and support (in the short term)
Iuchi_Zien: The cynic in me says why are you surprised? after all, the one pill a day will always be cheaper than PROPER care and support (in the short term)
yeah they are harmful, gaga land
Iuchi_Zien: The cynic in me says why are you surprised? after all, the one pill a day will always be cheaper than PROPER care and support (in the short term)
And if one pill doesn't do the trick, give them a dozen.
Pills are actually really cheap to produce. Even though they are sold for a lot more. And the enormous profits of the drug companies (much of it at taxpayer expense) can generate hefty campaign donations to politicians and kickbacks to doctors who prescribe the drugs.
So PTSD is a money-making affair for some. Expensive for taxpayers and society at large, but extremely profitable for some individuals within the military/medical/administrative loop.
Thankyou Pinay.
Iuchi_Zien: It only takes one. Not everybody who takes drugs goes on a paranoid trip and kills their wife, children and family because they believed their family were trying to kill them. The vast majority, almost all, people suffering from mental health problems are only a threat to themselves not anybody else, but it just takes one. Guns should only be in the hands of responsible people. People who are a threat to themselves or others should NOT be in possession of weapons otherwise you are playing Russian roulette with your children.
It also only takes ONE person with road rage after a bad day at work or ONE teen picked on once too often at school. These people have possibly never been seen as a threat...they are Joe-Blow next door. Some people, sadly, just snap. I am a person who is anti-gun ownership except under specific circumstances.
No they should be given help and support to deal with the issue. How can someone who puts their life on the line defending peoples rights, loose those rights themselves...such hypocracy 
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Yep, I had an online friend who was a Iraq,Vet; until he convinced me that he shot himself... (he was being cyber-bullied) ...he showed up online a few days later, and said, that the police stopped him.
I don't think he should have a gun.
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Yep, I had an online friend who was a Iraq,Vet; until he convinced me that he shot himself... (he was being cyber-bullied) ...he showed up online a few days later, and said, that the police stopped him.
I don't think he should have a gun.
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Oh Yeah!
I It's been so long, I almost forgot....
I'm the one who called the police on him.
I had to give the police in Florida, (I live in Hawaii) access to my account on another site, so they could read the emails he had been sending, and check for his IP address.
When he came back online, he said, I saved his life.
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Oh Yeah!
I It's been so long, I almost forgot....
I'm the one who called the police on him.
I had to give the police in Florida, (I live in Hawaii) access to my account on another site, so they could read the emails he had been sending, and check for his IP address.
When he came back online, he said, I saved his life.
.
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In todays paper, according to the Associated Press, there is an article titled, something like...
Iraqi Vet Helped Others, But Could Not Take The Demons...
It's about a Capt. who counseld others wit PTSD, and then, "Turned his gun on himself."
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In todays paper, according to the Associated Press, there is an article titled, something like...
Iraqi Vet Helped Others, But Could Not Take The Demons...
It's about a Capt. who counseld others wit PTSD, and then, "Turned his gun on himself."
.
anonymous1: .
In todays paper, according to the Associated Press, there is an article titled, something like...
Iraqi Vet Helped Others, But Could Not Take The Demons...
It's about a Capt. who counseld others wit PTSD, and then, "Turned his gun on himself."
.
In todays paper, according to the Associated Press, there is an article titled, something like...
Iraqi Vet Helped Others, But Could Not Take The Demons...
It's about a Capt. who counseld others wit PTSD, and then, "Turned his gun on himself."
.
Hi Anon, good to see you again, even if you are telling sad tales.
There's something a little underhand about putting people in a situation which is likely to damage their health and then attach stigma to that damage, eh?
I wonder how many suicides might be prevented if we could just magically remove the imposed shame of psychological, or emotional issues.
jac379: Hi Anon, good to see you again, even if you are telling sad tales.
There's something a little underhand about putting people in a situation which is likely to damage their health and then attach stigma to that damage, eh?
I wonder how many suicides might be prevented if we could just magically remove the imposed shame of psychological, or emotional issues.
There's something a little underhand about putting people in a situation which is likely to damage their health and then attach stigma to that damage, eh?
I wonder how many suicides might be prevented if we could just magically remove the imposed shame of psychological, or emotional issues.
Yes Jac, it is underhand, i served my country for 17 years they sent me away to do a job for them and when i came back they discharged me as being medically unfit for further service. That's the thanks i got from a greatful nation, i was stigmatised by the very people who sent me off to do their bidding and when i came back i needed help, what did they do? they showed me the door.
justjim63: Yes Jac, it is underhand, i served my country for 17 years they sent me away to do a job for them and when i came back they discharged me as being medically unfit for further service. That's the thanks i got from a greatful nation, i was stigmatised by the very people who sent me off to do their bidding and when i came back i needed help, what did they do? they showed me the door.
perhaps you might check with a "vietnam veterans association of Australia welfare office" to make sure that your getting your full entitlements
robplum: perhaps you might check with a "vietnam veterans association of Australia welfare office" to make sure that your getting your full entitlements
Thanks Rob, i've done that all taken care of.
justjim63: Thanks Rob, i've done that all taken care of.
i noticed up in queensland government been trying to hogtie vn v delegate's.
i attended a vva meeting yesterday in Bairnsdale, they not seen many iraq or afghanistan vets but they are certainly welcome
it is a sad day when our returning soldiers are being treated like criminals,like crap and being classified as dangerous. this is what the democrat party has come down to. these people put their lives on the line and sometimes get killed and the government has the balls to tell them that they cant own a firearm or purchase one. it was bad enough when they were called baby killers after they came back from the vietnam war when they weren't allowed to win. this is the mentality of the far left wack jobs and the liberal media lap dogs. it is bad enough that this communist regime want to take away everyones firearm. you know what will happen if they do? the government will have a easy time controlling the people of this nation
Policemen have Post Traumatic Syndrome!
Would you take they Service-Firearm away?
Would you take they Service-Firearm away?
Having a son who's been serving in the army and who'll soon be out because of a medical issue I don't know that much about PTS to really say yes or no.
I do feel that if someone is good enough to serve their country then by gosh they ought to be good enough to receive the help they so rightfully earned/need.
I do feel that if someone is good enough to serve their country then by gosh they ought to be good enough to receive the help they so rightfully earned/need.
Ccincy: Having a son who's been serving in the army and who'll soon be out because of a medical issue I don't know that much about PTS to really say yes or no.I do feel that if someone is good enough to serve their country then by gosh they ought to be good enough to receive the help they so rightfully earned/need.
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However the answer they came up allowed psychiatry school of thought to play mind games with the veterans.
I dunno know what is happening today, but few years ago veterans were forced to take five pills per day, (smart ones tossed them down the dunny) if they didn't pick up there pills there compensation support payments were stopped.
I believe taking pills only clouds the mind and cannot possibly (other than short term) cannot offer any meaningful long term assistance for veterans to utilize the penitential of our mind (which is where problem resides) to understand and overcome the dependent arising and some meaningful understanding of the nature mind, cause of disturbance (in my experience) took an awful lot of careful guided contemplation