Would the World be more peaceful without as much of the USA throughout it? (127)
To be, or not to be, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take Arms against a Sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them: to die, to sleep
No more; and by a sleep, to say we end
the heart-ache, and the thousand natural shocks
that Flesh is heir to? 'Tis a consummation
devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep,
To sleep, perchance to Dream; aye, there's the rub,
for in that sleep of death, what dreams may come,
when we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
must give us pause. There's the respect
that makes Calamity of so long life:
For who would bear the Whips and Scorns of time,
the Oppressor's wrong, the proud man's Contumely,
the pangs of despised Love, the Law’s delay,
the insolence of Office, and the spurns
that patient merit of the unworthy takes,
when he himself might his Quietus make
with a bare Bodkin? Who would these Fardels bear,
to grunt and sweat under a weary life,
but that the dread of something after death,
the undiscovered country, from whose bourn
no traveller returns, puzzles the will,
and makes us rather bear those ills we have,
than fly to others that we know not of.
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
and thus the native hue of Resolution
Is sicklied o'er, with the pale cast of Thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment,
with this regard their Currents turn away,
And lose the name of Action. Soft you now,
The fair Ophelia? Nymph, in thy Orisons
Be all my sins remember'd.
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take Arms against a Sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them: to die, to sleep
No more; and by a sleep, to say we end
the heart-ache, and the thousand natural shocks
that Flesh is heir to? 'Tis a consummation
devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep,
To sleep, perchance to Dream; aye, there's the rub,
for in that sleep of death, what dreams may come,
when we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
must give us pause. There's the respect
that makes Calamity of so long life:
For who would bear the Whips and Scorns of time,
the Oppressor's wrong, the proud man's Contumely,
the pangs of despised Love, the Law’s delay,
the insolence of Office, and the spurns
that patient merit of the unworthy takes,
when he himself might his Quietus make
with a bare Bodkin? Who would these Fardels bear,
to grunt and sweat under a weary life,
but that the dread of something after death,
the undiscovered country, from whose bourn
no traveller returns, puzzles the will,
and makes us rather bear those ills we have,
than fly to others that we know not of.
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
and thus the native hue of Resolution
Is sicklied o'er, with the pale cast of Thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment,
with this regard their Currents turn away,
And lose the name of Action. Soft you now,
The fair Ophelia? Nymph, in thy Orisons
Be all my sins remember'd.
Just as an aside ... do you expect me to be deeply hurt when you call me a troll and, similarly, do you take any offence when I've called you a moron ?
Thinking 'here' about that other thread and what people 'decide' about others when they see stuff like this?
To myself, it just falls under the category of sturdy debate ... but I'm open to learning !!!
'n try not to spill it in your iPad ... makes the words slur and hard to understand !
:-)
Thinking 'here' about that other thread and what people 'decide' about others when they see stuff like this?
To myself, it just falls under the category of sturdy debate ... but I'm open to learning !!!
'n try not to spill it in your iPad ... makes the words slur and hard to understand !:-)
HexagonKeySet: Just as an aside ... do you expect me to be deeply hurt when you call me a troll and, similarly, do you take any offence when I've called you a moron ?
Thinking 'here' about that other thread and what people 'decide' about others when they see stuff like this?
To myself, it just falls under the category of sturdy debate ... but I'm open to learning !!!
'n try not to spill it in your iPad ... makes the words slur and hard to understand !
:-)
Thinking 'here' about that other thread and what people 'decide' about others when they see stuff like this?
To myself, it just falls under the category of sturdy debate ... but I'm open to learning !!!
'n try not to spill it in your iPad ... makes the words slur and hard to understand !
:-)
TBH Hex I don't think many on CS actually know what the definition of trolling is. I see the word overused on forums etc in a completely unwarranted exchange. Some people seem to think as soon as you disagree with them you are "trolling", this is incorrect. I have posted on 1 blog and this poll, both of which the regulars ambushed me with the troll label. Go figure. I like to call these people control trolls. (Mods, ole timers, forum police etc etc) They believe their tenure as a member entitles them to some sort of power or free pass- Not to be scrutinised or opposed. It's cringe worthy.
You must be a member of the mutual admiration society to comment lol How do I join? Is there a casting couch?
HexagonKeySet: An interesting opinion ... yet Lu, haven't YOU done 'that which you accuse me of' yourself?
IN YOUR OPINION I am harping?
So, I have to wonder why you object to the repetition of such facts and truths as you have already agreed?
We've been through a long period of history in which we've been repeatedly and lengthily exposed to lies?
We've generations of young people who may not ever heard of Dwight Eisenhower and most certainly few will have much familiarity with his words?
Are you 'happy with the IMC status quo' then ?
Let me ask you then, how does one overcome almost a century of multiply repeated lies WITHOUT repeated the truth?
What indeed IS this 'fallacy' upon which you opine - and is it well founded ... Lu, or is it 'just defensiveness' ?
IN YOUR OPINION I am harping?
So, I have to wonder why you object to the repetition of such facts and truths as you have already agreed?
We've been through a long period of history in which we've been repeatedly and lengthily exposed to lies?
We've generations of young people who may not ever heard of Dwight Eisenhower and most certainly few will have much familiarity with his words?
Are you 'happy with the IMC status quo' then ?
Let me ask you then, how does one overcome almost a century of multiply repeated lies WITHOUT repeated the truth?
What indeed IS this 'fallacy' upon which you opine - and is it well founded ... Lu, or is it 'just defensiveness' ?
NOWHERE in MY post, will you find an assertion that I'm presenting FACTS, Hex! I've made NO ATTEMPT to have ANYTHING I've said, be taken by ANYBODY, as anything OTHER THAN my opinion! WHICH YOU DID DO! (SEE the RED material, of you post, quoted in it's entirety) And which IS the thing "I" OBJECTED to! I SAID I agreed with MOST of your points! What ELSE do you wish, of me? So NO! I HAVEN'T "DONE" what I'm objecting to, about YOUR post!
And YES! I DID say "harping" because you're been TRYING TO POUND THAT IDEA (truth and fact) into everybody head, in EVERY POST you present! When, IN "FACT", it's NOT truth and fact! Just as you've DONE AGAIN, in THIS POST, TWICE! (See the RED emphasis)
As far as "IMC status quo", IF i had any idea what you meant, with IMC, I MIGHT address THAT.
As to you question about overcoming "almost a century of multiply repeated lies", I'm UTTERLY astounded, Hex! Are you THAT short sighted? You DON'T SEE ANY LIES PRIOR TO "almost a century ago"????? I HATE to be the bearer of BAD TIDINGS, to/for you, Hex, but we've been being lied to as long as men could talk! Well, as least as long as language has been around, anyway! To ATTEMPT to imply/think OTHERWISE is the height of self-delusion! But, to answer you your question, I CAN tell you a BETTER WAY, than by doing the IMPOSSIBLE - repeated truth! #1. I DOUBT you'll EVER get a consensus of WHAT is "true"! Truth is a matter of belief, in the SAME way that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Hex! And IF you don't recognize the TRUTH of THAT statement, then you're PROVING "MY" POINT, for me! #2. IF there IS such a thing as "truth", what makes YOU the possessor of it? Or even a RECOGNIZER of it? #3. WHERE are we going to find TRUSTWORTHY people to SPREAD this truth amongst us? People that WILL NEVER "bend" this "truth" (just a LITTLE) to IMPROVE their PERSONA: "situation"? And ISN'T THAT EXACTLY the problem we're talking about, in the FIRST place? To do THAT, you're going to have to CHANGE "human nature", Hex! Which brings me to MY thoughts/methodology! The ONLY way you're going to OVERCOME the MASSIVE AMOUNT of lies told EVERYDAY, is to GET PEOPLE TOP STOP LYING - in the first place! Which means that we're going to have to CHANGE the ways we PRESENTLY live! Create a WHOLE NEW CULTURE! NOT as simple as telling "truth", true. BUT SINCE telling everybody the "truth" IS an IMPOSSIBILITY, "I" think it has a BETTER chance of WORKING! NOT easy! But DOABLE!
WHAT "fallacy", Hex? Are you TRYING to mislead our readers by IMPLYING that I HAVEN'T ALREADY stated YOUR "fallacy"? PLEASE don't try such DISINGENUOUSNESS, on ME, Hex. I STATED IT in my ORIGINAL post! I've STATED IT HERE! YOU TRY to represent YOUR OPINIONS as FACTS and TRUTH! When, in FACT, they're ONLY YOUR OPINION! NEED I BE MORE PRECISE AND CLEAR, THAN THAT! YOUR "FALLACY IS SAYING THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING FACTS AND TRUTH, when, in FACT, MUCH OF IT ISN'T! SOME of what you say CAN BE substantiated! But the LARGEST AMOUNT OF IT, IS ONLY YOUR OPINION! It's NOT "defensiveness", on MY PART! YOUR WORDS, IN RED! U say u DIDN'T say them?
VelvetOrchid: Ok ok , we all know about the myth of Sir Walter Raleigh bringing it to Ireland, maybe I was getting turnips mixed up with the potato, call it poetic licence to accentuate a point, yanks haven't got the exclusive rights to melodrama lol Why let facts get in the way of a good story? And what's the deal with tater tots?? A crime against the spud if ever there was one! An abomination! How could america defile the glorious spud, it's treason I tell you, treason !
OK, so then the objection IS to the repetition of fact and truth!
The status quo re your IMC needs little explanation ... it grows annually!
Carry on with Hollywood telling you about reality then
The status quo re your IMC needs little explanation ... it grows annually!
Carry on with Hollywood telling you about reality then
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#1. There HAVEN'T BEEN potatoes in Eirinn for 10,000 years! Potatoes were brought from the "NEW" World (The Americas, though NOT "The Americans" of which you're going on, about! Specifically, from the Incas [but probably from one of the various tribes associated with, or preceding them, in the areas they occupied.], of the high elevation Andes Mountains. They lived at an elevation ABOVE that which would allow them to grow the OTHER typically American indigenous people's crops. And so, potatoes became a staple of the Incan diet. And were brought to Europe (along with tomatoes, corn, turkeys and various other new world foodstuffs) sometime during the 1500's! SO! Since potatoes have been grown, in Erin NO MORE than 500 years, AT THE MOST, yer Irish "blarney" is showin', Lassie!
#2. Yer "great american affliction" IS an ailment that MANY Americans have, in abundance! To be sure! But there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING "American", about it! I THINK, if you'll bother to look, it's PREVALENT, in ALL societies, ALL countries, in EVERY AREA of the globe! And HAS EXISTED within the human population since PROBABLY BEFORE there WERE any "American" humans! So naming it an "AMERICAN" affliction, is ANOTHER EXAMPLE of you Irish AFFINITY for "Blarney"!
But keep on, keeping on, Lassie! There's NOTHING LIKE the "turn of a phrase", of you Irish and Welsh! So I hoist a pint a stout, to ya all!
Ok ok , we all know about the myth of Sir Walter Raleigh bringing it to Ireland, maybe I was getting turnips mixed up with the potato, call it poetic licence to accentuate a point, yanks haven't got the exclusive rights to melodrama lol Why let facts get in the way of a good story? And what's the deal with tater tots?? A crime against the spud if ever there was one! An abomination! How could america defile the glorious spud, it's treason I tell you, treason !