Feb 17, 2009 4:43 AM CST Should failed bank reward their staff with bonuses?
MrRespectNewcastle, Tyne and Wear, England UK72 Posts
MrRespectNewcastle, Tyne and Wear, England UK72 posts
those ******** at Nat West want to put a charge on my account, after my taxes helped bail the gits out and they are also giving out a billion in bonuses to their staff, I HATE BANKS.
ocean_1OPlondon, Greater London, England UK470 posts
MrRespect: those ******** at Nat West want to put a charge on my account, after my taxes helped bail the gits out and they are also giving out a billion in bonuses to their staff, I HATE BANKS.
You see, they punish you for your mistake (if it was yours) and they reward them self for failure. What kind of world we live in!!!!!!!!!!!
bodleingGreater Manchester, England UK13,810 posts
The banks dont give bonuses because they're feeling generous.
Its the way their system works, they should really be renamed incentive based pay. Its a tricky one, most of these 'bonuses' are calculated for individual performances for the previous year and are always part of a written contract. Difficult to see therefore how the employer can renage on these contracts.
"After I was dismissed and to prove just how seriously HBOS took risk management, I was replaced by a new group risk director who had never carried out a role as a risk manager of any type before."
He concluded: "Sadly, no one wanted or felt able to speak up for fear of stepping out of line with the rest of the lemmings who were busy organising themselves to run over the edge of the cliff behind the pied piper CEOs and executive teams that were being paid so much to play the tune and take them in that direction."
Two former HBOS executives were quizzed by the Treasury select committee over Mr Moore's dismissal. George Mudie, a Labour committee member, said: "At the end of the day you sacked your group risk fellow. Now, four years later it turns out he was right and you were wrong."
Lord Stevenson, the former chairman of HBOS, replied: "I remember the incident very well. It was taken very seriously by the board."
Last night George Osborne, the shadow chancellor, said: "Paul Moore has made very serious allegations about how his warnings about the risks being run at HBOS were dismissed by the then chief executive, James Crosby.
"Given that as Chancellor, Gordon Brown appointed Sir James as Deputy Chairman of the FSA and that as Prime Minister he relies upon him as a key economic adviser, the Government need urgently to investigate the allegations and discover the truth.
"What is at issue here is Gordon Brown's judgement and the people he takes advice from."
HBOS collapsed because of the failure of the very business model that allowed it to expand rapidly.
The bank operated with a huge £198bn so-called "funding gap" – the difference between customer deposits and customer loans. The gap was filled by borrowing on wholesale international money markets. But from 2007, those markets effectively froze as investors took fright, leaving HBOS unable to raise money and teetering on the brink.
Sir James was unavailable for comment.
But Mr Moore said: "One final observation I would make about the HBOS disaster is this: wasn't it actually Sir James Crosby rather than Andy Hornby (HBOS chief executive) who was the original architect of the HBOS retail strategy?
"Sir James is still deputy chairman of the FSA and advises the Government on how to solve the mortgage crisis. Some might now question what his 'contribution to financial services' has been when this will have led to millions of people in excessive debt, 10,000s who will lose their jobs and many more who balance sheets have been impacted by precipitous fall of the HBOS share price."
Mr Moore has previously accused Halifax bosses, including ex-Asda executive Mr Hornby, of abandoning the bank's conservative roots in a reckless rush for market share.
I think it is obscene that these guys have gambled with our livelyhoods brought to the brink and possibly beyond and then get a big fat pension / reward
Meanwhile it is us the ordinary punter who must bear the brunt of their mis management MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL GRRR
ocean_1OPlondon, Greater London, England UK470 posts
It seem the government (which own 77% of Lloyds TSB) agreed to pay 40000 of the bank's low wage staff (under £20000.00 year) £1000.00 each. Which make 40 million of our money been given a way. I am glad the big fat banker didn’t get any bonuses
When it all calms down again, what then? Will there be public accountability or will there business prectices be publically accountable? Im thinking they will invent a few scapegoats to appease the public then as soon as possible, normal service will be resumed - unless we shout loud enough of course..........
trish123: When it all calms down again, what then? Will there be public accountability or will there their business prectices be publically accountable? Im thinking they will invent a few scapegoats to appease the public then as soon as possible, normal service will be resumed - unless we shout loud enough of course..........
trish123: When it all calms down again, what then? Will there be public accountability or will there business prectices be publically accountable? Im thinking they will invent a few scapegoats to appease the public then as soon as possible, normal service will be resumed - unless we shout loud enough of course..........
cor trish on what planet do you live on, public accountability noway the public might find out just how much dosh really is missing out of the kitty.
gussi: cor trish on what planet do you live on, public accountability noway the public might find out just how much dosh really is missing out of the kitty.
Exactly Gussi, thats why they are raising a stink about one or two people, the media will hang em out to dry till public vengence is sated, then they will focus everybodies attentions on some other invented scandal, then itll all just carry on like before - they (gvmt and the media) treat people like fools, lead them like sheep and people fall for it every time........
ragskuttleLondon, Greater London, England UK91 posts
I fail to see why any reward should be offered - even if the job has been done well. It's called a wage. Each and everyone of us are paid a wage and we are expected to do our jobs well. Why, then, reward someone for doing their job???? Pay them and be done with it.
ocean_1OPlondon, Greater London, England UK470 posts
ragskuttle: I fail to see why any reward should be offered - even if the job has been done well. It's called a wage. Each and everyone of us are paid a wage and we are expected to do our jobs well. Why, then, reward someone for doing their job???? Pay them and be done with it.
Let say for them to do more than the expected target.
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