Ralf74: Well if you actually bothered reading it properly, you will have noticed that I am not personally religious although I do appreciate that fact that others are entitled to be and that I was not standing by the fact that it was Albert Einstein. I thought it was a good arguement for the believers.
And if you hadn't gotten so defensive you would have noticed I didn't say "You are biased. Thus, you made it up" I'm saying where you got it from was more than likely biased.
I did read your posts before I quoted and replied to you.
It's not a good argument for believers because it targets the scientist and labels him as incompetent and idiotic.
As for the Einstein thing. I was just informing you that he did not believe in any god. He has been misquoted to the point of irritation. I was aware of your standing on whether or not it was him. I was simply informing you. :]
Ralf74Bacchus Marsh, Victoria Australia4,241 posts
Atheists9086: And if you hadn't gotten so defensive you would have noticed I didn't say "You are biased. Thus, you made it up" I'm saying where you got it from was more than likely biased.
I did read your posts before I quoted and replied to you.
It's not a good argument for believers because it targets the scientist and labels him as incompetent and idiotic.
As for the Einstein thing. I was just informing you that he did not believe in any god. He has been misquoted to the point of irritation. I was aware of your standing on whether or not it was him. I was simply informing you. :]
Well of course it is biased as is your own opinions, i actually recieved it via email and thought it was a thought provoking read even as an athiest. As for the scientist, you do not think that he made the student feel incompetent and idiotic?
My only arguement here is that everyone is entitled to believe what they wish without being hounded by people wishing to change their minds. People apply many things to themselves to help them manage and cope with what life dishes out to them both good and bad, one of them being faith.
Ralf74: Well of course it is biased as is your own opinions, i actually recieved it via email and thought it was a thought provoking read even as an athiest. As for the scientist, you do not think that he made the student feel incompetent and idiotic?
My only arguement here is that everyone is entitled to believe what they wish without being hounded by people wishing to change their minds. People apply many things to themselves to help them manage and cope with what life dishes out to them both good and bad, one of them being faith.
First,
Would you like to explain how my opinion is biased?
Second,
Evolution is a beautiful thing. The weak die of the smart survive and adapt.
If people are too weak to adapt to life without accepting an invisible being who is "all around them, all the time" and protects them from the "evil" out there, then let them go crazy and send them to an asylum or a home where they can get better.
Ralf74Bacchus Marsh, Victoria Australia4,241 posts
Atheists9086: First,
Would you like to explain how my opinion is biased?Second,
Evolution is a beautiful thing. The weak die of the smart survive and adapt.
If people are too weak to adapt to life without accepting an invisible being who is "all around them, all the time" and protects them from the "evil" out there, then let them go crazy and send them to an asylum or a home where they can get better.
Everyone's opinions, including my own are biased depending on many factors including; your upbringing, environment, influences and life experiences. All these factors make us who we are and what we stand for. We are all born unbiased and indiscriminant, Have you ever watched children play, it is a beautiful thing that they can play without any reservation, fear or prejuidces as they don't really know any different.
I agree with you on the evolution thing but i have seen plenty of people of all walks of life that have proven their strength regardless of their beliefs. There are many invisible ways of protecting yourself only one being faith, have you never built a wall or barrier to protect yourself from hurt? What about imaginary friends? Dreams? Hopes? Astrology? You cannot possibly say that you can function without any of these.
Damianowen: I'm interested to know the state of the debate here on CS. I would start a thread but I'm sure it's been done to death. The poll probably has been to but I missed it so if you will...... If you think it warrants a new thread, feel free to start it but please notify me !!
zztopbananaNSW, OZ & Puke Bay, Porirua, Wellington New Zealand8 Threads1,068 Posts
zztopbananaNSW, OZ & Puke Bay, Porirua, Wellington New Zealand1,068 posts
Atheists9086: And if you hadn't gotten so defensive you would have noticed I didn't say "You are biased. Thus, you made it up" I'm saying where you got it from was more than likely biased.
I did read your posts before I quoted and replied to you.
It's not a good argument for believers because it targets the scientist and labels him as incompetent and idiotic.
As for the Einstein thing. I was just informing you that he did not believe in any god. He has been misquoted to the point of irritation. I was aware of your standing on whether or not it was him. I was simply informing you. :]
Didn't Einstein famously say 'God does not play dice with the universe' ?
zztopbananaNSW, OZ & Puke Bay, Porirua, Wellington New Zealand8 Threads1,068 Posts
zztopbananaNSW, OZ & Puke Bay, Porirua, Wellington New Zealand1,068 posts
Atheists9086: First,
Would you like to explain how my opinion is biased?Second,
Evolution is a beautiful thing. The weak die of the smart survive and adapt.
If people are too weak to adapt to life without accepting an invisible being who is "all around them, all the time" and protects them from the "evil" out there, then let them go crazy and send them to an asylum or a home where they can get better.
Everybody dies, including the smart, but perhaps the weak die sooner.
And is this termed evolution or natural selection ?
Even in one family, each family member engages in different activities, each member at one level or other, engages in unwholesome activities, or somewhere in-between more positive activities. Perhaps can we agree thar everybody one-way or other runs there own race and is therefore an individual?
Perhaps our length of life depends on our individual merit, a merit field that determines how long we experience our current temporary human experience. To me clearly sentient beings having other than human form far exceed in numbers those that enjoy our current but temporary enhanced human life experience and level of ability to reason. Whereas the birds, cat’s dogs, fish, cows etc, (beings that also have mind and fear death) far exceed humans in numbers at any one time. The birds, cat’s dogs, fish, cows etc, as we can see they die to. Perhaps if we consider how much of this one lifetime using our minds we ourselves actually expended trying to determine what is or is-not ultimate truth? I think its possible some of us probably have waisted away some of our life doing other things... Most humans even with there full facilities and considered as normal are more often than not caught up in mindless worldly activities. Perhaps some of us are to close-minded wasting away our life listening to music, falling in and out of love, or playing with our toys, to close-minded to carefully investigate the views of all others we come across, on the meaning of life.
Ralf74Bacchus Marsh, Victoria Australia4,241 posts
robplum: Even in one family, each family member engages in different activities, each member at one level or other, engages in unwholesome activities, or somewhere in-between more positive activities. Perhaps can we agree thar everybody one-way or other runs there own race and is therefore an individual?
Perhaps our length of life depends on our individual merit, a merit field that determines how long we experience our current temporary human experience. To me clearly sentient beings having other than human form far exceed in numbers those that enjoy our current but temporary enhanced human life experience and level of ability to reason. Whereas the birds, cat’s dogs, fish, cows etc, (beings that also have mind and fear death) far exceed humans in numbers at any one time. The birds, cat’s dogs, fish, cows etc, as we can see they die to. Perhaps if we consider how much of this one lifetime using our minds we ourselves actually expended trying to determine what is or is-not ultimate truth? I think its possible some of us probably have waisted away some of our life doing other things... Most humans even with there full facilities and considered as normal are more often than not caught up in mindless worldly activities. Perhaps some of us are to close-minded wasting away our life listening to music, falling in and out of love, or playing with our toys, to close-minded to carefully investigate the views of all others we come across, on the meaning of life.
I don't necessarily think it has anything to do with close mindedness but rather priority. It is not a priority for me to investigate other peoples views on religion, it is up to them, not me, i would rather waste my time enjoying life with what you consider mindless activities rather than waste time listening to people preach. Life is for living.
Ralf74: I don't necessarily think it has anything to do with close mindedness but rather priority. It is not a priority for me to investigate other peoples views on religion, it is up to them, not me, i would rather waste my time enjoying life with what you consider mindless activities rather than waste time listening to people preach. Life is for living.
(Ralf74)"Everyone's opinions, including my own are biased depending on many factors including; your upbringing, environment, influences and life experiences."!
Ralf74Bacchus Marsh, Victoria Australia4,241 posts
robplum: (Ralf74)"Everyone's opinions, including my own are biased depending on many factors including; your upbringing, environment, influences and life experiences."!
Mine probably are to...
Me too, opinions are like a**hole, everyone has one some just stink more than others, he he, and of course you are entitled to yours.
Oh oh oh a very touchie subject indeed and possibly one of my favorites, not for arguments sake but but rather just sharing ideas.
Ok..lets go way way back to when Adam and Eve where supposed to of been created and all of humanity came from them.....anyone see a problem here? somone like me who is into genetics and geneology and its ilk will tell you that when a species is formed and procriates, many thousands of years latter it will inevitably suffer from a condition called genetic degredation, which pretty much means that the DNA in question will become unstable and sucseptable to mutation, faulty genes, even the sudden end of a genetic family gene pool.
Another thing, if we all came from those two beings then...well you can kinda guess where im comeing from ya? Anyone saying "British Royal Family and Heamophilia"? lol
Now i have nothing against anyone beleiving in any dort of religion nor do i have anything against religion itself as some of my best friends are Christians but i cant seem to notice that wee seem to be over relying on religion to pull s through when things are going all pair shapped and it is we in the first place who made it that way. I think we should not stop practicing religious beleifs but try putting more faith in ourselves and our own abillities rather then over relying on something that my or may not be there.
Anyways ive said what i wanted to say now im haveing a drink lol
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And if you hadn't gotten so defensive you would have noticed I didn't say "You are biased. Thus, you made it up" I'm saying where you got it from was more than likely biased.
I did read your posts before I quoted and replied to you.
It's not a good argument for believers because it targets the scientist and labels him as incompetent and idiotic.
As for the Einstein thing. I was just informing you that he did not believe in any god. He has been misquoted to the point of irritation. I was aware of your standing on whether or not it was him. I was simply informing you. :]