Evolution Vs Creation (135)

thought there were some strange looking students around now

Have always felt that the two theories are not mutually exclusive. We were taught that the 7 days was not 7 of our days, it could have been over millions of years, and the first homo sapiens could have been adam and eve?
The question of creation defies logic, as does the existance of a god in any form. Belief requires a "leap of faith" to put it in philosophical terms. So unless one is prepared to put aside science and logic to make that leap, evolution must win out.
As far as I am concerned, the jury is still out. I have not found a satisfactory answer in nearly 61 years so i doubt if I will find one before I leave this life.

do you know of any 2 ppl who can describe a colour exactly the same way and agree on what they were discribing when they see it??

i think that even the definations of evolution and creation may differ in various ways .....

Created by living origins! Whilst looking at this through
a microscope would look like art in the making it is was
not done by an actual artist!! IMOA

I am waiting for someone to invent the first ever time machine so we can settle this age old argument for good

personally I think all religions and their associated story books like the bible are just that... stories/myths/legends that have been passed on down through the ages ... and it first they were passed down verbally .. ever played the game of chinese whispers?.. how different is the story by the time the 10 or 20th person repeats it

thousands of years ago they didn't have the benefit of science and knowledge to explain a lot of the things that were seen back then as 'miracles' .. we do now

yes I believe we have divine helpers who share a collective knowledge and help us on our journey through each lifetime.. I do not believe that one all knowing, all powerful entity created life as we know it

however.. I guess none of us will know for sure until we pass over from this life into the afterlife

Why do we as Athiests need to unite and take over? Why can't we just accept that others are free to believe whatever they wish? Why do we feel the need to force our beliefs upon others? I just dont know why we need to find other religions outside of our own beliefs so offensive. I personally think that they all have something to offer and if their faith is what helps people get through the day, then good luck to them.

[there is too many unanswered questions!/quote]


Humans have always struggled with the concept of something coming out of nothing. Our minds are finite and simply cannot grasp what is an infinite reality. Evolution explains how matter changes form and relies on the 'big bang' theory where all matter was 'created' out of dense energy, but does not explain how this energy came into existence. The creationist's position however, ascribes this creation to an infinite being.

The belief in an infinite God merely recognises that existence is beyond humans comprehension and requires a default to a infinitely higher being. We can learn about the building blocks of life as much as we like but as we are finite beings we will never comprehend infinity or how something comes out of nothing.

I believe the rejection of an infinite being, has to do with not accepting the perceived moral implications of the existence of God, rather than a lack of evidence of His existence. In the end it is our own existence along with the natural realms that declares there is a God. Without God we cannot answer the questions of how we came into being and what is our purpose.

If mud slinging follows an in depth discussion on this topic, it is because proponents for and against creation are both afraid...afraid that they are wrong. The person who knows 100% that their belief is right does not fear but rests peacefully in their position.

yep.. same god ... different names for it


and some cultures/religions have lots of gods


I found an interestng website if you wanna know about lots of different gods

right on Ralfy

Hiya all,

I couldn't help but add to this topic and say my opinion :)

I personally belive that there is a higher being or beings not just one specific person.

I do have one thought on the whole heaven and hell theroy though, If the both exist and they were created by god, then the way i see it is that this is hell and we all keep getting sent back here until we get it right. If thats wrong the explain to me why some of the most wonderful and undeserving people I know constantly have the worst that life can throw at you thrown at them????


Just my 2 cents worth :) Hope everyone is well..

Hey Viper, good to see your smiley face again!

Hey there honey,

good to see you too, i just said hi to you in bar.

talk soon ok

To follow on from the premise outlined earlier regarding being at peace with your belief, the reason for that serenity is simple. If I want to know the truth regarding anything then I first must be willing to accept the implications of knowing that truth. If I am willing to do so, then the moral impediment to knowing it is gone and I have no inner conflict. It is that lack of inner conflict that gives rise to being peaceful in what I believe.

If I were not willing to accept the implications of there being a creator then I would raise all manner of objections to His existence. If I am willing to accept the implications then the evidence of His being becomes obvious. If the fact that something has come out of nothing is insufficient then the very order of all creation cries volumes to declare God's existence. However, we see in that order something insidious , for there is a decay that works against creation and brings with it pain and suffering.

And what are the implications of the existence of an infinite creator? If I was created by someone then I am their property and if I am their property then likely there is a purpose for my life and with that purpose a responsibility. If I do something that harms His property-whether to myself or another person- then I have harmed His order and created a debt to Him in so doing.

Rather than being responsible to the creator for my life, it would be so much easier to deny His existence and live my life on my own account. To do that I would then need to obfuscate all the obvious pointers to God's existence and seek out new objections to the cries of my God given conscience.

To deny God I would say "If there is a God then why do babies die?" or "if God is so loving then why are there wars?" or "why are religious people such hypocrites?" or many other similarly veined objections. The answer to those questions goes right back to the implications of not accepting God and the incumbent responsibility to Him. It is in the rejection of God's claim on our lives that decay of His order takes place.

No, this is not a question of evidence (which is essentially what science is about) but is a question of acceptance of moral implications of that evidence.

Can I draw your attention to the only TRUE religion, the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.



On this website you will find much testament to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. As YOUR religion is based solely on testament, surely you cannot deny the testament presented in this website is irrefutable proof that the Flying Spaghetti Monster IS the one, only and true god.