Is america the most hated country? If yes, what can they do about it? -positive comments please? (194)
jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 PostsAs far as the economy being the worst it has in years may be true ,but it depends on a few things ,some are how long do you mean when you say years , the depression was way worst that this ever was , and early 70's I believe the gas lines were miles long and people waiting in line for days and pushing thier cars to the pumps for gas. And this so called bad economy depends on where you live , I see no differant today as I did 5 -6 years ago ...matter of fact I make more money now and live better now than I did then. So I am not so sure if it is bad or not , every one says it is but personally I don't see it or feel it .
ayrshie: The suggestion that America is a hated country in this day and age is beyond belief. America is defending Europe against these islamic nutcases that go around the world blowing people up cos lets face it our EEC partners nor NATO have the balls to do it. The UK and the US stand up for freedom. The person who initiated this post should ask themselves a few simple questions such as what happens when the mental cases running north Korea decide to spit their dummys and launch a nuclear strike. Who will the west turn to if islamic fundametalists such as Iran develop the capability to launch a nuclear strike on Israel.
I suggest you all look around the world and see what is going on before you judge the USA. George Bush created a lot of problems for the US but he is a thing of the past. One thing you must become aware of is that we need the USA more than they need Europe.
Every islamic country in the world that has conflict within their borders have all got one thing in common. They are all killing each other with Russian and Chinese weapons.
I honestly worry that my grandchildren will witness a major nuclear strike in the middle east within the next 30 years and at that stage who will Europe turn to.
Do not ever underestimate the importance of the USA against any threats the west faces in the coming years. In my book the USA are trusted,loyal and important allies in the defense of the free world. Do not ever make the mistake of thinking otherwise.
I suggest you all look around the world and see what is going on before you judge the USA. George Bush created a lot of problems for the US but he is a thing of the past. One thing you must become aware of is that we need the USA more than they need Europe.
Every islamic country in the world that has conflict within their borders have all got one thing in common. They are all killing each other with Russian and Chinese weapons.
I honestly worry that my grandchildren will witness a major nuclear strike in the middle east within the next 30 years and at that stage who will Europe turn to.
Do not ever underestimate the importance of the USA against any threats the west faces in the coming years. In my book the USA are trusted,loyal and important allies in the defense of the free world. Do not ever make the mistake of thinking otherwise.
The first Muslim extremest I recall wanting to attack the US, and it's allies was Ayatollah Khomeihni.
It semms he was representing a bunch of people who were tired of the Shaw of Iran.
They were also tired of the Secret Police force which Norman Shwarzkopf (Of Desert Storm) started to enforce the dictator the U.S. placed in power during a festival.
I guess they got tired of the fact they were in such poverty while the Shaw had gold toilet seats, and if they spoke out they were in danger from the fact that 1 in 10 people were Secret Police; and there was disappearances, torture, and murder.
I read this in a book of CIA apologetics, I don't recall the title; according to the author, the NSA was responsible, not the CIA.
I know that the Iranians did not like the U.S. and Britan before that, but that might have something to do with the imperialistic nature of the two countries, and the fact they discoverd a use for petroleum oil.
That information was on the History Channel.
I am interested in this thread.
I didn't try to hard to make sense out of the OP's, op.
But, the title of the thread is good.
I for one want to know how the U.S. is percieved in the world.
It is my duty to know.
I may not agree with all the things that are said, but I cannot ignore them.
I don't think any of us should.
The idea that the U.S. is perfect and people want to die trying kill us, because we are so good to them, does not make sense.
This is an oppourtunity to see things through another set of eyes besides the ones Rupert Murdoch owns.
Ayrshie....when Russia invaded afghanistan..whose weapons were the afghanis using.. American....the arms race in the middle east is being fuelled by the supply of American weapons to every country involved...and lets face it...do sanctions really fix the problem....I think not.
Fallingman: But you see they are not killing your people based on THEIR religion, they are killing your people based on YOUR foreign policies.
(I don't for one moment accept they are right to kill anybody but to solve problems it helps to realise what they actually are)
(I don't for one moment accept they are right to kill anybody but to solve problems it helps to realise what they actually are)
Nice point, and well put.
--SIGH-- The Western world were the ones who developed all of the infrastructure in oil producing countries on top of creating the machines which run on it. These ME regimes then wanted to nationalize the petroleum industries which the West created. Naturally, after sinking billions of dollars into oil production, refining and export, the western world was a little pissed at having it's investments stolen by them. This led in some cases to overthrow those countries leaders for no longer honoring oil leases. What we got was OPEC-a cartel or monopoly. There are many other owners of news stations and outlets than Rupert Murdoch and NO, he's not Jewish.
campingiscool: Ayrshie....when Russia invaded afghanistan..whose weapons were the afghanis using.. American....the arms race in the middle east is being fuelled by the supply of American weapons to every country involved...and lets face it...do sanctions really fix the problem....I think not.
I guess we make AK-47's too....There are plenty of arms being sold-Chinese, Russian, French, and British, not just ours.Da10th: Didn't effect me. So again, I'd care why?
You're kidding right?
FLARE: i have found that people are quite fond of americans all over the world. statements like "everyone hates america" is used by politicians, trouble makers, and military to justify their invasion of other countries. i have talked to quite a few iraqis and muslims, and found it surprising that they were actually making excuses for americans, saying that not all americans are bad. "it's the govt not the people". if they can think like that, they who have been bombed by americans, then clearly, america is not the most hated.
Thank you, that's a nice insight.
I was considering that to be a possibility too.
sebomaster: i am muslim and i don't hate usa and americans,i hate only their secret government controlling some puppets presidents with their busyness oriented wars(protection against talibans or i don't know what dumbs else,for petrol and some contracts to sell weapons),the conspirations of some commercials consortium who prefer to make money even if it cause the disease of millions people!
and finally the parody of elections!!!!
i know i will have ennemies by posting this
ps:please never say again god bless only america,other peoples and countries stinks?
god bless you all,no race distinction or religion!!!
god bless you all brothers and sisters!!!!!
and finally the parody of elections!!!!
i know i will have ennemies by posting this
ps:please never say again god bless only america,other peoples and countries stinks?
god bless you all,no race distinction or religion!!!
god bless you all brothers and sisters!!!!!
God bless you too.
I feel comforted to know that people see it like that outside of the U.S.
I feel frustration at the thought people might think I support so many policies that disgust me.
I've been arrested at a political protest.
We had the names of the children killed in Iraq, tied to children's shoes on display.
To read the list, and how the children were killed according to U.S. Army records, so we could lable the shoes was something that still makes me cry.
Our freedom of speech is not respected here, I do not support the war.
Many of us don't, but voter fraud is an issue, and the media corporations do not cover protests like they should.
rodolpho: America might be hated but americans are individuals.
I am not sure if US is the most hated country, but i am quite sure that the rest of the world would have a much better opinion about US if the US-governments would stop "selling" "civilization and democracy" to other countries.
mikey7777: I think the USA spends to much time in foriegn events. And not enough time here at home, helping its own people. We go into other countries, help them after we basically blow them up. But we can't help feed our own children that are lost in enviorments that are worse then poverty. We give greater tax breaks to the rich. But can't help the homeless guy that has a cardboard sign that says "will work for food" or "I'm a drunk, I need beer."
Why does america have to play the roll of global police? Why can't we just assist in very small manner if needed. Then return our attention to those in the USA? I'm not saying other countries may not need help. But why can't we, the USA, wait till that help is asked for. Rather then force possible unwanted help apon a country?
Who are we, the USA, to say this or that country must be ran this or that way? Specially with our own economy at the worse its been in years. How can we possibly be a positive example on a "how to do something" basis? .........
Why does america have to play the roll of global police? Why can't we just assist in very small manner if needed. Then return our attention to those in the USA? I'm not saying other countries may not need help. But why can't we, the USA, wait till that help is asked for. Rather then force possible unwanted help apon a country?
Who are we, the USA, to say this or that country must be ran this or that way? Specially with our own economy at the worse its been in years. How can we possibly be a positive example on a "how to do something" basis? .........
Well done
You hit the nail on the headBebeII: --SIGH-- The Western world were the ones who developed all of the infrastructure in oil producing countries on top of creating the machines which run on it. These ME regimes then wanted to nationalize the petroleum industries which the West created. Naturally, after sinking billions of dollars into oil production, refining and export, the western world was a little pissed at having it's investments stolen by them. This led in some cases to overthrow those countries leaders for no longer honoring oil leases. What we got was OPEC-a cartel or monopoly. There are many other owners of news stations and outlets than Rupert Murdoch and NO, he's not Jewish.
Corporations had to overthrow governments, in order to invest in the oil.
They had to commit murder, and use extortion.
The U.S. started a secret police in Iran to keep the Shaw in power. 1 in 10 citizens were secret police!
The U.S. put Sadaam Hussein in power.
The U.S. supported the Taliban while they were killing women in the streets for not being dressed right.
All of those things were done for the benifit of oil corporations.
How much do you think they owe the people of those nations?
Corporations had to overthrow governments, in order to invest in the oil.
They had to commit murder, and use extortion.
The U.S. started a secret police in Iran to keep the Shaw in power. 1 in 10 citizens were secret police!
The U.S. put Sadaam Hussein in power.
The U.S. supported the Taliban while they were killing women in the streets for not being dressed right.
All of those things were done for the benifit of oil corporations.
How much do you think they owe the people of those nations?[/quote}
Why don't you just come out and say it-America is always to blame for what others do.
They had to commit murder, and use extortion.
The U.S. started a secret police in Iran to keep the Shaw in power. 1 in 10 citizens were secret police!
The U.S. put Sadaam Hussein in power.
The U.S. supported the Taliban while they were killing women in the streets for not being dressed right.
All of those things were done for the benifit of oil corporations.
How much do you think they owe the people of those nations?[/quote}
Why don't you just come out and say it-America is always to blame for what others do.Your right, they rarely cover the Tea parties and ACORN sure does know how to commit voter fraud...
I agree, that's why I'm an isolationist because no matter what we do, we'll be pissed on for it. There are no children starving in America-that's a myth. We do not give greater tax breaks to the "rich" however they are defined. When other countries are allowing their territories to be used as training grounds for terrorism then THEY MAKE IT OUR BUSINESS.
anonymous1: Corporations had to overthrow governments, in order to invest in the oil.
They had to commit murder, and use extortion.
The U.S. started a secret police in Iran to keep the Shaw in power. 1 in 10 citizens were secret police!
The U.S. put Sadaam Hussein in power.
The U.S. supported the Taliban while they were killing women in the streets for not being dressed right.
All of those things were done for the benifit of oil corporations.
How much do you think they owe the people of those nations?
The Shah could easily have had Khomeni killed but didn't. Why was that? Was it perhaps because he wasn't as evil or corrupt as some made him out to be? Carter undermined Pahlavi, ushering in the era of militant Islam, a scourge the world has had to deal with ever since. It was perfectly understandable to support Iraq over Iran in this context. We trained Iraqi troops and brokered arms deals for them-arms that came from other countries, hence Iraqi equipment was Soviet made. To conflate support in this way to a green light to murder one's own people, or to invade Kuwait, as Hussein did is disengenuous and morally backward. Hussein is responsible for the crimes he committed, not us.They had to commit murder, and use extortion.
The U.S. started a secret police in Iran to keep the Shaw in power. 1 in 10 citizens were secret police!
The U.S. put Sadaam Hussein in power.
The U.S. supported the Taliban while they were killing women in the streets for not being dressed right.
All of those things were done for the benifit of oil corporations.
How much do you think they owe the people of those nations?
BebeII: The Shah could easily have had Khomeni killed but didn't. Why was that? Was it perhaps because he wasn't as evil or corrupt as some made him out to be? Carter undermined Pahlavi, ushering in the era of militant Islam, a scourge the world has had to deal with ever since. It was perfectly understandable to support Iraq over Iran in this context. We trained Iraqi troops and brokered arms deals for them-arms that came from other countries, hence Iraqi equipment was Soviet made. To conflate support in this way to a green light to murder one's own people, or to invade Kuwait, as Hussein did is disengenuous and morally backward. Hussein is responsible for the crimes he committed, not us.
In that case, the Iranian regim that let in the US citizens who overthrew their country, could easily have had them killed but didn't. Why was that? Was it perhaps because he wasn't as evil or corrupt as some made him out to be?
And, how much are the citizens owed?
Sparky55: I'm sure you meant to say conservative instead of liberal. Freudian slip perhaps????
Actually the lines are seriously blurred.
Historically "conservatives" are for fiscal restraint, small government, a non-interventionist foreign policy, states rights, strict constitutionalists etc etc etc.
But nowadays the supposed conservatives are wild spenders, push huge government projects, are militarily adventurist, push a globalist agenda, are totally interventionalist, and have shredded the constitution and the bill of rights.
Both major parties are war parties.
Both are globalist.
Both are wild spenders.
The only real difference is their particular flavor of hypocrisy.
The Democrats pretend to help the common people (but don't).
The Republicans pretend to support traditional values (but don't).
anonymous1: In that case, the Iranian regim that let in the US citizens who overthrew their country, could easily have had them killed but didn't. Why was that? Was it perhaps because he wasn't as evil or corrupt as some made him out to be?
And, how much are the citizens owed?
You want to try rewriting that sentence so it makes sense?And, how much are the citizens owed?
yea yea yea most everyone hates America.
This post is a waste of air space and people's time.
Surely OP, you have googled this very question and have done extensive/exhaustive research on the subject over a grand period of time so you can speak intellegently about it.
I surmise that you have not.
Therefore, this post is just hateful and posted on an international SOCIAL site no less. Shame on you.
If you have something to say, say it.
May I suggest that it would be best for you to enlighten the world about your country rather than single another out for your own bashing pleasure.
Surely OP, you have googled this very question and have done extensive/exhaustive research on the subject over a grand period of time so you can speak intellegently about it.
I surmise that you have not.
Therefore, this post is just hateful and posted on an international SOCIAL site no less. Shame on you.
If you have something to say, say it.
May I suggest that it would be best for you to enlighten the world about your country rather than single another out for your own bashing pleasure.
willuman: What do you adults think? Too much? I don't want to think about these things.
I'm going to lock myself in my room.
I certainly don't want to talk about it.
Let the insults begin. "Can't we all just get along?"
Just let the govt. handle everything.
Sometimes the truth is better left unsaid, Einstein!
Who do you have harassing you, pal?
Haven't you ever heard of, "Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil?
I was real rich & happy until you brought this up.
Hey buddy, where else can you go and get harassed in your own home by a bunch of criminals and hoods in the streets using harassment and abusive technology in their cars, trucks and from their homes & apartments above, behind and all around you?
Yea, but they also "help" more people than any other nation!
HaHaHaHa!!!! I like Love harassing guys like you.
Peace out, bro and try to enjoy life. There's nothing you or I can do about the big picture!! Lets just try to enjoy what little freedom we have left.
Haven't you ever heard of the make-believe world, your imagination, and memories?
Why don't you just try to find happyness in your work when they're not harassing you there like I do, buddy.
Now!, now!, don't worry, it'll be alright! "BIG BABY!" hahaha...!
I'm going to lock myself in my room.
I certainly don't want to talk about it.
Let the insults begin. "Can't we all just get along?"
Just let the govt. handle everything.
Sometimes the truth is better left unsaid, Einstein!
Who do you have harassing you, pal?
Haven't you ever heard of, "Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil?
I was real rich & happy until you brought this up.
Hey buddy, where else can you go and get harassed in your own home by a bunch of criminals and hoods in the streets using harassment and abusive technology in their cars, trucks and from their homes & apartments above, behind and all around you?
Yea, but they also "help" more people than any other nation!
HaHaHaHa!!!! I like Love harassing guys like you.
Peace out, bro and try to enjoy life. There's nothing you or I can do about the big picture!! Lets just try to enjoy what little freedom we have left.
Haven't you ever heard of the make-believe world, your imagination, and memories?
Why don't you just try to find happyness in your work when they're not harassing you there like I do, buddy.
Now!, now!, don't worry, it'll be alright! "BIG BABY!" hahaha...!
BebeII: The Shah could easily have had Khomeni killed but didn't. Why was that? Was it perhaps because he wasn't as evil or corrupt as some made him out to be? Carter undermined Pahlavi, ushering in the era of militant Islam, a scourge the world has had to deal with ever since. It was perfectly understandable to support Iraq over Iran in this context. We trained Iraqi troops and brokered arms deals for them-arms that came from other countries, hence Iraqi equipment was Soviet made. To conflate support in this way to a green light to murder one's own people, or to invade Kuwait, as Hussein did is disengenuous and morally backward. Hussein is responsible for the crimes he committed, not us.
BebeII: You want to try rewriting that sentence so it makes sense?
What part of it doesn't make sense?
Most of it is your sentence.
Do the bracketts help?
BebeII: [The Shah]
could easily have had killed but didn't. Why was that? Was it perhaps because he wasn't as evil or corrupt as some made him out to be?
[In that case, the Iranian regim/ruler who let in the US citizens who overthrew their country (putting the Shaw in power)]
, could easily have had killed but didn't. Why was that? Was it perhaps because he wasn't as evil or corrupt as some made him out to be?
And, how much are the citizens owed?
Kohemeini
Correction I quoted you correctly, like I did the first time.
What part of it doesn't make sense?
Most of it is your sentence.
Do the bracketts help?
BebeII: The Shah
could easily have had (Khomeni) killed but didn't. Why was that? Was it perhaps because he wasn't as evil or corrupt as some made him out to be?
[In that case, the Iranian regim/ruler who let in the US citizens who overthrew their country (putting the Shaw in power)]
, could easily have had killed but didn't. Why was that? Was it perhaps because he wasn't as evil or corrupt as some made him out to be?
And, how much are the citizens owed?
Correction I quoted you correctly, like I did the first time.
What part of it doesn't make sense?
Most of it is your sentence.
Do the bracketts help?
BebeII: The Shah
could easily have had (Khomeni) killed but didn't. Why was that? Was it perhaps because he wasn't as evil or corrupt as some made him out to be?
[In that case, the Iranian regim/ruler who let in the US citizens who overthrew their country (putting the Shaw in power)]
, could easily have had killed but didn't. Why was that? Was it perhaps because he wasn't as evil or corrupt as some made him out to be?
And, how much are the citizens owed?
It's not accpting what I type,
I had to try 10 times to put in the name Kohmeini, and it left out "them" again from the sentence.
...could easily have had killed {THEM}but didn't. Why was that? Was it perhaps because he wasn't as evil or corrupt as some made him out to be.
I previewed and added the words repeatedly before they would go in.
I had to try 10 times to put in the name Kohmeini, and it left out "them" again from the sentence.
...could easily have had killed {THEM}but didn't. Why was that? Was it perhaps because he wasn't as evil or corrupt as some made him out to be.
I previewed and added the words repeatedly before they would go in.
anonymous1: It's not accpting what I type,
I had to try 10 times to put in the name Kohmeini, and it left out "them" again from the sentence.
...could easily have had killed {THEM}but didn't. Why was that? Was it perhaps because he wasn't as evil or corrupt as some made him out to be.
I previewed and added the words repeatedly before they would go in.
I'm speaking of Khomeni, who could have been killed by the Shah's men when AK was living either in Iraq or France. My question is that if the Shah was sending his security people to silence the opposition why didn't he kill AK? As for your question "what do we owe these people"?, you'll have to be more specific.I had to try 10 times to put in the name Kohmeini, and it left out "them" again from the sentence.
...could easily have had killed {THEM}but didn't. Why was that? Was it perhaps because he wasn't as evil or corrupt as some made him out to be.
I previewed and added the words repeatedly before they would go in.
BebeII: I'm speaking of Khomeni, who could have been killed by the Shah's men when AK was living either in Iraq or France. My question is that if the Shah was sending his security people to silence the opposition why didn't he kill AK? As for your question "what do we owe these people"?, you'll have to be more specific.
If your point is that the Shaw wasn't so bad because he didn't kill the man who took over after he was deposed.
It can be used the opposite way too, the Shaw was allowed to live because his predecessor wasn't that bad.
I never said what do we owe these people.
What do the corporations owe them?
After their governments were overthrown and brutal puppets were put in place for the profit of oil corporations.
For example...the Taliban was supported by the U.S. for oil profits, while they were killing women in the streets over dress codes, or going to school, how much are the womens children owed?
anonymous1: If your point is that the Shaw wasn't so bad because he didn't kill the man who took over after he was deposed.
It can be used the opposite way too, the Shaw was allowed to live because his predecessor wasn't that bad.
I never said what do we owe these people.
What do the corporations owe them?
After their governments were overthrown and brutal puppets were put in place for the profit of oil corporations.
For example...the Taliban was supported by the U.S. for oil profits, while they were killing women in the streets over dress codes, or going to school, how much are the womens children owed?
--SIGH-- The Shah was given santuary in the U.S. which is why he wasn't killed. As for oil in Afghanistan, there is none-only long standing talk about running oil and natural gas pipelines through some part of the country. Obviously there is interest in seeing them built but as eveyone knows, and has known about it for YEARS, it's hardly a conspiracy as some moonbats suggest. IF WE were allowed to drill on our own coasts and Alaska there would probably be less interest in foreign areas to begin with.It can be used the opposite way too, the Shaw was allowed to live because his predecessor wasn't that bad.
I never said what do we owe these people.
What do the corporations owe them?
After their governments were overthrown and brutal puppets were put in place for the profit of oil corporations.
For example...the Taliban was supported by the U.S. for oil profits, while they were killing women in the streets over dress codes, or going to school, how much are the womens children owed?
BebeII: --SIGH-- The Western world were the ones who developed all of the infrastructure in oil producing countries on top of creating the machines which run on it. These ME regimes then wanted to nationalize the petroleum industries which the West created. Naturally, after sinking billions of dollars into oil production, refining and export, the western world was a little pissed at having it's investments stolen by them. This led in some cases to overthrow those countries leaders for no longer honoring oil leases. What we got was OPEC-a cartel or monopoly. There are many other owners of news stations and outlets than Rupert Murdoch and NO, he's not Jewish.
Again, see no sense in your post. Do you consider governments have no rights to control its own natural resouces. Tell me what really good did those companies for local people but for cretaing cheap labour force, and think how those companies got the right to control natural resources in the East and Africa. Remember colonization period, that was they way they got the areas for their business, for their exploatation nature of foreign country almost for free. Hey, read history more and do not just rely on your patriotic sense...
jetdevil2001: Again, see no sense in your post. Do you consider governments have no rights to control its own natural resouces. Tell me what really good did those companies for local people but for cretaing cheap labour force, and think how those companies got the right to control natural resources in the East and Africa. Remember colonization period, that was they way they got the areas for their business, for their exploatation nature of foreign country almost for free. Hey, read history more and do not just rely on your patriotic sense...
Whether or not you see sense in my posts reflects entirely on you. Try to remember that when these industries were created, they also brought jobs to local people who earned far more at those jobs. After having given rights to western oil companies, they were legally in error to renege on those contracts. OPEC is a cartel which meets to set prices beneficial only to them-a monopoly in other words, something we have laws against. Colonization is a different situation from official contracts. Perhaps you could stand to read more history.More Threads
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