Were we created by Religion or Evolution (123)
crotalus_p: By your logic I could also say the tooth fairy started it and there is equal validity to my statement
No we say science has proven the theory of evolution , the above statement you have made appears to show a lack of understanding in regard to science
No we say science has proven the theory of evolution , the above statement you have made appears to show a lack of understanding in regard to science
By your statements I could say that you do not consider that others have the right to their opinions..or their faith.
I could also say that you think you have the right to belittle and mock other peoples' opinions and their faith.
I could say both of those things..it doesn't mean they are true...but I could say them based on your statements.
wexlady41: By your statements I could say that you do not consider that others have the right to their opinions..or their faith.
I could also say that you think you have the right to belittle and mock other peoples' opinions and their faith.
I could say both of those things..it doesn't mean they are true...but I could say them based on your statements.
I could also say that you think you have the right to belittle and mock other peoples' opinions and their faith.
I could say both of those things..it doesn't mean they are true...but I could say them based on your statements.
wexlady41: By your statements I could say that you do not consider that others have the right to their opinions.
Just because I disagree with some ones opinion does not mean that I do not believe they have the right to have it 
wexlady41: .or their faith.
As above they are perfectly entitled to their faith , but they will not get respect if they are going to believe in some thing preposterous with out the slightest shred of evidence just because the call it religion crotalus_p: Just because I disagree with some ones opinion does not mean that I do not believe they have the right to have it As above they are perfectly entitled to their faith , but they will not get respect if they are going to believe in some thing preposterous with out the slightest shred of evidence just because the call it religion
Will not get respect from who? You?
They will get respect from me.
crotalus_p: Just because I disagree with some ones opinion does not mean that I do not believe they have the right to have it As above they are perfectly entitled to their faith , but they will not get respect if they are going to believe in some thing preposterous with out the slightest shred of evidence just because the call it religion
I never said i was a member of any organised religion , belief in god is called faith ,I asked a question which you and nobody else , even not professor hawkins could answer , there was nothing preposterous in my post, i can assure you I am no fool,from what you,ve said it is obvious that you are the one with no understanding of what you are talking about and are just prattling on here out of your nether region ,get a life for yourself,,,,,,,,,
stanley8m: I never said i was a member of any organised religion , belief in god is called faith ,I asked a question which you and nobody else , even not professor hawkins could answer , there was nothing preposterous in my post, i can assure you I am no fool,from what you,ve said it is obvious that you are the one with no understanding of what you are talking about and are just prattling on here out of your nether region ,get a life for yourself,,,,,,,,,
I only mentioned having a chat!
crotalus_p: They are I have read both cover to cover have you ????
Reading them and understanding them are 2 completely different concepts
stanley8m: I never said i was a member of any organised religion , belief in god is called faith ,I asked a question which you and nobody else , even not professor hawkins could answer , there was nothing preposterous in my post, i can assure you I am no fool,from what you,ve said it is obvious that you are the one with no understanding of what you are talking about and are just prattling on here out of your nether region ,get a life for yourself,,,,,,,,,
nitak: Reading them and understanding them are 2 completely different concepts
and you can not start to under stand them if you have not read either in the first place 
crotalus_p: You ask a lot of people and they will tell you their holy book is proof
it kill's people that is what it brings suffering to others that is whatthat ship sailed along time ago It is not unfair in the slightest to refer to the belief as such They are doing plenty of harm , and I as a decent human being will not sit quietly while some one try’s to pass off books filled with hatred as good examples of how one should live
it kill's people that is what it brings suffering to others that is whatthat ship sailed along time ago It is not unfair in the slightest to refer to the belief as such They are doing plenty of harm , and I as a decent human being will not sit quietly while some one try’s to pass off books filled with hatred as good examples of how one should live
again, ur not listening to what i was saying.. i agree that any forecful behaviour regarding religion is wrong.. i think anyone who is not doing that behaviour agress with that statment..
but my belief in god is nothing, nor ever will be, anything to do with anyone else's book or words... it is my own personal belief.
and havin a certain belief system does NOT kill everyone. granted, religious persicution is somethin i am more than aware of, throughout history and even today. but not everyone who believes in god is a religious nut.
u seem to be tarring all spiritual/religious people with the same brush. unfair.
thegimpygump: i agree that any forecful behaviour regarding religion is wrong.. i think anyone who is not doing that behaviour agress with that statment..
Define force full ??? Is passing a law forceful ??? thegimpygump:
and havin a certain belief system does NOT kill everyone. granted, religious persicution is somethin i am more than aware of, throughout history and even today. but not everyone who believes in god is a religious nut.
and havin a certain belief system does NOT kill everyone. granted, religious persicution is somethin i am more than aware of, throughout history and even today. but not everyone who believes in god is a religious nut.
You seem to think that some one has to fall into the nut category to be dangerous and inflict suffering on others “abstinence programs” “blocking stem cell research” ring any bells
thegimpygump: u seem to be tarring all spiritual/religious people with the same brush. unfair.
not quite but you have to remember the moderates demanding respect for their beliefs helps provide shelter and a security for the extremistsTheSecretPenguin:
The other is the most epic fairytale ever told....
The other is the most epic fairytale ever told....
Or taken out of context and mis-translated
thegimpygump: but the same could also be said from ur point of the argument, surely ur moderate behaviour could also provide shelter for anti-religious extremists....
The difference is that I don’t demand an automatic unquestioning respect for my views.thegimpygump: or in spite of god. ....
Excampel ??crotalus_p: The difference is that I don’t demand an automatic unquestioning respect for my views.
Excampel ??
Excampel ??
u dont have to respect mine or anyones beliefs.. in fact i think a lot of peoples beliefs are stupid, and so in the land of fairytales it's unreal. but i dont care what they believe, why they believe it, or on what basis. As long as they dont force me to try and believe it.
just live and let live. your obviously well read and you seem very intelligent, but without seeming to be cruel or nasty.. a learned man does not an open mind make. Live and let live man. believe what u want, but u are so argumentative and forceful in your opinions that it's actually very off-putting.
thegimpygump: u dont have to respect mine or anyones beliefs.. in fact i think a lot of peoples beliefs are stupid, and so in the land of fairytales it's unreal. but i dont care what they believe, why they believe it, or on what basis. As long as they dont force me to try and believe it.
just live and let live. your obviously well read and you seem very intelligent, but without seeming to be cruel or nasty.. a learned man does not an open mind make. Live and let live man. believe what u want, but u are so argumentative and forceful in your opinions that it's actually very off-putting.
just live and let live. your obviously well read and you seem very intelligent, but without seeming to be cruel or nasty.. a learned man does not an open mind make. Live and let live man. believe what u want, but u are so argumentative and forceful in your opinions that it's actually very off-putting.
does converting me to NSA apply???
thegimpygump: lol.. that was all completley tongue in cheek hun..
crotalus_p: They are I have read both cover to cover have you ????
I have no desire or wish to read let alone understand what many theologists have struggled with for years
Now what concerns me most is that ur conclusion of these books is that they are vile and preach hatred
If that is the case well then we have hundreds of millions of people (who live their lives by these books)out there full of hatred ..... or do they only preach hatred to a minority You c why im confused?
Now i myself was brought up on the teachings of the bible, i live my life as best i can and i treat people the way i wud like to be treated back , thats my philosophy
It certainly didnt instill hatred in me
nitak: I have no desire or wish to read let alone understand what many theologists have struggled with for years
Now what concerns me most is that ur conclusion of these books is that they are vile and preach hatred
If that is the case well then we have hundreds of millions of people (who live their lives by these books)out there full of hatred ..... or do they only preach hatred to a minority
You c why im confused?
Now i myself was brought up on the teachings of the bible, i live my life as best i can and i treat people the way i wud like to be treated back , thats my philosophy
It certainly didnt instill hatred in me
Most people tend to gloss over the hatred and when they say the live their lives by the bible what the really do is fallow certain parts of the bible and ignore the rest , if any one lived by the bible they would be in jailNow what concerns me most is that ur conclusion of these books is that they are vile and preach hatred
If that is the case well then we have hundreds of millions of people (who live their lives by these books)out there full of hatred ..... or do they only preach hatred to a minority
You c why im confused?
Now i myself was brought up on the teachings of the bible, i live my life as best i can and i treat people the way i wud like to be treated back , thats my philosophy
It certainly didnt instill hatred in me
crotalus_p: Most people tend to gloss over the hatred and when they say the live their lives by the bible what the really do is fallow certain parts of the bible and ignore the rest , if any one lived by the bible they would be in jail
Im afraid that isnt a reasonable argument Are you now saying that all these millions of people dont really live by the bible
can you enlighten me as to the bits you might think they live by?
And surely if you are conditioned to been taught hatred you cannot gloss that over because now we are getting into the realm of mental health
religion
Now i dont no 2 much about the bible , however wud ya be quote n the old testament? nitak: Now i dont no 2 much about the bible , however wud ya be quote n the old testament?
If your about to say the old testament is invalid your ruining into a wall jesus states multipull times that old testament law is to be fallowedcrotalus_p: If your about to say the old testament is invalid your ruining into a wall jesus states multipull times that old testament law is to be fallowed
Does it?
Is it? Then why the need to create a new testament? Some people here are quoting verses from the old testament in order to justify their negative misguided views on faith, laws and the punishment for breaking them were quiet severe in all civilisations in ancient times , at bible class in school we were taught that the old testament was a collection of stories handed down from generation to generation and a general history of the people of that region and every word in it is not meant to be taken literally, The bible is not there to be read end to end like a twopenny novel its to be browsed through at leisure and hundreds of millions in fact probably billions of people have found it to be an always there when you need it source of advice, help and comfort over the years,
stanley8m: Some people here are quoting verses from the old testament in order to justify their negative misguided views on faith, laws and the punishment for breaking them were quiet severe in all civilisations in ancient times , at bible class in school we were taught that the old testament was a collection of stories handed down from generation to generation and a general history of the people of that region and every word in it is not meant to be taken literally, The bible is not there to be read end to end like a twopenny novel its to be browsed through at leisure and hundreds of millions in fact probably billions of people have found it to be an always there when you need it source of advice, help and comfort over the years,
I have always favoured thinking for my self as apposed to letting others do it for mestanley8m:
The moral of my post is that its good to form an opinion of your own but its better to listen to those who have studied the subject, in the case of biblical knowledge someone who has spent years studying theology and scripture just maybe might know more about the bible than a bloke who recently bought a cheapo copy in easons,,
The moral of my post is that its good to form an opinion of your own but its better to listen to those who have studied the subject, in the case of biblical knowledge someone who has spent years studying theology and scripture just maybe might know more about the bible than a bloke who recently bought a cheapo copy in easons,,
No it's good to listen to those who have studied the subject but its better to form an opinion of your own
crotalus_p: No it's good to listen to those who have studied the subject but its better to form an opinion of your own
thats what i was always taught alright
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No we say science has proven the theory of evolution , the above statement you have made appears to show a lack of understanding in regard to science