Why is U.S. still in Middle East Wars? (17)
BlainX: We have a President that really hates wars and concerned about the US's reputation and here we are still involved in two wars?
Personally I think the war in Iraq was basically a way for us to apply pressure on Iran. Had the war in Iraq gone as planned, we would have had a secure and effective route into Iran. Things just did not go as planned. Bush would have been hailed a hero had Iraq been toppled in the 2 months that was proposed by the military. In the years leading up to before 9/11, it was a popular idea that we should go back into Iraq, to "finish" the job. Again , things did not go as planned.
Iran would have had no choice but to go to the diplomacy route(concerning their nuclear program) had we successfully controlled Iraq. We would have been able to attack from the north & from the south and eastern flanks, had Iraq fallen quietly. ImaNutJob would have had no choice but to either face a severe military attack, or drop the nuclear program...But alas, things did not go according to plan.
This is where I think Bush is responsible for the operations in Iraq. He did not have a plan B. Everyone knows, especially in military leadership, that you always need a plan B , because when you don't have a plan B, plan A always fails. Noone knew what to do once the insurgency was in its infancy except to declare victory and hope it went away. Again, things did not go according to plan.
Do I approve of the war in Iraq & Afghanistan? Yep, I do. I'd rather fight the terrorists over there in the desert instead of on the streets of America like countries like Israel are forced to do at times. Do I think it's worth american boys to die for? Yep, I sure do. As someone that was in the military, every soldier knows that when they sign that dotted line, they are potentially going to die for their country. War sucks and the brutality of it is horrible & horrendous, but sometimes a dead soldier is worth it instead of 100 dead civilians at home. It sounds cold & callous, but in the end, every soldier knows that he may have to potentially give his life in defense of his country. We have yet to suffer a successful terror attack since 9/11 and I'd like to think that alot of that has to do with the fact that our men & women in uniform are keeping the barbarians at the gate.
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JSuburbia: Personally I think the war in Iraq was basically a way for us to apply pressure on Iran. Had the war in Iraq gone as planned, we would have had a secure and effective route into Iran. Things just did not go as planned. Bush would have been hailed a hero had Iraq been toppled in the 2 months that was proposed by the military. In the years leading up to before 9/11, it was a popular idea that we should go back into Iraq, to "finish" the job. Again , things did not go as planned.
Iran would have had no choice but to go to the diplomacy route(concerning their nuclear program) had we successfully controlled Iraq. We would have been able to attack from the north & from the south and eastern flanks, had Iraq fallen quietly. ImaNutJob would have had no choice but to either face a severe military attack, or drop the nuclear program...But alas, things did not go according to plan.
This is where I think Bush is responsible for the operations in Iraq. He did not have a plan B. Everyone knows, especially in military leadership, that you always need a plan B , because when you don't have a plan B, plan A always fails. Noone knew what to do once the insurgency was in its infancy except to declare victory and hope it went away. Again, things did not go according to plan.
Do I approve of the war in Iraq & Afghanistan? Yep, I do. I'd rather fight the terrorists over there in the desert instead of on the streets of America like countries like Israel are forced to do at times. Do I think it's worth american boys to die for? Yep, I sure do. As someone that was in the military, every soldier knows that when they sign that dotted line, they are potentially going to die for their country. War sucks and the brutality of it is horrible & horrendous, but sometimes a dead soldier is worth it instead of 100 dead civilians at home. It sounds cold & callous, but in the end, every soldier knows that he may have to potentially give his life in defense of his country. We have yet to suffer a successful terror attack since 9/11 and I'd like to think that alot of that has to do with the fact that our men & women in uniform are keeping the barbarians at the gate.
We invaded Iraq on a trumped up lie by W which will haunt his legacy long after he's dead and buried. The same goes for everybody associated with this lie, Blair, Ashcroft, Chaney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rove, and Powell.Iran would have had no choice but to go to the diplomacy route(concerning their nuclear program) had we successfully controlled Iraq. We would have been able to attack from the north & from the south and eastern flanks, had Iraq fallen quietly. ImaNutJob would have had no choice but to either face a severe military attack, or drop the nuclear program...But alas, things did not go according to plan.
This is where I think Bush is responsible for the operations in Iraq. He did not have a plan B. Everyone knows, especially in military leadership, that you always need a plan B , because when you don't have a plan B, plan A always fails. Noone knew what to do once the insurgency was in its infancy except to declare victory and hope it went away. Again, things did not go according to plan.
Do I approve of the war in Iraq & Afghanistan? Yep, I do. I'd rather fight the terrorists over there in the desert instead of on the streets of America like countries like Israel are forced to do at times. Do I think it's worth american boys to die for? Yep, I sure do. As someone that was in the military, every soldier knows that when they sign that dotted line, they are potentially going to die for their country. War sucks and the brutality of it is horrible & horrendous, but sometimes a dead soldier is worth it instead of 100 dead civilians at home. It sounds cold & callous, but in the end, every soldier knows that he may have to potentially give his life in defense of his country. We have yet to suffer a successful terror attack since 9/11 and I'd like to think that alot of that has to do with the fact that our men & women in uniform are keeping the barbarians at the gate.
They told us the reconstruction costs would be paid for out of Iraqi oil. When there were no WMD's they changed the reason for the invasion from removing a nuclear threat to the west to regime change so the hunt for WMD's changed to a hunt for Saddam.
Saddam was captured and he was tried and convicted and hung. The regime was changed.....but to what? The "MISSION" was "ACCOMPLISHED" years ago yet we're still there. Before we invaded Iraq you could say there was only one "terrorist" in Iraq, Saddam Hussein. Now there are 1000's and our economy is in shambles. Way to go Bush League.
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ooby_dooby: We invaded Iraq on a trumped up lie by W which will haunt his legacy long after he's dead and buried. The same goes for everybody associated with this lie, Blair, Ashcroft, Chaney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rove, and Powell.
They told us the reconstruction costs would be paid for out of Iraqi oil. When there were no WMD's they changed the reason for the invasion from removing a nuclear threat to the west to regime change so the hunt for WMD's changed to a hunt for Saddam.
Saddam was captured and he was tried and convicted and hung. The regime was changed.....but to what? The "MISSION" was "ACCOMPLISHED" years ago yet we're still there. Before we invaded Iraq you could say there was only one "terrorist" in Iraq, Saddam Hussein. Now there are 1000's and our economy is in shambles. Way to go Bush League.
They told us the reconstruction costs would be paid for out of Iraqi oil. When there were no WMD's they changed the reason for the invasion from removing a nuclear threat to the west to regime change so the hunt for WMD's changed to a hunt for Saddam.
Saddam was captured and he was tried and convicted and hung. The regime was changed.....but to what? The "MISSION" was "ACCOMPLISHED" years ago yet we're still there. Before we invaded Iraq you could say there was only one "terrorist" in Iraq, Saddam Hussein. Now there are 1000's and our economy is in shambles. Way to go Bush League.
Don't forget the Democrats, including the Clintons agreed
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BlainX: We have a President that really hates wars and concerned about the US's reputation and here we are still involved in two wars?
Bombs don't kill people, explosions kill people.....
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Boban1: Bombs don't kill people, explosions kill people.....
Unless the bomb lands on them...
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I wonder could it be because the people who own the armaments companies etc also control the politicians 
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Boban1: Bombs don't kill people, explosions kill people.....
All this time and I finally realized you are highly intelligent.
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A revolutionary change may be dropping gummy bears instead of bombs....
It`s cheaper, so the war would last longer
It`s less devastating so they would stop after realizing that they can`t change anything ...
It`s cheaper, so the war would last longer
It`s less devastating so they would stop after realizing that they can`t change anything ...
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Boban1: A revolutionary change may be dropping gummy bears instead of bombs....
It`s cheaper, so the war would last longer
It`s less devastating so they would stop after realizing that they can`t change anything ...
It`s cheaper, so the war would last longer
It`s less devastating so they would stop after realizing that they can`t change anything ...
But then the US would get in trouble for all of our enemies being overweight.
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Boban1: A revolutionary change may be dropping gummy bears instead of bombs....
It`s cheaper, so the war would last longer
It`s less devastating so they would stop after realizing that they can`t change anything ...
It`s cheaper, so the war would last longer
It`s less devastating so they would stop after realizing that they can`t change anything ...
I wonder if all that sugar would contain phosphorus explosions... you may have something there Boban 
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trish123: I wonder if all that sugar would contain (subdue) phosphorus explosions... you may have something there Boban
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ooby_dooby: Of course they agreed, everybody agreed until they learned it was all a big lie they were fed. It was a world class con job.
Not to mention, you were considered and labled "unpatriotic" if you didn't agree with the war strategy of the President at the time. Hell they attacked people if they weren't wearing an american flag lapel pin at the time.
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It's all about politics.
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ooby_dooby: We invaded Iraq on a trumped up lie by W which will haunt his legacy long after he's dead and buried. The same goes for everybody associated with this lie, Blair, Ashcroft, Chaney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rove, and Powell.
Strange. The UNSC vainly convened for over a decade trying to get Iraq to comply with the various ceasefire conditions they had signed onto which ranged from advancing human rights in Iraq, war and environmental reparations to submitting to an inspection process to prove they had destroyed their WMDs. They further authorized the US to take whatever actions deemed necessary to ensure Iraq complied with all the conditions, not just the WMD portion.
“The stated policy of the United States is regime change,” Bush said at the White House. “However, if were to meet all the conditions of the United Nations, the conditions that I have described very clearly in terms that everybody can understand, that in itself will signal the regime has changed.”
UNSC resolution 1441 afforded Iraq one final opportunity to prove they had rid themselves of WMDs or, at least submit immediately and unconditionally to the inspection process to verify they had. They did not and, Hans Blix proved that Iraq was in material breech during his March 7 2003 briefing to the council.
The US then moved to remove the Iraq regime from power as this was the US state policy towards Iraq since the Clinton era.
The 2002 NIE which was given an enthusiastic thumbs up by Tenant as being the most accurate documentation available was used by the UNSC and international leaders alike to make their determinations by. If this is the information one has then to agree with it is not lying but rather agreeing with a CIA document which is supposedly the best intelligence available.
ooby_dooby: They told us the reconstruction costs would be paid for out of Iraqi oil.
I imagine they will once Iraq is on it's feet.
ooby_dooby: When there were no WMD's they changed the reason for the invasion from removing a nuclear threat to the west to regime change so the hunt for WMD's changed to a hunt for Saddam.
US policy to Iraq since Clinton era was always regime change.
ooby_dooby: Saddam was captured and he was tried and convicted and hung. The regime was changed.....but to what? The "MISSION" was "ACCOMPLISHED" years ago yet we're still there.
If you recall, the speech Bush gave was the 'end of major combat operations.'
ooby_dooby: Before we invaded Iraq you could say there was only one "terrorist" in Iraq, Saddam Hussein. Now there are 1000's and our economy is in shambles. Way to go Bush League.
You could say that but you would be wrong. Al Qaeda was permitted to enter and leave with his permission and, he supported terrorism in Hamas and such. As for thousands, sectarian violence was always there but not as pronounced as Saddam was fairly brutal in his limiting of freedom to move.
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You didn't seem to mention Bill and Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Al Gore, even the president of Russia and many many more. Bush made the choice to go to war, but the proof was brought to him by many resorces. Also Bill Clinton tried to go to war with Iraq but couldn't get any support, so even he bombed Iraq for three days based on the same evidence Bush had to work with.
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flyingfish1959: You didn't seem to mention Bill and Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Al Gore, even the president of Russia and many many more. Bush made the choice to go to war, but the proof was brought to him by many resorces. Also Bill Clinton tried to go to war with Iraq but couldn't get any support, so even he bombed Iraq for three days based on the same evidence Bush had to work with.
Sorry my post was aimed at the post by JSuburbia
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