do you believe in jesus? (505)
Mann5in pujab state, India1 PostsHi, Mr i believe in god jesus, Jesus has changed my life upto 40yrs of my age , i live life in turmoil, sadness , in poverty, in low self esteem, resentments, fear, now am living good happy joyous and free life THANKS
My my my, just look at all this fun I am not having. I will pray for more freetime to come and play with all my friends...
TRISH123!!!
How is my most beautiful athiest lady? I hope you are doing well. From the look at some of your posts, you seem to be doing good. I love the "we are the athiest, who don't believe in anything" banter. It's so great to hear it again. School has been kicking my butt, but I am hoping that my new status of being unemployed will help free me some time to come in here more often.
I hope you have been missing me. I have been reading and learning. I finally finished the God Delusion. Some of it made me mad, some of it made me laugh, but I am glad I did. Mr. Dawkins is a smart one. I am also in the middle of reading "I don't have enough faith to be an athiest" by Norman L. Geisler and Frank Turek, and "The Reason for God" by Timothy Keller. Good stuff and I can't wait to share with you guys.
I heard a good quote the other day, so I will leave you for now with it...
"If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning."
C. S. Lewis
Just because I know this will bring out the C.S.Lewis bashers, I am going to quote him again (darn this citing your sources principal... you're either condemned for non-disclosure or you're beaten over the head with ridiculous attacks on your references)...
"The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us."
C.S. Lewis
See you soon!
TRISH123!!!
How is my most beautiful athiest lady? I hope you are doing well. From the look at some of your posts, you seem to be doing good. I love the "we are the athiest, who don't believe in anything" banter. It's so great to hear it again. School has been kicking my butt, but I am hoping that my new status of being unemployed will help free me some time to come in here more often.
I hope you have been missing me. I have been reading and learning. I finally finished the God Delusion. Some of it made me mad, some of it made me laugh, but I am glad I did. Mr. Dawkins is a smart one. I am also in the middle of reading "I don't have enough faith to be an athiest" by Norman L. Geisler and Frank Turek, and "The Reason for God" by Timothy Keller. Good stuff and I can't wait to share with you guys.
I heard a good quote the other day, so I will leave you for now with it...
"If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning."
C. S. Lewis
Just because I know this will bring out the C.S.Lewis bashers, I am going to quote him again (darn this citing your sources principal... you're either condemned for non-disclosure or you're beaten over the head with ridiculous attacks on your references)...
"The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us."
C.S. Lewis
See you soon!
It is not easy coming in here to see all the same arguments still going on. 13 pages, which about 250 posts, and only about 50 of them make a point or address the issue. What is the issue by the way? You yeah, do you believe in Jesus? I come here raring to go, ready to mix it up with some good conversation and debate over the topics presented here. But it doesn't take long before I realize that I been here before. Its like being excited about seeing my favorite show, only to find that this week is a re-run. 
I was hoping to use some of my newly aquired knowledge to scrap it out with some equally equiped adversary from the other side, but it just doesn't seem as fun as it used to be.
Me and my friends are starting a church. We are hoping (and praying) to do it right. We are going to keep our doctrine simple and pure so that Chrisitans from many denominations can come feel welcome. We are going out into the community to help the helpless, the widows, and the orphans. We are going to teach the people to live in a way that the world knows we follow Jesus, and that is because of the love we have for one another. I know it will be difficult, pretty much impossible, but this is where God comes in. If He is in this, we have a shot. I know many of the freethinkers (a contradiction in terms) will poo poo the idea, but we are not doing this for them. Just as God doesn't exist to satisfy the infinite pointless questions, like where did Cain get his wife, with answers accepted by everybody. We are doing this because it is what we feel God wants us to do. And if anyone is visiting Dallas, Texas, I hope you come visit.
Now, if anyone has a good point as to why they do not believe in Jesus, step forward now, and see if you can knock me out of my calm Christian disposition. I dare you to make me lose my cool. Let's get this thread restarted!
I was hoping to use some of my newly aquired knowledge to scrap it out with some equally equiped adversary from the other side, but it just doesn't seem as fun as it used to be.
Me and my friends are starting a church. We are hoping (and praying) to do it right. We are going to keep our doctrine simple and pure so that Chrisitans from many denominations can come feel welcome. We are going out into the community to help the helpless, the widows, and the orphans. We are going to teach the people to live in a way that the world knows we follow Jesus, and that is because of the love we have for one another. I know it will be difficult, pretty much impossible, but this is where God comes in. If He is in this, we have a shot. I know many of the freethinkers (a contradiction in terms) will poo poo the idea, but we are not doing this for them. Just as God doesn't exist to satisfy the infinite pointless questions, like where did Cain get his wife, with answers accepted by everybody. We are doing this because it is what we feel God wants us to do. And if anyone is visiting Dallas, Texas, I hope you come visit.
Now, if anyone has a good point as to why they do not believe in Jesus, step forward now, and see if you can knock me out of my calm Christian disposition. I dare you to make me lose my cool. Let's get this thread restarted!
I voted NO I am jewish and this would be a liitle awkward if I did!
But everybody has their own belives and this is ok :)
But everybody has their own belives and this is ok :)
do jews read the "old testement" part of the Bible that christians have?
I've wondered about this lately
I've wondered about this lately
enderbean719: do jews read the "old testement" part of the Bible that christians have?
I've wondered about this lately
I've wondered about this lately
we call it TORAH
If you like to learn more
marzena777: If you have never accepted Jesus Christ asyour personal Lord and Savior,you are encouraged to make this decision NOW as you prayer the fallowing prayer :LORD JESUS I INVITE INTO ,MY HEART ,FORGIVMI MY SINS I TURN AWAY FROM THEM AND I TURN TO YOU ....THANK YOU JESUS I AM BORN AGAIN ANDI0M YOUR CHILD. JESUS YOU ARE MY LORD AND SAVIOUR .AMEN read John3,15 King James Vers..
I have accepted Christ as my personal savior, I have many Jewish and Muslim friends and thats the one topic we steer clear of, it makes for better friendships.Ones Faith is something that imo should be a personal/ private relationship between you and the higher power.
Laurieanns
laurieanns: I have accepted Christ as my personal savior, I have many Jewish and Muslim friends and thats the one topic we steer clear of, it makes for better friendships.
Ones Faith is something that imo should be a personal/ private relationship between you and the higher power.
Laurieanns
Ones Faith is something that imo should be a personal/ private relationship between you and the higher power.
Laurieanns
laurieanns: I have accepted Christ as my personal savior, I have many Jewish and Muslim friends and thats the one topic we steer clear of, it makes for better friendships.
Ones Faith is something that imo should be a personal/ private relationship between you and the higher power.
Laurieanns
Ones Faith is something that imo should be a personal/ private relationship between you and the higher power.
Laurieanns
yep
I won't push mine on anyone and I appreciate them treating me the same. My beliefs work for me, although they might be different than other peoples.
I respect all who believe and those that don't. it's personal
Dreamyone: yep
I won't push mine on anyone and I appreciate them treating me the same. My beliefs work for me, although they might be different than other peoples.
I respect all who believe and those that don't. it's personal
I won't push mine on anyone and I appreciate them treating me the same. My beliefs work for me, although they might be different than other peoples.
I respect all who believe and those that don't. it's personal
MikeHD: It is not easy coming in here to see all the same arguments still going on. 13 pages, which about 250 posts, and only about 50 of them make a point or address the issue. What is the issue by the way? You yeah, do you believe in Jesus? I come here raring to go, ready to mix it up with some good conversation and debate over the topics presented here. But it doesn't take long before I realize that I been here before. Its like being excited about seeing my favorite show, only to find that this week is a re-run.
I was hoping to use some of my newly aquired knowledge to scrap it out with some equally equiped adversary from the other side, but it just doesn't seem as fun as it used to be.
Me and my friends are starting a church. We are hoping (and praying) to do it right. We are going to keep our doctrine simple and pure so that Chrisitans from many denominations can come feel welcome. We are going out into the community to help the helpless, the widows, and the orphans. We are going to teach the people to live in a way that the world knows we follow Jesus, and that is because of the love we have for one another. I know it will be difficult, pretty much impossible, but this is where God comes in. If He is in this, we have a shot. I know many of the freethinkers (a contradiction in terms) will poo poo the idea, but we are not doing this for them. Just as God doesn't exist to satisfy the infinite pointless questions, like where did Cain get his wife, with answers accepted by everybody. We are doing this because it is what we feel God wants us to do. And if anyone is visiting Dallas, Texas, I hope you come visit.
Now, if anyone has a good point as to why they do not believe in Jesus, step forward now, and see if you can knock me out of my calm Christian disposition. I dare you to make me lose my cool. Let's get this thread restarted!
I was hoping to use some of my newly aquired knowledge to scrap it out with some equally equiped adversary from the other side, but it just doesn't seem as fun as it used to be.
Me and my friends are starting a church. We are hoping (and praying) to do it right. We are going to keep our doctrine simple and pure so that Chrisitans from many denominations can come feel welcome. We are going out into the community to help the helpless, the widows, and the orphans. We are going to teach the people to live in a way that the world knows we follow Jesus, and that is because of the love we have for one another. I know it will be difficult, pretty much impossible, but this is where God comes in. If He is in this, we have a shot. I know many of the freethinkers (a contradiction in terms) will poo poo the idea, but we are not doing this for them. Just as God doesn't exist to satisfy the infinite pointless questions, like where did Cain get his wife, with answers accepted by everybody. We are doing this because it is what we feel God wants us to do. And if anyone is visiting Dallas, Texas, I hope you come visit.
Now, if anyone has a good point as to why they do not believe in Jesus, step forward now, and see if you can knock me out of my calm Christian disposition. I dare you to make me lose my cool. Let's get this thread restarted!
erm, just believe what you want to believe.
dont force it on others ok
Ocee35: Yup, he built my hot-rod.
Dinga ding dang my danga long ling long!!!!!
Dinga ding dang my danga long ling long!!!!!
saw these guys live. loudest band ever.
al jourgenson
emmaline: saw these guys live. loudest band ever.
al jourgenson
al jourgenson
Jesus built my car
It was a love affair
Mainly Jesus and my Hot rod
I believe Jesus walked the earth and possibly he did do many of the things as written. Not a believer of organized religion, but I would like to sit down and have a beer with him someday.
Jihadmeathello: Jesus built my car
It was a love affair
Mainly Jesus and my Hot rod
It was a love affair
Mainly Jesus and my Hot rod
all of a sudden i found myself in love with the world,
the only thing left to do was.....
Medsummer: I believe Jesus walked the earth and possibly he did do many of the things as written. Not a believer of organized religion, but I would like to sit down and have a beer with him someday.
Agreed, if I had to make an assessment, I would guess he was a great and influential man that preached love and peace and stood up for his message against great odds. Very much similar to Gandhi. I would also hypothesize that due to the dates the books of the new testament were written and the culture of the area of that time and due to similarities of pagan religions and the story of Jesus, that allot of the stories are conjecture that fit the environment as well as adaptation of old beliefs borrowed and reformed to fit into the story of Jesus.
And that is probably the biggest run on sentence I have ever written that I do not feel like fixing
emmaline: all of a sudden i found myself in love with the world,
the only thing left to do was.....
the only thing left to do was.....
Damn, I need to crack into some of my old stuff (course 90% of what I listen to is considered old now lol) , been awhile since I listened to them
Jihadmeathello: Damn, I need to crack into some of my old stuff (course 90% of what I listen to is considered old now lol) , been awhile since I listened to them
always like new world order. wake up wake up wake up....yeaaaah
emmaline: always like new world order. wake up wake up wake up....yeaaaah
So what?
A way to live your life if you choose to ...there are many other ways
written by a sufi muslim more then a 1000 years ago:
Oh threats of Hell and Hopes of Paradise!
One thing at least is certain - This Life flies;
One thing is certain and the rest is Lies -
The Flower that once has blown forever dies.
Omar Khayyam
Oh threats of Hell and Hopes of Paradise!
One thing at least is certain - This Life flies;
One thing is certain and the rest is Lies -
The Flower that once has blown forever dies.
Omar Khayyam
emmaline: all of a sudden i found myself in love with the world,
the only thing left to do was.....
the only thing left to do was.....
he was a persian,soe of his poetry was translated in english.
you are very welcome.I think this one was also a fitzgerald translation :
O cleric, we are more active than you,
even so drunk, we are more attentive than you,
You drink the blood of men,
we drink the blood of grapes,
Be fair, which one of us is more bloodthirsty?
O cleric, we are more active than you,
even so drunk, we are more attentive than you,
You drink the blood of men,
we drink the blood of grapes,
Be fair, which one of us is more bloodthirsty?
Jihadmeathello: Thanks
Looks like Fitzgerald was the guy to make that translation.
Looks like Fitzgerald was the guy to make that translation.
Well Doo doo...
Lets see what we can do to stir some things up around here. :head banger:
Before I start, I have to address how amusing the whole "Why do Christians want to shove Christianity down our throats" issue.
I mean really?
Is that even possible? How is my expressing what I believe, shoving it down your throat? I have to laugh. Because for you to be so offended, you have to go on a dating site, specifically pick a category titled “Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy”, you then have to go to a poll titled “do you believe in Jesus?”, and then you have to deliberately read a post that rubs you the wrong way. How dare those people post something about believing in Jesus in a thread like this! People sure do work hard to get themselves into a position to be offended. LOL
Well, far be it for me to disappoint you. If you have come to be offended, then allow me to appease you.
"I'd like to ask God why He lets poverty and injustice exist, why there are so many orphans and why He does nothing about it...but I am afraid He will ask me the same question."
"There are those, of course, who deny that they need any form of authority. They are the popular atheists and agnostics. Such men say that they must be shown by 'reason' whatever they are to accept as true. But the great thinkers among non-Christian men have taken no such position. They know that they cannot cover the ...whole area of reality with their knowledge." - Cornelius Van Til
“My theory of evolution is that Darwin was adopted.” Steven Wright
“Atheism, I believe, becomes more popular when religious communities become more corrupt – and especially when their corruption includes violence. This occurred in the decades after the Thirty Years War in European history, and I think we’re entering a similar period today. When religion seems to produce violent or arrogant or hypocritical believers, many people decide it is more ethical not to believe.” Brian McLaren
“I don’t know anyone less Jesus-like than most Christians.” Bill Maher
“If he existed and chose to reveal it, God himself could clinch the argument, noisily, and unequivocally, in his favor.” Richard Dawkins
hmmmm...
Lets see what we can do to stir some things up around here. :head banger:
Before I start, I have to address how amusing the whole "Why do Christians want to shove Christianity down our throats" issue.
I mean really?
Is that even possible? How is my expressing what I believe, shoving it down your throat? I have to laugh. Because for you to be so offended, you have to go on a dating site, specifically pick a category titled “Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy”, you then have to go to a poll titled “do you believe in Jesus?”, and then you have to deliberately read a post that rubs you the wrong way. How dare those people post something about believing in Jesus in a thread like this! People sure do work hard to get themselves into a position to be offended. LOL
Well, far be it for me to disappoint you. If you have come to be offended, then allow me to appease you.
"I'd like to ask God why He lets poverty and injustice exist, why there are so many orphans and why He does nothing about it...but I am afraid He will ask me the same question."
"There are those, of course, who deny that they need any form of authority. They are the popular atheists and agnostics. Such men say that they must be shown by 'reason' whatever they are to accept as true. But the great thinkers among non-Christian men have taken no such position. They know that they cannot cover the ...whole area of reality with their knowledge." - Cornelius Van Til
“My theory of evolution is that Darwin was adopted.” Steven Wright
“Atheism, I believe, becomes more popular when religious communities become more corrupt – and especially when their corruption includes violence. This occurred in the decades after the Thirty Years War in European history, and I think we’re entering a similar period today. When religion seems to produce violent or arrogant or hypocritical believers, many people decide it is more ethical not to believe.” Brian McLaren
“I don’t know anyone less Jesus-like than most Christians.” Bill Maher
“If he existed and chose to reveal it, God himself could clinch the argument, noisily, and unequivocally, in his favor.” Richard Dawkins
hmmmm...Why do Christians like me do what we do?
"And Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." John 6:35
"Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me." John 8:42
"Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6
"And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature." Mark 16:15
If we really believe what we say we believe, what else would you expect us to do? LOL
It isn't easy to lay what you believe out there for everyone to take potshots at. It is so much easy to be the skeptic who reveals nothing. Who is safe from critique. Because they believe in nothing so they risk nothing. Pointing out the faults in others is alway easier than looking at yourself.
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.” Theodore Roosevelt
"And Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." John 6:35
"Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me." John 8:42
"Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6
"And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature." Mark 16:15
If we really believe what we say we believe, what else would you expect us to do? LOL
It isn't easy to lay what you believe out there for everyone to take potshots at. It is so much easy to be the skeptic who reveals nothing. Who is safe from critique. Because they believe in nothing so they risk nothing. Pointing out the faults in others is alway easier than looking at yourself.
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.” Theodore Roosevelt
MikeHD: Well Doo doo...
Lets see what we can do to stir some things up around here. :head banger:
Before I start, I have to address how amusing the whole "Why do Christians want to shove Christianity down our throats" issue.
I mean really?
Is that even possible? How is my expressing what I believe, shoving it down your throat? I have to laugh. Because for you to be so offended, you have to go on a dating site, specifically pick a category titled “Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy”, you then have to go to a poll titled “do you believe in Jesus?”, and then you have to deliberately read a post that rubs you the wrong way. How dare those people post something about believing in Jesus in a thread like this! People sure do work hard to get themselves into a position to be offended. LOL
Lets see what we can do to stir some things up around here. :head banger:
Before I start, I have to address how amusing the whole "Why do Christians want to shove Christianity down our throats" issue.
I mean really?
Is that even possible? How is my expressing what I believe, shoving it down your throat? I have to laugh. Because for you to be so offended, you have to go on a dating site, specifically pick a category titled “Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy”, you then have to go to a poll titled “do you believe in Jesus?”, and then you have to deliberately read a post that rubs you the wrong way. How dare those people post something about believing in Jesus in a thread like this! People sure do work hard to get themselves into a position to be offended. LOL
the question is do you believe in jesus. a simple yes or no answer, with perhaps your reasons either for against suffices.
the problem i have is one espews verse upon verse upon verse out of the bible with loud emboldened type, thats when it becomes you pushing your beliefs on us
In response to: Well, far be it for me to disappoint you. If you have come to be offended, then allow me to appease you.
"I'd like to ask God why He lets poverty and injustice exist, why there are so many orphans and why He does nothing about it...but I am afraid He will ask me the same question."
"There are those, of course, who deny that they need any form of authority. They are the popular atheists and agnostics. Such men say that they must be shown by 'reason' whatever they are to accept as true. But the great thinkers among non-Christian men have taken no such position. They know that they cannot cover the ...whole area of reality with their knowledge." - Cornelius Van Til
“My theory of evolution is that Darwin was adopted.” Steven Wright
“Atheism, I believe, becomes more popular when religious communities become more corrupt – and especially when their corruption includes violence. This occurred in the decades after the Thirty Years War in European history, and I think we’re entering a similar period today. When religion seems to produce violent or arrogant or hypocritical believers, many people decide it is more ethical not to believe.” Brian McLaren
“I don’t know anyone less Jesus-like than most Christians.” Bill Maher
“If he existed and chose to reveal it, God himself could clinch the argument, noisily, and unequivocally, in his favor.” Richard Dawkins hmmmm...
"I'd like to ask God why He lets poverty and injustice exist, why there are so many orphans and why He does nothing about it...but I am afraid He will ask me the same question."
"There are those, of course, who deny that they need any form of authority. They are the popular atheists and agnostics. Such men say that they must be shown by 'reason' whatever they are to accept as true. But the great thinkers among non-Christian men have taken no such position. They know that they cannot cover the ...whole area of reality with their knowledge." - Cornelius Van Til
“My theory of evolution is that Darwin was adopted.” Steven Wright
“Atheism, I believe, becomes more popular when religious communities become more corrupt – and especially when their corruption includes violence. This occurred in the decades after the Thirty Years War in European history, and I think we’re entering a similar period today. When religion seems to produce violent or arrogant or hypocritical believers, many people decide it is more ethical not to believe.” Brian McLaren
“I don’t know anyone less Jesus-like than most Christians.” Bill Maher
“If he existed and chose to reveal it, God himself could clinch the argument, noisily, and unequivocally, in his favor.” Richard Dawkins hmmmm...
hmmm, and you say your not pushing your religion on any of us
"Scripture describes God as a hidden God. You have to make an effort of faith to find Him. There are clues you can follow. And if that weren't so, if there were something more or less than clues, it's difficult for me to understand how we could really be free to make a choice about Him. If we had absolute proof instead of clues, then you could no more deny God than you could deny the sun. If we had no evidence at all, you could never get there. God gives us just enough evidence so that those who want Him can have Him."
many writings have be written -still are many are similar most are embellished
emmaline: the question is do you believe in jesus. a simple yes or no answer, with perhaps your reasons either for against suffices.
the problem i have is one espews verse upon verse upon verse out of the bible with loud emboldened type, thats when it becomes you pushing your beliefs on us
hmmm, and you say your not pushing your religion on any of us
the problem i have is one espews verse upon verse upon verse out of the bible with loud emboldened type, thats when it becomes you pushing your beliefs on us
hmmm, and you say your not pushing your religion on any of us
How am I violating you? Have a forced you to read this? Is someone with you, forcing you to read this?
Or did you just choose to read this and then get upset at your bad decision?
Or do you feel you have the right the read anything you want without having to put up with those which you do not agree? Do you think I should express myself in a place you could never find me? You certainly made the effort to seek me out tonight.
What about my right to not have to read about you disagreeing with me?
CuspofMagic: many writings have be written -still are many are similar most are embellished
Ummm...
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