do you believe in jesus? (505)

MikeHD: Now I know we all like hearing about stories that have many attributes of the gospels of Christianity. Atheist love to parade there pre-biblical characters around as proof of the bible being plagiarized. But I will not get into how, since this was God’s plan all along, other people on the planet might have got wind of it. Or how those other “legends” pale in comparison to how much detail we have from the bible. Instead, let’s look at what a lousy legend this Christianity is.

The "pre-counterfeiting" (which is the thought you are eluding to) is the "Plan" that the devil made previous Jesus/man/gods to confuse people. This is quite funny, since there were entire civilizations with belief systems in place before this thought was even put into words. You got this idea from St Jerome. Nice play, but Jerome also stated, "When we speak of Jesus we are not saying anything different than what you say about Zeus and the sons of Jupiter" {Paraphrased as I do not have my notes in front of me at the moment}

Other leaders have written that lying to the masses is a great means of control. I'll let you find them. Hint: there is an entire chapter in a boook by a church leader explaining the usefulness of lies in promoting the church.

Here's a few "fathers" of the church to consider.

Lactantius: "Among those who seek power and gain from religion, there will never be wanting an inclination to forge and lie for it."

Hermas: "O Lord, I never spoke a true word in my life, I have always affirmed a lie as truth to all men, and no man contradicted me; instead, they all gave credit to my works."

Gregory of Nazanzius wrote to St. Jerome: "A little jargon is all that is necessary to impose on the people. The less they comprehend, the more they admire."

Angustine of Hippo: "It is lawful, then, to him that discusses, disputes and preaches of things eternal, or to him that narrates of things temporal pertaining to religion or piety, to conceal at fitting times whatever seems fit to be concealed."

Eusebius wrote that he unscrupulously suppressed all that would be a disgrace to early Christianity.

THESE are the men who formed everything you are taught by clergy. They created the basis of all you dogma. Today's Christianity is the result of these admitted liars. Yet you give them credibility.

Paul admitted to being a liar in his own epistles. "To the jew I was a Jew..." to gain converts. Not to mention his contradictory stance against Jesus' teachings.

Your list of "historians" is meaningless as I have already shown.

To what I was saying previously about doing good for goodness sake. No, you aren't going to try to paint me as the trouble making atheist, are you? My point is that you do good why? Because it pleases god? Why not do good to be good? God should have no influence in good actions toward your fellow man.

you say you do good because you love god. Ok, than answer this, if you do evil, what happens? You get punished. You are being watched. You better behave. And yes, children do good because they know they will be punished. Not always, but a good majority of the time.

You have yet to present any historical evidence of the existence of Jesus Christ.

I will wait for some.



Have you ever wondered why Jesus’ disciples went to their deaths for a story they knew to be false? I know some would bring up the fact that other religions have their martyrs, but this was people who had firsthand knowledge as to truth of what they believed, not a believer that came along 100s of years later.

MikeHD: Not sure where you got this from, but I looking forward to seeing your source. I am sure we are going to get into a great game of “I’ll see your expert and raise you two.” LOL


Hmmm… I know you had a point here, but I am not sure what it was.

In response to: But even if the earliest texts only show Mark ending at verse 9, does that prove that there never ever existed a text older than that one that included all 16 chapters?

In response to: Funny thing about manuscripts, they just keep showing up. Strange thing those Dead Sea Scrolls. They proved the accuracy of younger manuscripts by over 98%. The Isaiah scrolls were 1000 years older previous manuscripts and still accurate!

SCatlyn: I knew you would say that re thread topic.... but if you really wanted to post it, you would twist it around to be "on topic".

You don't get a master's degree with such poor grammar, btw.
("i dont think neither"- that's called a double-negative)

SCatlyn: I knew you would say that re thread topic.... but if you really wanted to post it, you would twist it around to be "on topic".

You don't get a master's degree with such poor grammar, btw.
("i dont think neither"- that's called a double-negative)

In response to: MikeHD: Now I know we all like hearing about stories that have many attributes of the gospels of Christianity. Atheist love to parade there pre-biblical characters around as proof of the bible being plagiarized. But I will not get into how, since this was God’s plan all along, other people on the planet might have got wind of it. Or how those other “legends” pale in comparison to how much detail we have from the bible. Instead, let’s look at what a lousy legend this Christianity is.

In response to: Have you ever wondered why Jesus’ disciples went to their deaths for a story they knew to be false? I know some would bring up the fact that other religions have their martyrs, but this was people who had firsthand knowledge as to truth of what they believed, not a believer that came along 100s of years later.