cynicalorangeBristol or Dortmund, Somerset, England UK1,897 posts
Jesus as a person, maybe there is an element of truth in the story.
Jesus as the son of God, the immaculate conception, rising from the dead and all the other stuff, no way!
In my opinion, it's all just a crock of crap that has made it's way through the passage of time. I think of it as one of the modern type cults that actually succeeded in their brainwashing.
Those that believe, I have no problems with. Just don't try and get me to believe.
Happygolucky4u: I am not sure how much I believe in him. He has had a struggle since arriving here from Mexico. But he is one hard worker so we will see.
I started to doubt God long before I started to come across historical literature which casts doubt on the Jesus figure - theres a lot of info here for anybody who cares to look
ROMANS 10;9-13,That if shalt confess with thy monuth the LORD JESUS,and shalt believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from dead ,thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteouness, and with the mounth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture sais,Whosoever believethon him shall not be ashamed. For the is not diffrence between the Jew and the Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For w h o s e v e r shal call upon the name of the Lord SHAL BE SAVED,, ROMANS 10,9/13 KING JAMES vers.
AtwoZ: Jesus as a historical person,-yes... There are,if few,-non-biblical scripts mentioning Jesus,-so it surely is true....
Flavius Josephus for instance......
They dont even have the original manuscript for script in question, the earliest reference was from Eusebius some 250 years later which was a cross reference using interpolated phrases in the common Biblical manner.....
Even Christian scholars dont use Josephus any more and conveniently, without the originals I guess we will never know except that the practice of interpolation does follow a pattern much used in the times of using one untruth to prove another. In the days before references and plagiarism were recognised, anything went and that is exactly what has been handed down to us to believe as 'inerrent' - it is anything but.........
Jesus is everything, because he is love, so he is historical, alive, between us right now, miracle, a gift from GOD for humans and humanity, a great person with light quality, My pretty , my love, Jesus is my blood in me, Jesus is what was, is and will be, who can explain love ? so sure its very difficult talking about Jesus the great man, the son of GOD, love u all
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He had good PR.